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Should Catholics Attend the New Mass? - Part II of II - Episode 15 SSPX FAQ Videos

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sspx.org - As we examined in our previous video, “What is the Novus Ordo Missae?” The New Mass was created after Vatican II, under the influence of Fr. Annibale Bugnini and Pope Paul VI, both of … More
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michael newman mentioned this post in Voris and the SSPX: An unholy obsession.
Dr. John Smythe
@Gregory @Dr Stuart Reiss @micheal newman @Ben Martin

As promised, in this post we’re going to take a more detailed look at the Novus Ordorelative to the recent SSPX video (featuring Fr. Steven McDonald, SSPX) and Michael Voris reaction to it.

Before we begin, know this:

– First, it’s not possible to do justice to a topic such as this in a couple of videos and a handful of blog …
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Dr. John Smythe
@Gregory and @Dr Stuart Reiss and @michael newman and @Ben Martin - Here is the answer to your comments: www.churchmilitant.com/…/weapons-of-mass…

1/2 a decade and 180 degrees later...
Dr. John Smythe
@Gregory and @Dr Stuart Reiss - This video should be on here somewhere as the Harvesting the Fruits videos seem to be, if I remember correctly, but this is a direct link: harvestingthefruit.com/voris-and-the-s…
Dr. John Smythe
@Gregory and @Dr Stuart Reiss - How about Argentina officially recognizing the SSPX as Roman Catholic "as a juridical person and has been added to the Register of the Institutes of Consecrated Life in which are listed the Catholic orders and religious congregations present in Argentina."

This decision was made possible, among other formalities, by a letter from the archbishop of Buenos Aires,… More
Dr. John Smythe
@Gregory and Stuart - How can you explain Pope Francis publicly stating and putting in writing, "Brother Bishops have told me of their (SSPX) good faith and sacramental practice", if the Society is "heretical" and "schismatic", as you claim?

Maybe you two know better than the Pope...
Dr. John Smythe
Gregory, please give specific examples of any heresy or schism I have posted.
Gregory
Ben Martin, CowboyKen, and Dr. John Smythe, Your postings have publicly proclaimed far and wide that you belong to the class of heretics and schismatics who accept, or profess to accept, all Catholic doctrine, but will not acknowledge the supremacy of the Holy See; and the authority of the Second Vatican Council. Your object here has been not to spread the faith in its purity, but to satisfy … More
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CowboyKen
Sadly this gets "better and better" all the time ...

I note that someone had their posts edited by the moderators - after raging on and on in a ridiculous gloating session about another person commenting on here having their posts edited as some type of personal triumph.

Will this really be the end? I have a feeling his passive-aggressive personality sadly won't let him leave well enough alone … More
CowboyKen
@Dr. John Smythe - I noted you had asked a very specific question, exactly what the exact doctrines were that the SSPX were supposedly guilty of disobeying. Again, you did not get a response answering your questions but instead, a quote from Benedict XVI which does not directly address your question.

It stated, "Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical status in the Church is not, … More
Dr. John Smythe
@Ben Martin - To clarify, are you saying: "the popes of the Second Vatican Council, have not really been popes. Consequently, the See of Peter is not occupied. This is expressed in Latin by the formula sede vacante"?
Ben Martin
These V2 “popes” are not just bad sinning popes but enemies of Christ—big difference. Their mission is to pollute doctrine, water down Church teaching, open the door of hell for the faithful to jump in thinking they are doing the will of God. Look around you at state of the world and the faithful—it is rotten, you can tell by their fruits Christ said. V2 and V2 popes are all rotten!! To the core!… More
Dr. John Smythe
@Ben Martin - For the sake of clarity and accuracy, Socrates found that it is important to clarify and define the terms - otherwise people often use words and they have their own meaning for them, but it turns out the meanings between people differ. Hence the need for defining terms as the FIRST step in the Socratic Method.

I believe, please clarify and/or correct me, Ben, but you are talking … More
Dr. John Smythe
As much as I would like someone to "talk" (type) in a decent manner, it appears it is hard to do on here. Keyboard warrior seems about right...
Ben Martin
Dr--any abuse going on, it is you, towards God---lying and not defending Christ and using the Church teaching to defend and protect evil.
The Church lost all of England because of King Henry VIII annulment and the pope refusing to grant him on. But now Francis want to make the annulment process even faster and quicker and easier---like a McDonald drive thru window.

