Coronavirus Fact-Check #1: “Covid19 is having an unprecedented impact on ICUs”
The media claim this pandemic’s effect on hospitals around the world has never been seen before, but is that true?
This the first of a new on-going series of micro-articles tackling the prevailing, media-generated talking points of on Sars-Cov2 and Covid19.
Those of you who have spent any time debating or discussing the current coronavirus “pandemic” on social media will almost certainly have encountered an argument that goes something like this:
“Coronavirus is nothing like the flu, the seasonal flu doesn’t overwhelm health services like this.”
But is this true? We’ve done some research.
In 2018 hospitals all across the United States were full to capacity with flu patients. Alabama declared a state of emergency. Elective surgeries were cancelled, patients were turned away.
California hospitals were “war zones” where people were treated in hastily erected tents.
The same year ICUs in Milan were “totally overrun” with flu cases.
In December of 2019 the NHS had to implement “emergency temporary beds” in 52% of its hospitals to account for their regular “winter crisis”. Most of those hospitals still had temporary beds operating from the previous winter.
Last November experts were publishing reports warning that the NHS was under too much pressure to deal with the seasonal flu.
The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic turned out to be no worse than a bad flu season in the end, but nevertheless had a huge impact on hospitals across the United States.
[UPDATE 3/4/18 – Our readers have done their usual stellar job and sent in some great examples.]
In Spain, flu collapses hospitals almost every year.
In 2017 the Spanish-language Huffington Post site asked “Why does the flu mean collapse in Spanish hospitals?”.
In the 2017/18 flu season, hospitals all over the country were in a state of collapse.
Last March, hospitals were at over 200% patient capacity.
In 2015 patients were sleeping in corridors.
Even in January this year, before the coronavirus had impacted Europe, nurses were complaining that the flu season was stretching healthcare to breaking point.
A paper in the JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association) states that Lombardy’s ICUs “typically run at 85-90% capacity in the winter months”.
Going by just the last couple of years, the evidence suggests flu severely impacts health services quite frequently.
Raising the question: How does the current state of ICUs compare with these other recent crises? To which, we must remember, no one ever suggested the solution was destroying the economy and instituting a police state.
Are you aware of any other examples of recent health-care crises? Post them in the comments below, or drop us an email, and we’ll add them to our list. Likewise, if you have a common misconception on the coronavirus you’d like to see refuted, suggest it and we may include it in our series.
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My son was born in 1973 – I know, a long time ago. But I remember it clearly. It was the beginning of January.The hospital was so full because of people who were suffering from the seasonal flu that patients in beds lined the hallways of the hospital. I had to wait my turn to get a room – and it was with 2 other women who had just given birth. So clearly, that year the hospitals were overrun with flu cases, and staff was having a hard time keeping up with the cases. At no time do I recall that year being referred to as a “pandemic” of any sort – although they did resort to calling it a “flu epidemic” that year.
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Nice work , actually now everybody needs to clear their thoughts on this virus.
Hello,
Yes, in Canada : https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/02/13/toronto-hospital-flu/
Have a nice day
In reply to Mik W and HjS, David Icke mentioned in his interview on London Real that families of hospitalised elderly had written to him saying that the hospitals were trying to get older people to sign the DNR paper once they were in hospital. As family members could not get into the hospital they could not intervene. He mentioned one lady of 80, who had been hospitalised for an orthopaedic problem, but who had all her faculties about her and not sick with anything else was asked to sign such a paper which she refused to do.
The irony is that the lock down was supposed to have been implemented to protect the older people.
a friend of mine works in guy’s st thomas, where a large part of the COVID patients are kept in London. she works on a ward where the worst cases are kept, apart from those who are in ICU. she’s told me that roughly 95% of the patients there are ‘DNR’ Do Not Resuscitate – in other words these are patients that are in a stage of their life where they are considered not worth keeping alive, or better off dead.
To say “they are not worth keeping alive” is an unbelievable lie! This is fakenews! If you are that stupid not to understand the settings of “Triage” – shut up!
14.04.2020
Neutralizing antibody responses to SARS-CoV-2 in a COVID-19 recovered patient cohort and their implications
Authors measured antibodies in plasma collected from 175 COVID-19 recovered patients with mild symptoms. around 30% had very low levels of antibodies and 6% had no detectable antibodies at all, even 14 days after recovery.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047365v1.full.pdf
All of those examples are from countries where neoliberal models for public health are enacted. There is no level of spare capacity. But why did China have to mobilise its resources and be so stringent over this? https://youtu.be/UqdNbuPrkYc
What about NHS? Neoliberal or just insufficent because of “other reasons”?
My local hospital the Medway Maritime in Kent England was reported to be like a war zone on the highest alert level. Operations were cancelled and patients were not receiving adequate care. This was January 2019. The newspaper then said that conditions were even worse in 2018.
Interesting comparisons. I have posted several about the way different countries are responding to Wuhan Virus and their results and death rates. Now that bell curves are forming, we can see the length of time of the left side of the growth rate, which predicts the right side decline. There is a chart on Wattsupwiththat showing despite what actions countries take, they peak about the same time in terms of the growth rate of cases and deaths. So, here are some numbers of when a country first started climbing in case/death count and when they show a peak (currently) on a bell curve. Spain 3/10-4/2 23 days, lockdown/no masks Italy 3/7-3/28 21 days, lockdown/no masks Sweden 3/24-4/2 9 days, no lockdown/no masks S Korea 2/20-3/3 12 days, light lockdown/wear masks Hong Kong 3/17-3/29 12 days, light lockdown/wear masks Taiwan 3/14-3/23 9 days, no lockdown/wear masks US 3/22-4/4 13 days, lockdown/no… Read more »
Absolutely right, our bodies have evolved over millennia to deal with viruses, evidently the numbers show even the best health care in the world has negligible impact on the overall outcome.
Its all boils down to neo-liberal ideology and reliance on vaccines, liberals are control freaks, lets get back to respecting nature not corporate profit.
It’s the ‘Fort Detrick virus’, actually.
Dear Deplorable D
You would love Dr. Knut Wittkowski’s presentation of just that pattern & of what interrupts it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGC5sGdz4kg
Actually, it’s just the science surrounding these things – the Knut….. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK5sKNCSsX4
Is it true? Yes in all hot spots.
In the NYT: Coronavirus has pummeled a Brooklyn hospital, and its patients.
Yes, the NYT meta morphed in a Deep State megaphone the last decades, but can they fool New Yorkers about New York?
It may be relevant to the conversation about hospitalization, and all the other irregularities with the idea this is a special infectious disease, to become aware of what is happening, in the US, with “influenza-like illnesses” (ILI), the term of art for “flu”, a real cluster***k of a concept. Here is a link to the CDC website on the 2019-2020 “flu” season (Oct 1, 2019-Mar 28,2020) in the US: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm. flu illnesses: 39,000,000-55,000,000 flu hospitalizations: 400,000-730,000 flu deaths: 24,000-63,000 Followed by the following text: [begin quote] *Because influenza surveillance does not capture all cases of flu that occur in the U.S., CDC provides these estimated ranges to better reflect the larger burden of influenza. These estimates are calculated based on CDC’s weekly influenza surveillance data and are preliminary. **Influenza testing across the United States may be higher than normal at this time of year because of the COVID-19 pandemic. These… Read more »
The 10% fatality rate is obviously wrong – given the ~4% in Wuhan.
It would indicate that many more infections exist that have not been picked up and that the epidemic has been spreading for longer than admitted – and that would also explain why people who are dying of other factors ALSO have covid.
So any guess of what the genuine rate of infection may be?
Heres a clue
(70%??)
‘Confirmation came from the results of tests and swabs: out of 60 citizens of Castiglione D’Adda, one of the municipalities in the former red area of Lodi, 40 tested positive without knowing it.All asymptomatic, escaped official statistics: they came into contact with the disease, they did not develop it, but they produced antibodies, …
https://www.lastampa.it/topnews/primo-piano/2020/04/02/news/coronavirus-castiglione-d-adda-e-un-caso-di-studio-il-70-dei-donatori-di-sangue-e-positivo-1.38666481
The NHS in the UK has been in terrible shape due to real-term cuts to the system every single year since the conservative party took power. It has been systematically underfunded and sold to private interests – the theory, I assume, is when it finally collapses, it will be fully sold to the private healthcare industry and an insurance based system like the USA will be thrust onto the British public.
Having said that, here are is a bit more about the crisis and underfunding.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2019/12/five-reasons-why-nhs-winter-may-be-different
UK bed capacity at ‘over 90%’ all year round, according to this article from the Independent:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nhs-ae-gp-appointments-hospital-beds-winter-crisis-staff-a9348361.html
What about the ventilator shortage that is being reported in the media?
Its possible, that WRONG Ventilation KILLED and KILLS MORE, as it helps!
See for Example: https://medicaldialogues.in/critical-care/news/prone-position-improves-ventilation-in-severe-covid-19-patients-findswuhan-study-64202 & two VIDEOS from One INSIDE the Hospitals (USA/NYC): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9GYTc53r2o bzw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWaq8HoEROU
Below is my crude executive summary of responses from Hendrik Streek, a professor of virology during a recent podium discussion (German) on ZDF, an MSM channel. Streek led a team that conducted a house-to-house study on covid-19 infection pathways and infectiousness. The study examined symptoms, how people became infected, what medicines were taken, took saliva and blood samples, tested for presence of covid-19 on door handles, in the air, on toilet bowls, mobile phones, kitchen surfaces, etc. Findings Almost everyone reports loss of smell and taste that lasts a few days, severe enough to not be able to smell vinegar. Some partially lose hearing. No living viruses found on any surface, even in households with several infectious inhabitants. The only way we can spread covid-19 is face-to-face coughing, hugging, etc. Catching it from tins at the supermarket is almost impossible, unless infected people cough on the tins and someone else… Read more »
No living viruses found on any surface, even in households with several infectious inhabitants.
Viruses are not alive. Viruses can’t replicate on their own. Wikipedia says that viruses replicate inside cells. The alternative theory is that so called viruses are created by the cells themselves as a reaction to toxins or damage. (So viruses don’t really exist, not in the way they are traditionally portrayed.) Which also means you can’t “catch” a virus from somebody else. “No living viruses found” corroborates (again) the alternative theory.
The only way we can spread covid-19 is face-to-face coughing, hugging, etc</em
That is the assumption. That is what you have to assume if you believe the official story on viruses. Notice how they have to go to the extreme "face-to-face coughing" because it's so hard to prove infectiousness.
Perhaps I should have used the word “active” rather than “living”, but I do take your point, at least to the degree that there are so many unanswered questions around viruses. I watched a presentation by Andrew Kaufmann on exosomes which I found very compelling, so do have a big interest in determining its veracity and thus the veracity of the view you have. The documentary on HIV AIDS, House of Numbers, is equally compelling, but I lack the expertise to be certain one way or the other about all viruses being in fact exosomes.
Jim,
If I may, I would like to add the following comment:
They can’t prove that coronavirus or any of its alleged ‘mutations’ are indeed infectious or that it the virus is cause of COVID-19 because no scientist has ever claimed to have physically isolated it by the proper methods of ultrafiltration, ultracentrifugation and electron microscopy. If that’s the case, they cannot claim that an alleged virus is a cause of anything
Moreover, there is no original scientific paper that can conclusively demonstrate the existence of this alleged ‘pathogenic virus’ or that it causes COVID-19. No scientist has produced one – why?