You ok with that ==you going … More
CowboyKen
Wow - a guy goes away from reading postings for a few days (it's called living in the real world) and the unbelievable "keyboard warrior" antics of Stu Reiss are almost laughable - if not rather scary. Looks like he's been sending abusive private messages to people he does not agree with (he sure didn't deny it and if you look at all the trash he's psychotically spilling, he would if he didn't!!!… More
Ben Martin
See Dr-- I proved my point, your all talk and no show---back up your "pope". You are not doing the will of God pretending these things do not exist
I am way more Catholic than you could imagine, I can actually back up my Faith--you can't. You stand with Modernist and Heretics and want to call them Holy Father--shameful. This is not God's will

I think Christ warned us about you and Gregory, the … More
Ben Martin
The Pope Francis Statement That Changed the Church on LGBT Issues

time.com/…/pope-francis-lg…

1. Pope Francis said that God doesn’t condemn LGBT individuals — Sept. 30, 2013

2. Pope Francis suggested the church could be open to civil unions — March 5, 2014

3. The Francis effect goes global — Summer of 2014

4. The Synod on the Family’s interim report affirmed the “gifts and qualities” of …
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Ben Martin
Not my words---but the worlds---pointing at your "Holy Father" that you cannot defend your own "Pope" that your member too===sound fishy and not very Catholic--like a Cult maybe
Ben Martin
The Vatican is in damage-control mode after the Pope sent his blessings to a same-sex family

finance.yahoo.com/news/vatican-damage-…

Pardi also sent the Pope a package of children’s books about untraditional families from her publishing house, Lo Stampatello (link in Italian). Why do you have two moms?, as well as two of Pardi’s other books, have been banned from Venice’s Kindergarten … More
Ben Martin
So in the 1930's there were around 10 annulments granted worldwide. Then in the 60's that number rose to 300 or so. Today it is over 60,000 per year and that is not "merciful". A little clue here, there was a recent they were slow and deliberate it was a major deal. It is truly a site to behold to watch this guy finalize the destruction of the visible "physical" church with such ease.
Papal Motu… More
Ben Martin
Come weaklings defend your "Holy Father" with the Standard of the Church and Christ---can not do it can you---only in name and uniform and then use the real teachings so they are adulterate for a man that is a Modernist-- that is love of Christ. Can't do it --so hide behind the very teaching that will bring you to Hell unless you repent.

Looks like you got what Christ said--the enemies of Christ… More
Dr. John Smythe
@Dr Stuart Reiss Reiss - so just sending people private messages on here with the sole content of, "Your [sic] an idiot!" but now you are threatening physical violence? (" a good smack in the face")
Gregory
Dr Stuart Reiss, With the press of a key the moderator seems to have edited the parts of Ben Martin’s comments that reviled the Holy Father and the Church, while leaving the sneers and sarcasm; poisoned words were the means of driving Eve out of paradise!

IN DOMINO
Gregory
Ben Martin, It is my great privilege to belong to the Holy Catholic Church; for She is the Bride of Christ; and the Pope is the rock on which the Church rest (Matt.16:18); at present His Holiness Pope Francis.

Christo et Ecclesiae
Ben Martin
He is worth defending and sending your soul to hell over
Ben Martin
Pope Leo XII, Ubi Primum (# 14), May 5, 1824:

It is impossible for the most true God, who is Truth itself, the best, the wisest Provider, and the Rewarder of good men, to approve all sects who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory, and to confer eternal rewards on their members… by divine faith we hold one Lord, one faith, one baptism… This… More
Ben Martin
Gregory, are your telling Francis heresy is inspired by the Holy Ghost and a Vicar of Christ? Shameful and blasphemous!!
Come join the Church and not follow bunch of heretics--your in communion with them and one body with people that enemies of Christ.
Dr. John Smythe
@Dr Stuart Reiss Reiss - are you serious? "your rambling doesn't make sense. Please tell me what you want proof of? But can you please keep it a one liner? Or two max." And you call yourself a doctor?! If that is the case, may God have helped those who tried to come to you while you were still practicing if you could not actually understand what I have repeatedly asked. Here is the ONE line, … More
Gregory
Ben Martin, The Holy Father Pope Francis is called “Vicar of Christ”, He is the rock on which the Church rest (Matt. 16:18); and the Vatican Council declares that it is the will of Christ that till the end of the world there be successors to St. Peter; a hallmark of Catholicism.

As a Catholic I cannot take kindly and remain silent and unmoved by your sins against the Catholic faith; you are … More
Gregory
Dr. John Smythe, The Holy Catholic Church has clarified the matter, His Holiness John Paul II made the grave error of the SSPX well know, the Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI has published his clarification on the SSPX, and His Holiness Pope Francis pointed to his concern for reconciliation with SSPX just last week. The whole world seems to know what you cannot accept; that the SSPX are not members … More
Dr. John Smythe
@Gregory - You still have not stated one clear iota of how the SSPX disbelieves "a single doctrine" of the Catholic Church.

You repeat, like an automaton, "[the SSPX] refuses to accept the complete doctrine of the Catholic Church". I ask, repeatedly, "what doctrine(s)? Please tell me. Please tell the exact doctrines." Yet, you will not (I believe (in the essence of "I believe" in the Creed) … More
Gregory
Dr. John Smythe, At last, many fail to attain the Catholic faith through pride, self-will, and thinking it is attained by a method; faith is a gift of God; and anyone who willfully disbelieves even a single doctrine of the Catholic Church has no true faith, for he receives some of the words of Christ and rejects others.