See my other posts on other threads for virus isolation details and the erroneous methods being used that claim to detect viral antibodies etc.
Which raises the interesting question of whether you can really catch a virus from an animal or non-human creature.
If “”viruses” are created by the cells themselves as a reaction”
It is a Behavior that can be replicated by providing stimuli. (That’s why laughter is added to the soundtracks of comedies).
In this case, the question is what conditions are propitiating the syndrome? (Both the expectation and the reaction. Obviously, the expectation of it is already present – and in fact was planted in the public’s consciousness in a now very visible way by Bill Gates -a known and very influential con man- in 2015).
Lastly, there are also obviously very clear winners and losers (in terms of economics and political power), in the context of this scenario.
https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1244730196038647809
To the 4 nurses in Ireland who fought so hard for so many patients, but who themselves fell ill, and have now passed RIP
https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1244942663142563841
@HSELive doesn’t comment on individual cases to protect people’s privacy. However, when we become aware of fake news that causes distress to our staff and families we must act. Contrary to tweets sent yesterday – thankfully none of our nurses have died in Ireland from #COVID19.
Coronavirus: Italy’s COVID-19 situation is dire but a photo of coffins is not from the coronavirus pandemic
However, the photo is unrelated to COVID-19. It shows some of the coffins of migrants who died after a boat sank off the southern Italian island of Lampedusa in 2013.
Better article on this: https://www.boomlive.in/coronavirus-outbreak/dated-photo-showing-rows-of-coffins-shared-as-coronavirus-hit-italy-7306
In the south of Holland they had to move ICU corona patients first to the north and now to Germany, even-though they expanded capacity strongly : https://www.ad.nl/dossier-coronavirus/nu-1324-coronapaenshy-tienenshy-ten-op-intensive-care-stijging-van-51~ac3b50db/
Ab-normal.
Or here: Verder aangescherpte richtlijnen voor opname intensive care bij beddentekort
New Dutch ICU rule yesterday: “If there are not enough intensive care beds left, there may be a situation where no one at the IC is still being resuscitated. If the shortage of beds were to increase even more, people aged 70 years and older will no longer be admitted.”
Duh – it was about the NHS, stoopid! Not brexit brexit brexit for 3 years. US now has a quarter of all cases in total and rising. Field hospitals are not what civilians, of the richest countries in the world, should have to be facing. Think the lock down is a elaborate joke? Hey if there was some other ulterior motive – like a greatet disastet looming – then I’d say the world government is doing the right thing. For example the astronomers have found a big one heading our way… They want us all having our last days at home with our families …or something like that. Anyway it will be de riguer to be wearing masks in the future – I’m designing one with a mouth hole that allows quaffing of beer and smoking. I have it lined with a foldable led screen so i can project my… Read more »
da hole will not impede you to suck c*cks either.
OffG: If you have a common misconception on the coronavirus you’d like to see refuted, suggest it
Wearing masks ! It’s all like
“the other side is very irresponsible and stupid for saying they should be … / NOT be worn.”
Noteworthy :
This NP propaganda misrepresents 3 scientific articles, while being silent on the scientific work that found COVID19 is NOT spread by asymptomatic infected persons…
(https://twitter.com/denisrancourt/status/1246070568090288128)
I very much mistrust the mainstream media. But I am not sure I agree with this assessment. The author is basically noting that in some places the hospitals are already often at capacity during Influenza season (Lombardy Italy, Spain). They are also saying that in different years, at different locations (California, Alabama), flu cases create a surge in occupancy/strain capacity. This implies that some hospitals are full, and at certain times struggling to maintain adequate care is a challenge. This is well known, and hardly changes the current situation. A full hospital last year can still be even more overrun by COVID today. There are also readers in the comments who then go on to say that they’ve seen videos (or personally seen) hospital ICUs that are virtually “empty” and there is no evidence that the system is being overtaxed. Which is it? Are hospitals always full, even without COVID?… Read more »
One would certainly expect main hospitals to be fairly full most of the time, with continual arrivals and departures of patients and their relatives with or without ‘Covid19’.
It’s not OffG readers suggesting it; they are recounting what others claim to have observed and filmed in multiple locations.
If we are not being deceived, I wonder how you might explain the following footage from different locations and the reactions of staff confronted about the ‘visual’ anomalies. Not even routine patients visible, never mind Covid19 emergencies.
This footage was linked on the website of Swiss Propaganda Research.
Awesome video link, Judy!
I knew I’d seen that hospital ward before (In Italy)… Suddenly it’s in NYC… Abrakadabra!
There’s about 40 ‘deaf-ear’ people I know that I’ve sent that video to… Lets see if they also have ‘blind-eye’…
Thank you, and SPR…!
Unless you are claiming the flu has not routinely overwhelmed hospitals in years past, you are not disagreeing with this article, because that is the only point it is making.
The reports might be true to some degree, but not necessarily for the reasons given. Like you, I do not trust the MSM at all. So I try to crunch the numbers and see what I get: Population USA (today): 330,537,436 Population NYC (2018): 8,398,748 Number of US covid deaths (today): 6,786 Population of NYC as % of USA: 2.54% 2.54% of US deaths: 172.36 If two weeks since crisis started, ave. deaths per day in NYC: 12.31 (though this is averaged out, so hard to see how relevant this figure is) BUT: daily NYC deaths: 420 The numbers so far don’t suggest that morgues and crematoriums should be overwhelmed, even if we double the figure because NYC is a hotspot for the disease. And don’t forget, the people that die ‘with’ covod-19 are the elderly and sick, so won’t actually cause a blip in the average numbers. Full hospitals… Read more »
Well said CPR. Yes I massively distrust the MSM, but that doesn’t mean COVID is a conspiracy as some lunatics are claiming. It won’t change their minds until perhaps they collapse and can’t breathe.
That would depend on our definition of conspiracy. For me, conspiring is planning to do something in secret you know people won’t agree with, but is the right thing (somehow) to do despite that. Isn’t that how govt. works, a lot of the time? “We can’t handle the truth”, after all, and there’s the official secrets act, top-secret and above-top-secret classifications, and so on. The world runs on conspiring. For me, the mere fact that “conspiracy theory” is a pejorative is evidence of just how much conspiring goes on. It’s necessary. It’s how the world works. Now that doesn’t mean there are no “lunatics” claiming this or that wild theory is true. But there are also “lunatics” insisting highly feasible theories are not true. “Lunatics” can be slavishly attached to orthodox thinking, or slavishly attached to crazy thinking. That’s what “lunatics” of the type you imply, do, by definition. So… Read more »
There are open conspiracies galore. The conspiracy to oppose the use of hydroxychloroquine is one, based on BigPharma greed and MSM hatred of Trump. It’s like nearly all MSM conspiracies-no secret orders required. Just let it be known what the ‘powers-that-be’ require, and the robopaths fall into line, 100%, in ventriloqular Groupthink.
CPR, care to comment on the Italian hospital promoted as being a NY hospital in the video below ?
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/04/more-on-sars-cov-to-ace2-binding-and-true-covid-19-that-discredits-uk-governments-pretext-for-creating-economic-disaster/
“More On SARS-COV-ACE2 Binding & “True” Covid-19 That Discredits UK Government’s Pretext For Creating Economic Disaster”
“The germ is nothing; the terrain is everything”.
Louis Pasteur
There is a total lack of logic with those governments that are shutting down the country: The supporters of the “herd immunity” strategy (Sweden – without coercive measures) and those of the “curve flattening” strategy (USA, UK, F, D and other) agree that the number of infections with SARS-Cov-2 in both strategies will be exactly the same . The only difference is that – unlike the “herd immunity” strategy – the “curve flattening” strategy will result in not one, but several subsequent waves of infection (2?, 3?, 4?). There is also agreement that the number of Covid-19 deaths in both strategies will be exactly the same. Only(!) if hospital capacities are insufficient in a country will the herd immunity strategy this will result in more deaths because sick people who could have been saved in the hospital (respirators) can no longer get in there because of the overcrowding. Such a… Read more »
Let me add this: A few days ago the German minister of health declared that 45% of hospital beds are free and waiting for Covid-19 patients.
What a waste of free hospital beds!
Also with this “curve flattening” strategy we will have, let’s say, three waves of infections.
So when any one of these curves goes down (possibly very fast) we don’t have enough infected to fill the hospital beds.
So then the governments have to advice the opposite of “social distancing”. That is: Not to stay inside the house, to hug, to kiss, to shake hands and to go to bed with each other as often as possible. Also: Standing very, very close to each other at the cash register in the supermarket.
Ha ha remember the distancing should also reduce flu and common cold. The hospitals will be triple empty.
Some people are really nice. Whilst we know a lot of people who live in the road we live, and met many more in The Street Party we had a few years ago, a couple who we don’t know are posting a leaflet through every door in our road, offering help, and setting up an online community via telephone numbers, whatsapp, facebook to help keep us all alive – and deliver stuff.
My wife and I had already done the deliver stuff, to a friend who lives a few miles away, who’s 91 year old Dad, died earlier this week, and she is self isolating, because she thinks she has got it too.
So we haven’t given up yet, and I reckon, the same kind of thing is happenning all over the world.
We are not dead yet.
We have got a community.
Tony
If you haven’t seen this yet, it is possibly evidence that the USian official view of Covid19 is under pressure … likely because it is not yielding anything close to the predicted scary numbers. Also note where the 2.2 million deaths number came from (drum roll) Team Neil Ferguson!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/02/experts-trumps-advisers-doubt-white-houses-240000-coronavirus-deaths-estimate/
Anyone notice this opening from the linked 2018 LA Times article?
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Exactly the same symptoms of COVID19? But then just a boring and normal strain of influenza. Which raises the question, is anyone even testing for influenza anymore since a month ago?
Here is the US there are now many claims supported by free lance video evidence of no overcrowding of hospitals even in New York City. Also, the 2 US Navy hospital ships have had very few patients transferred to them in either LA or NYC. Can Off Guardian or someone else respond to this one way or the other.
It appears to me from numerous sources, that 1. Most Doctors GP’s surgeries have been closed and replaced by online diagnosis. 2. Most operations for even serious diseases such as cancer, have been rescheduled to October 3. On seeing videos taken, even from outside hospitals from various places across the world, I often see a photoshoot – for propaganda purposes, with for example emergency supplies of (I guess blood) of large numbers of motorcycles in unison. They together park outside the hospital, and large numbers of medical staff, from inside the hospital greet them, and they all clap. Meanwhile, there is no evidence of any actual patients, and maybe 1 if any ambulances. 4. I have seen the videos from inside the hospitals, taken by people, who just walked in, and it seems there is almost no one else there. In my view this does not represent real life now,… Read more »
Another open conspiracy-to use the plague as an excuse to further the drive to privatise the NHS.
In my neck of the woods it is perfectly possible to buy food online from many shops which deliver it to one’s door, and from farmers and organic produce associations who also deliver fresh vegetables to one’s door.
For anyone who hasn’t seen examples of the video evidence, this You Tube video is worth watching. This was a link provided on today’s Swiss Propaganda Research Covid19 report.
Incredible thanks for posting.
An extremely important video, thanks for posting.