We must take care not to confuse faith in the Catholic Church with opinion; … More
Dr. John Smythe
@Gregory - in order to dialogue, one must answer the questions that are asked. Not just avoid them.

If there is no answer, that then needs to change the position of the person asked the questions not answered - that is a key element of the Socratic Method.
Gregory
Dr. John Smythe, At some point one must stop asking questions and start listening; and as a final consideration, I would like to recommend the doctrine of Jesus Christ, which inspires the love of humility, and makes known to us the truth and mysteries of the Holy Catholic Church, a knowledge so essential for a praiseworthy dialogue concerning the doctrinal questions you raise between the Vatican … More
Dr. John Smythe
@Gregory and Stuart Reiss - are you saying you not only follow but approve of the neo-modernist and neo-Protestant tendencies in the 'Church of Nice'?

For you to use that as proof of your, still unproven (things remain unproven until actually proven, by the way) claims that would mean, by logic, that you approve of the various liturgical abuses (www.vatican.va/…/rc_con_ccdds_do…) that have … More
Dr. John Smythe
@Dr Stuart Reiss Reiss - is one of my "imaginary" attacks the PM's you sent me stating, in total, "You are an idiot!"?
Gregory
Dr. Stuart Reiss, Thank you for service to the Catholic Church, it is apparent to all that Dr. John Smythe and Cowboy Ken do not want to accept the Church’s present evaluation of the situation of the SSPX. There is no doubt and it cannot be denied that it rest with the SSPX, by the command of Christ, to come back into full communion with the Catholic Church.

Dr. John Smythe
@Dr Stuart Reiss Reiss - The questions are asked because no one has bothered to answer them. Why do you not give it a try and provide some evidence instead of just sending private messages that only state, "You're an idiot".

Especially after attempting to bemoan some type of imaginary attack against you (which were merely questions asking you to provide evidence for your implausible statements).… More
CowboyKen
@Gregory - you didn't answer any of his questions (again). You refer indirectly to them with vague references to not a thing specific.

"The questions you raise on the canonical status of the SSPX only ensure and prove the fact " - uhm, no a question does not prove anything. A question is a question.
Gregory
Dr. John Smythe, The questions you raise on the canonical status of the SSPX only ensure and prove the fact that the SSPX does not possess a canonical status in the Church. The SSPX has held strong to its reservations in the area of obedience to the doctrinal authority of the Pope and to the authority of the Second Vatican Council. This being so, the Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI said, “As long … More
Dr. John Smythe
What was left out (on purpose, I question?) of Gregory's statement was the following that Pope Francis stated, "From various quarters, several Brother Bishops have told me of their good faith and sacramental practice".

Very interesting. Especially as it refutes the outrageous and clearly unsupported claims against the Society that are thrown around on here by a few select individuals.

Pope Fran… More
Dr. John Smythe
@Gregory - I repeat the question, What Catholic doctrine does Bp. Fellay continue to reject?

(You claimed, "the SSPX, lacking canonical status, continue to reject Catholic doctrine and so do not exercise any ministry in the Catholic Church." - yet you provided NO evidence nor ANY examples of "doctrine" that are 'continually' "rejected" by the SSPX.) [if you make a claim that that can, and in … More
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Gregory
Yesterday, His Holiness Pope Francis, though his own disposition, established during the Holy Year of Mercy that those faithful who for various reasons approach “priest of the SSPX to celebrate the Sacrament of Reconciliation shall validly and licitly receive absolution of their sins,” and so we see and may remain confident in the goodwill that comes from the Vicar of Christ for the SSPX; and … More
Dr. John Smythe
@Gregory - what Catholic doctrine does Bp. Fellay continue to reject?
CowboyKen
@Gregory, do not forget the SSPX was established only through Vatican approval, so please do not pretend "these efforts go back to 1970". (Please see links below.)

As for efforts we must remember the Doctrinal Preamble that was to be signed by Bp. Fellay on behalf of the SSPX was approved - however, when Bp. Fellay went to the Vatican to sign it, the copy he was presented had been altered and … More
Caesar
What good is the Freemason Bugnini Anibal?
Gregory
Vicars of Christ, His Holiness John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Pope Francis have all exhausted many long and legal arguments to unite the SSPX with the Vicar of Christ. His Holiness Benedict XVI made it a priority, even having to deal with then Bishop Williamson; these efforts for unity with the SSPX go back to 1970; when Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre established the SSPX in Switzerland; talks have … More
CowboyKen
Oops, I meant to type "@Dr Reiss - it is clear you DO NOT understand what the Priest in the video is stating."

In the timeless phrase of Buddy Epson, "Whoa Doggies!" - this is getting good. I'm gonna get a bowl of popcorn and see how this turns out!

If I may quote a compadre of mine, "The phrase "duel of wits with an unarmed man" comes to mind."