In Germany, it seems resistance has started appearing in the mass media. I’ve translated most of the article, not because it contains shocking new information, but because it is clearly slanted against the political intention to keep the lockdown going (emphases in the original): “Focus Online Friday, 03.04.2020, 06:08 In the debate on an early end to social-distancing measures in the Corona crisis, Karl Lauterbach [the SPD’s health expert] said to the “Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger” he thought it “wrong and confusing” to be considering easing the restrictions so soon. “It would be a dangerous trivialisation of the situation”, said the politician and doctor. “If we were to ease the social-distancing measures too soon and the virus were again to spread rapidly, we would end up worse off than we are now.” Instead, we have to stick to these measures “until we’ve reduced the number of new infections to an absolute minimum… Read more »
Toby Russell.
I would merely change two words from above
” Lengthy Isolation generally leads, in My view, to severe damage to one’s health. “Brain functioning is most often seriously impaired, not only in older people, and dementia occurs far sooner.”
Tony
It’s not a direct quote though, Tony. In the original article, this passage uses a tense not present in English called Konjunktiv 1. It’s used primarily in journalism and means the words written are a claim by or the opinion of whoever spoke them, rather than a fact. A handy grammatical tool, in my view. 😉
Toby,
The point I was trying to make is that the cure is far worse than the disease. Solitary confinement is often referred to as torture, especially when it is imposed against one’s wishes, without any previous experience of it.
It’s very important to get out in the sunshine, and get some exercise, like digging the garden to grow some vegetables, which is what I am about to do. If I see a neighbour over the fence, we might even have a discussion.
Tony
I couldn’t agree more. But it would nevertheless be an incorrect translation of the article that way.
Enjoy the sun!
Time will tell. Reports from Hong Kong say that recovered patients sometimes have suffered loss of pulmonary function, which is only to be expected. And patients who undergo intubation are thereafter often not neurologically what they were before. The same is true of surgical operations, particularly if protracted, and heart-lung by-pass is very nassty, which is why they have worked, in recent times, on still beating hearts, and using arterial grafts, rather than venous.
On 21 March RT Francais led with an article about fears of 100,000 people dying in elderly care homes. I found an article from the Figaro of 21/01/2014 lamenting the deaths of 90,000 people in elderly care homes every year, which works out at 250 a day. RT don’t seem to know about that; they certainly didn’t mention it. So assuming RT is correct, and their worst-case scenario comes true, it means we have to shut down the whole country for the sake of ten thousand extra deaths among old people who, by RT’s own admission, have an average age of 85 and six chronic illnesses?
It wasn’t six chronic illnesses but eight!
It is RT France and not RT Français.
You seem to have an eugenicist attitude towards the elderly. That’s a very slippery slope.
You didn’t understand the point I was making. 90,000 people die every year in these places and nobody says a word.
Since the lockdown measures will lead to far greater suffering and death than covid-19, particularly amongst the less well-off., it is those who support those measures, who are, in effect the eugenicists.
Prove it.
You are questioning the fact that 6.6 million people newly unemployed in the US alone will cause a humanitarian catastrophe beyond the impact of a relatively mild virus that causes minor flu symptoms in the vast majority of people who become infected?
You clearly live a very sheltered life.
Time will tell, and no, I do not usually live a sheltered life, but now I am confined as I do not want to get the virus. My husband, who is in a nursing home specialized for Alzheimer’s, now has it and is dying, even though he was in excellent physical health, so stuff it.
Well said Vierotchka, and my thoughts are with you at this very difficult time.
I came to the conclusion quite a long time ago that political idealogues of both right and left are in fact callous sociopathic bastards. Some will get a perverted erection from hurting others.
Don’t let them hurt you more. Some nasty piece of excrement here may even say you are an establishment shill spreading fake news. Ignore the *unts.
I heard a few weeks ago that very high dose vitamin C given intravenously can rescue people from this, will try and find the link, think it was 12 grams two or three times a day. Apparently China is recommending it officially. Tell them to try it. Best wishes and good luck.
Anti-oxidants, as the virus seems to invade and destroy red-blood cells, releasing iron free radicals, that do the damage, particularly down among the alveoli. Two routes to hypoxia. [source requested -ed]
Since we’re in the realm of medicine, and particularly as these are sensitive times for alt. media, you won’t mind if I request a source for this assertion about the virus invading red-blood cells? Admin2
Why did you post the above video about the current testing procedures with Prof Kaufman (basically explaining that the tests are bogus and that the virus itself may not exist) and yet also completely buy into the whole ‘very scary and dange and highly contagious virus’ mindset? Completely nuts…
For dange read dangerous
The Coronavirus Act 2020 is our version of the Enabling Act 1933. Fascism has been sold again as the solution to a population first whipped into a panic by hysterical fear-mongering. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/04/coronavirus-fascism.html
Interesting twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/elleprovocateur/status/1245780895073816576
i.e. the cultivation of a new serf class to recall the superstitious peasants of the Middle Ages.
What is Covid-19 and if you don’t know what it is how can you test for it?
Can you deal with it?
Tom Barnett – You Cannot Catch a Virus – Corona Falacy
Google could not deal with it, original already removed.
https://honey.nine.com.au/latest/antivaxxer-video-coronavirus-ignore-social-distancing/ee934326-91a5-4411-acf1-e2ce39270acf
Tom Barnett’s channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyru4Y4KJ-kM4a51IA2oB_A/videos
Very clear explanations of how so much has been misjudged including poor quality of tests
What’s the take from this video?
If anyone starts offering me a vaccine for this ‘virus’ I’d decline.
It’s a very deep rabbit hole to go down………………..but it opens up the idea that you can’t catch a virus – it is a secretion of the bodies cells against toxins which may include RF radiation (5g). You asked.
This is bullshit
That’s as maybe – and your offering of science to the discussion is precisely………..
Agreed not least because YouTube send me a message recommending this video which is the reason I’d already seen it.
YouTube doesn’t send people messages recommending videos, doofus!
It sent me one ducky!
Pants on fire.
Dangerous bullshit too, by some arsehole who thinks he’s smarter than the collective knowledge of all the people around the world who study viruses.
I see a tag team forming hahaha………….
Frank his IQ test led to interrogation by the authorities. We should trust this man.
It’s a falsifiable theory I would like to see either confirmed or refuted, but “This is bullshit” isn’t enough. If you do have any information to back up your assertion, I would like to hear it.
https://www.publico.es/sociedad/colapso-urgencias-urgencias-hospitales-madrilenos-saturadas-campana-gripe.html
Venombag, What is the purpose of posting these links here, unless they are translated?
there is an english translation button, Maggie. i imagine VenomBag expects us to make use of it with their very informative links
Maggie,
I don’t know how to do this on a mobile phone, but I imagine it is much the same as on a PC. Google translate works reasonably well, but you first have to open a window – search for Google translate and then copy and paste the text into the Google Detect Language box.
You can also add an extension to eg Firefox, which makes the process easier and quicker. There are similar extensions to other browsers.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/to-google-translate/?src=featured
I’ve just tested this and it works, though there is a limit on the amount of text it will translate in one go.
Tony
Copying the url suffices.
2018
https://elpais.com/ccaa/2018/01/08/catalunya/1515439352_452732.html
2019
https://elpais.com/ccaa/2019/01/16/catalunya/1547643754_015186.html
More 2020 links (pre Covid)
https://elpais.com/ccaa/2020/02/05/madrid/1580903246_652477.html
January 2020, Spain
https://www.redaccionmedica.com/secciones/enfermeria/enfermeria-denuncia-saturacion-y-colapso-por-la-gripe-en-11-ccaa-1765
Comrades
Perhaps we/you could address this point that does seem to carry weight with many:
Some on the left use the cui bono argument in relation to C19: it must be a real threat because the damage done to the capitalist system – in terms of public loss of confidence/belief in it as much as anything else – far outweighs any benefits gained by the PTB.
They don’t appear convinced that hiding another financial crash and gaining unlimited coercive powers is benefit enough.
Thoughts?
There does seem to be a fundamental rift between the Left and, for lack of a better word, what I will call the skeptics. Both sides view it as a real virus and both realise that the ruling class will, as always, use it to further their own aims. But the Left “buy into” the mainstream media’s insistence that this is a deadly new strain and is therefore a real problem for everyone. And they see it as a threat to the capitalist system. Which of course gets them all excited. Cf. this from Jonathan Cook: https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2020-03-24/coronavirus-terrified-us/ Our leaders are terrified. Not of the virus – of us You can sense the ripples of excitement there, the relish of impending triumph. The skeptic case is far more unsettling. This case is that the virus is a seasonal flu variant which has been seized on with an astonishing air of relentless… Read more »
Yes, it’s not capitalism per se that the ruling classes require, it’s that they remain the ruling classes.
Jonathan Cook, and many others on the left, are engaged in a logical fallacy, in my opinion. They want to see capitalism as we know it brought to its knees, the ostensible pandemic is doing precisely that, therefore they assume it must be real. They’re evaluating its reality based on what they want to see ultimately happen (i.e. oligarchs and plutocrats toppled) instead of dispassionately weighing the evidence. Ironically, many people on the alt right do the same. They’re hyping this alleged pandemic to the skies because it confirms their pre-existing biases. They see to as confirmation that too much immigration is terrible (immigrants as disease vectors) and are busy peddling the “it’s all the Chinese’s fault” narrative. They see Covid19 ushering in a future of curtailed immigration, stopped illegal immigration, and a return to fierce nationalism and strong borders. Because both leftists and rightists have a certain endgame they… Read more »
“The Left have always emphasised that this scenario doesn’t make sense since it would – supposedly – wreck the capitalist system itself. But I have suggested here that this virus manoeuvre (virus as smoke screen) could be in the nature of a last resort. It will certainly damage capitalism but the ruling class are aware that there is a huge crash on the way anyway. And they are prepared to sacrifice small and medium businesses to save the whole system.” Yes, and there’s another fallacy implicit here. It’s the assumption that the elite is all one monolith. Many billionaires may indeed be mortified by the lockdown and the economic crash, they may indeed be opposed to these measures, but Big Pharma clearly benefits from a world of universal mandatory vaccination. The MSM benefits from everyone being glued to their TV sets (not to mention most of their ad revenue is… Read more »
Good points but I’m not sure about this one:
I would have thought that the 24/7 doom show would really start pissing people off so that they just don’t bother tuning in. Admittedly I never bothered with the MSM news much anyway. But right now is the first time I’ve gone out of my way to avoid it. Now I only watch TV when I’ve got a DVD on.
Don’t forget the tribal and religious divisions among the ruling elites.
Indeed. The link explains in written form much of what the link to Dr. Andrew Kaufman above describes orally ( Mr. Chops – “A Breakdown of Current Testing Procedures”).
That’s for sure. With NO future left, the ‘useless eaters’ simply become a threat, so the next novel virus will be more ‘effective’. This was probably a trial run, or a happy accident for the ‘Gods Upon the Earth’.
Yes, I’m not your comrade.
Just found a lucid analysis at Oriental Review (via Zero Hedge):
https://orientalreview.org/2020/03/31/putin-and-trump-vs-the-new-world-order-the-final-battle/
A quote: “We’re about to learn that European countries fear that China or Russia finds the truth in the Lombardy region, where people are not dying from some corona bug, but probably from a deadly cocktail hybrid from two earlier vaccines for meningitis and influenza, that they were injected in separate vaccination campaigns.”
Craig Murray makes some good points, namely that a flu pandemic has been predicted for years, it was widely foreseen, yet there was no provision made for it.
Just found this on Information Clearing House: What is abundantly evident is that the US, Britain and other Western states are not prepared to deal with the present crisis because of their rundown public health services. That structural problem is a matter of government neglect over many years to ensure that their citizens are adequately protected in a time of crisis. And that neglect stems from deliberate policy choices, such as showering the rich with tax breaks and squandering trillions on militarism, while relentlessly cutting funds for public services. I think this is the message we should be concentrating on. Rather than trying to communicate facts that most people don’t wish to know. It would be pertinent to remind them that the NHS always works at 100% every winter and is almost overcome every year. Yet, as Craig says: It is incredible to me that the UK is willing to… Read more »
With respect to Craig Murray’s article I find nothing “incredible” that we spend £220 billion on the lunacy of Trident. There’s money to be made for the few from these and similar abominations who have infiltrated the mindset of politicians ever since WW2 with an agenda of the fear of “them”. Slavishly we have followed American paranoia on this misguided path and continue to do so. The majority of the population now have a mindless acceptance of this situation in the belief that by spending these astronomical amounts of money on this madness they will be “safe”. Yet again we begin to see another form of this phenomenon of fear and acceptance with a virus whose manipulated death count has the power to confine us indoors with the same mantra of keeping us. “safe”. Politicians and those who control them have ensured that we can be coerced into whatever path… Read more »
Absolutely Grafter.
The insidious aspect though, as you’re probably aware, is that –
the bastards tell us we should stay inside to keep OTHERS safe. Far nastier, emotional blackmail under false pretences !
“With respect to Craig Murray’s article I find nothing “incredible” that we spend £220 billion on the lunacy of Trident. There’s money to be made for the few…”
*This.*
… – whilst the warheads are british, the D5 missile is wholly *made in the USA* (as has been the case since the polaris days), courtesy of – guess who?… – yep! lockheed martin, – the same assholes responsible for foisting the *incredible* f-turdy five practical joke on US-allied taxpayers, *everywhere*.
– incidently, this was wikiganda’s front-page ‘featured article’ the other day, and gives the historical background on the above arrangement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_US%E2%80%93UK_Mutual_Defence_Agreement
That Trident is also to justify keeping the UK as a permanent member of the UN Security council. That position is totally dubious compared to India, Japan, Germany or Brazil for normal people, but not for the Five Ayes.
We think the most important facts are often the ones people may not wish to hear. Sooner or later, when the full impact of the authoritarian ‘response’ to covid19 begins to hit them, people will begin looking for the truth beyond the propaganda.
In fact this is already happening. People who were chastising us for refusing to endorse the hysteria just a week ago are now agreeing with us and supporting our stance. We are being inundated with messages of encouragement, and have gained thousands of new social media followers in a matter of days.
Because, however it might be presented to us in the media, ‘fundamentally people are suckers for the truth’.
I don’t use social media, but that’s great to hear.
That’s wonderful news! You guys really do deserve the support and encouragement.
and at that very moment in time Twitter starts to censor your posts.
Coincidence, much?
Glad to hear it. One encouraging matter is that, with plenty of time on their hands and no job to take up their energies, people who don’t usually think much are starting to wonder and ask questions. And the fear porn must reach saturation point. People start to switch off. That is one of my dream scenarios: that the MSM start to notice that less and less are watching their putrid little penny dreadful.
Raising the question: How does the current state of ICUs compare with these other recent crises? To which, we must remember, no one ever suggested the solution was destroying the economy and instituting a police state. Well precisely. And that was the big giveaway from the start. I knew something was wrong the moment it al began and I didn’t even have to know the statistic. Quite often the way an article is reported tells you everything. And in this case, I felt that instead of being given a report, we were being told what “the program” was i.e. what they were intending to do. And yet even I couldn’t find the right way of expressing myself and ended up being denounced as a “conspiracy nut” by friends. I should have said, “Just listen to the way you are being told. Listen to the tone, the whole orientation of the… Read more »
Yes, gasp……..a 108-year-old woman died, one of our war heroes cruelly taken from us in the prime of her life.
There is no truth in the media, because if there were, they would be printing: ‘your Government has just taken $60,000 from each and every one of you, mostly poor and humble, and given it pretty much lock stock and barrel to corporations so swilling in wealth and cash as to make it the biggest case of reverse Robin Hood in history. And what is more, lawmakers were too cowardly to vote it through because they knew you would kick them all out if they did.’ You can say the same in the UK, using slightly different figures. A pathological media which lies for a living has been here since 9/11 in virulent form. It always existed to a certain extent, since the whole perceived role of media according to ruling elites is simply to befuddle the population through constant misinformation. From now on, it should be assumed that absolutely… Read more »
The Flu-Coup of 2020!
But Rhys, this another WMD situation shurely (sic) Lies, Lies, Wuhan Mass Death. Current directives are not working. You must now queue 2.0m apart standing on one leg. In years to come some tot will ask his ma at the checkout queue why everyone is standing on one leg.
No, that’s not lies, except the official numbers of dead only count those who died in hospital. The actual number is the region of 3 times higher according to an undercover Chinese investigator who spoke with many funeral homes / morgues.
Well see Brookings study for Chinese deaths stats where are your undercover stats?
Sinophobic propaganda lies. ‘..undercover Chinese investigator..’ my arse.
C/ every flu season there is a crisis at ICs
Difference with Covid19 is the naming of the disease.
But there still is a crisis, like every year when flu like diseases are spread through the air
The difference with flu, is that for covid19 ‘they’ made a VERY big point out of it.
They exaggerated the crisis and that is only worsening the health of the state.
Which reminds me of (I think it was Woodrow Wilson who longed for war to cure the economy in pre wwI USA) that ‘War is the health of the State’
That is what we are witnessing today
Slightly mistaken. Here is Howard Zinn on war and the health of the state
https://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinnwarhea14.html
Vitamin D May Cut Risk of Flu
“Study Shows Vitamin D May Help Prevent Respiratory Tract Infections
Vitamin D may reduce the incidence and severity of influenza and other infections of the upper respiratory tract, new research indicates.
Simple steps such as eating foods rich with vitamin D and getting more sunshine may help to reduce your chances of contracting flu and other similar illnesses, shows a study by scientists at Yale University School of Medicine and Greenwich Hospital in Connecticut.”
Government: “Everybody stay inside, out of the sun!”
How does a ‘carriage return’ create more empty space than an ’empty line’? Comment software is wonky.
Yet another university study confirms what our grandparents already knew. 🙂
They ‘reintroduced’ rickets to the UK, by telling people to stay out of the sun. And use sunscreen when they did venture out. Nasty stuff. Nasty people.
Quite. The advice to stay out of the sun is one of many pieces of government/orthodox medical advice that I’ve ignored over 3 or 4 decades. And as you say, sunscreen is nasty stuff. When you’ve had enough sun, cover up.
Although I am a sceptic, isn’t the timing a bit different? Surely end of March should normally indicate the end of the usual “flu season”. With the numbers reducing, not increasing, during March.
So something different is happening here. I think it’s too early to know the truth, but I hope we find out the truth eventually.
Meanwhile, I am sure this has been posted already, but for those who haven’t seen it:
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/01/covid-its-not-one-thing-its-not-one-disease
and
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/02/jon-rappoport-major-announcement-to-my-readers
(The latter is a link to a link to 3 podcasts. I found it better to download them rather than attempt to listen online (which just timed out for me)).
I’ve spent the past week reading Jon Rappoports blog (no more fake news) He makes a great deal of sense. People should also check out Amazing Polly on You Tube. Watched one of her videos last night on “not so trusted voices”. Excellent.
If indeed their best, and most apparently innocuous, argument for this attack on our rights as citizens is to prevent the Health Care system from being overwhelmed until the curve flattens, why have these same politicians been so ardent in slashing health care budgets for the past 40 years? Methinks there is far more that that involved here!
indeed, dennis. – and to the point of the article, re: ‘overburdened’ healthcare systems: – remember when they *repealed* ‘austerity’, after the last financial crisis?…
… – *oh, wait*!…
According to the WHO, upper respiratory diseases (flu, pneumonia, et al) are the third leading cause of death in the world – EVERY YEAR.
For the Elites, this is a reputation problem that can be solved by throwing more money into public relations firms (usually owned by their rich friends).
The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don’t want you to know about
“A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.
Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.”
There is even an adjective that describes this: iatrogenic. There are some nice quotes (among much other good stuff) at http://www.doctoryourself.com e.g. “One grandmother is worth two M.D.s. Robert Mendelsohn, M.D.” “Of several remedies, the physician should choose the least sensational. Hippocrates” “Health is the fastest growing failing business in western civilization. Emanuel Cheraskin, M.D., D.M.D. in Human Health and Homeostasis” “When in doubt, try nutrition first. Roger Williams, PhD in Nutrition Against Disease” “Disease is the censor pointing out the humans, animals and plants who are imperfectly nourished. Wrench, G. T. The Wheel of Health, 1941. London: Daniel, p 130.” “Medicine doesn’t get to the root of the trouble. It only conceals it. The result is a more highly poisoned condition which may become chronic disease. All drugs are harmful to the system. They are contrary to nature. . . . Mark my words. There is no way to… Read more »
Death By Prescription
“By one estimate, taking prescribed medications is the fourth leading cause of death among Americans.”
I think it’s abundantly self evident that Corona is a crock. Scapegoat for planned financial implosion. The real question is do they plan to release a “real” virus. The so called second wave.
If this virus was not planned, almost certainly, something very big was about to happen.
The US Empire is both ideologically and financially bankrupt, living off using One: Treaties, Two: Threats (which lately became unhinged), and Three: Wars.
Add to this, the state of (more than) economic war that the US keenly started to stop the Rise of China. I don’t think, it is an underestimate to say, the US Exceptionals view China as an ‘existential threat’.
Their current budget deficit is $1,850 billion.
They borrow about 35 cents of every dollar they spend.
The budget deficit has suddenly ballooned to $2,045 billion.
China is a religious threat. God himself ordained US led, Western, Judeo-Christian Civilization MUST rule the Earth, forever. As you can discern from the psychopathic fury of the Right’s lies re. this Fort Detrick virus, they are simply slavering for a casus belli. At least five years ago one US think-tank proclaimed that the US had ten years to bring China down, or it would be too technologically and militarily advanced to do so.
I would like you to define all the (bugs)that make us ill. I am seeing different defns on various websites.
Thanks.
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There are only three types of pathogen, fungi, bacteria and viruses. There are only three disease vectors, blood borne, air borne and faecal-oral. Our bodies are 90% living bacterial cells. Antibiotics NEVER work against viruses as they are not alive, as are bacteria and fungi. Viruses have no respiratory system and do not produce their own RNA for reproduction. Overall, the germ theory is wrong! Both Robert Koch and Louis Pasteur came from an era driven by reputation and profit, and the ethic to not cut corners and falsify parts of their work took a back seat. Koch, who discovered the first bacterium ‘anthrax’, himself never met the four ‘Koch Postulates’ in his own experiments. And Pasteur, who gave us virology and vaccination kept tandem notebooks with his real research, as exposed in 1971. Otto von Bismarck used ‘fear of contagion’ to malign the British, who had bankrupted Egypt and… Read more »