@SboC - To your first question: Holy Mother Church is concerned with ALL the people of God, regardless of how small or fractionary they are. Unity is the goal- "that they all may be one, Father, as you and I are One".

To the second, I say that there are Roman Catholics who, having been shattered by the post concilior Church and all Her woes, have not yet healed. These chaps continue to work through their crisis of faith in public without any formal guidence in Spiritual Direction (by a priest) and prayer. Therefore, it is all much noise and little substance; much emotion and little direction.

I must say however, that your clarity of sight in this matter, SboC, is quite refreshing - not to mention that of SBpfu. That Holy MOther Church will continue as She has for centuries, is clear to see. That chaps who have not the intellectual or spiritual fortitude to hold onto Our Lord's promises, must be rather unhappy people indeed!

I think that internet sites like these are their ONLY means of catharsis. Therefore, we abide them in Christian charity.

Hi SBpfu  !!!
Well said!
There are two things that I don't understand about all this. Firstly, why all the fuss about a miniscule splinter group? I'm sure the Holy Father has far more important and pressing things than to be waiting by the phone for a call from bishop Fellay and his ilk. From how some people talk, however, it sounds like a case of "the tail wagging the dog"! Secondly, what has happened to the fervent Christian hope that should animate us as followers of Christ? Don't we believe anymore in Our Lord's promise that not even "the gates of hell shall prevail" against the Church? And His promise to send the Paraclete to watch over His Church? It is always good when sheep that have strayed do return to the fold and His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, as the true Vicar of the Great Good Shepherd, is trying to facilitate this return. Nevertheless, whether the SSPX submits to Rome or not ... the One Holy Catholic Church will continue to preach and spread the Good News regardless. And we have the Lord's own words on that.
Christus vincit Christus regnat Christus imperat
Viva il Papa!

holyrope 3 is dead on in regards to what is at stake. And what is at stake? The heart of soul of Holy Mother Church at the hands of progressives, modernists, huminists, and heretics. Paul VI admitted the "the smoke of Satan" has entered the sanctuary. Our Lady of LaSallete predicted the apostacy. Being offended, or ignoring the problem, or personally attacking people has absolutely no merit. The evil one is at work and looking for a hostile take-over of Rome. Hopefully, SSPX will be prudent in their decision, guided by the Holy Ghost.

"The persistence of Mary about the dangers which threaten the Church is a divine warning against the suicide of altering the Faith, in Her liturgy, Her theology, and Her soul."

(Pope Pius XII)

The SSPX is certainly a society of priests who understand fully the words of Pius XII, therfore they have always held onto and upheld the sacred traditions of the Church. As 'once' the Jesuits were known as "the pope's men", we now have a priestly society of St. Pius the Tenth who are now the warriors in defending church orthodoxy.

Quite! However, it is always good and advisable to err on the side of caution. Therefore, it is more beneficial to the Catholic Faithful, not to encourage an image of normalcy with the SSPX, rather that the whole situation with the SSPX be observed from a distance - on account of its canonical-doctrinal and historical irregularities. There are many, many,many Extraordinary Form parishes, monastic communities, chapels,etc. There is no need to go to an SSPX chapel until the difficulties are eliminated. I think this is the kernel of Fr McNamara's message.

Legionary of Christ member Father Edward McNamara sites many of the same points already mentioned but he also includes his own opinions. It is for this reason that I would prefer to refer only to the statement by Msgr. Camille Perl, Vice President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei.

www.renewamerica.com/columns/mershon/080711

Hopefully, the entire confusing and contentions episode should be behind us very soon.

@Gloria.tv-News Briefs - We have Fr Edward McNamara professor of liturgy at Regina Apostolorum University in Rome, saying the opposite in the following Zenit article:

z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php

This is June 21st, 2011!

Therefore, there seems to be some disagreement among the factions..... this is more recent than your article of 2008. Could this represent the most up-to-date stance in Rome?

Msgr. Camille Perl, Vice President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei (PCED) has recently responded with a letter dated May 23, 2008, to questions I invoked regarding the official canonical status of the Society of St. Pius X and those Catholics who attend their chapels to fulfill their Sunday obligation.

www.renewamerica.com/columns/mershon/080711

Is Gloria.TV a website which is truly Catholic, i.e. in full communion with the Holy Father and through which Catholics can express their loyalty to Rome or not? That is not a rhetorical question, I really need to know.

You may not understand what “News-Briefs” are and so I will disregard the abusive, accusatory and insulting tone of your post to me and will attribute it to your ignornace.

News-Briefs are exactly that. Many news articles are searched and several of those articles are posted at Gloria.tv. Those articles posted may or may not reflect the views of Gloria management.

If you disapprove of a certain article, make intelligent comments that show WHY you disapprove and site sources that can establish the validity of your objections.

You are NOT doing that. Instead you have accused me of stating such things as "the Pope was flat out, and loudly, wrong". You talk of "silliness within the Catholic Church". You refer to actions of a Supreme pontiff of the Universal Church [Pope Paul VI] as "unjust and illegal" and as "nutty-novel".

I myself have never nor would I ever say such things nor would anyone at Gloria.tv say such things yet you accuse me of doing so. To belittle and imply that the poster of such an article is not being "Catholic" is illogical and offensive.

I've answered you for the last time and will NOT respond to you again.

SboC - Do not, I pray you, fall into the trap of emotional outbursts. This always ends in defeating your very purport in the matter. Always remain on the logical, factual plane without decending into mud-slinging comments - tis just better form and good breeding, really. Not to mention good classy Christianity, like that practiced by the Greek Fathers Basil and Gregory of Nazianzos (just read their letters and Macrena's life of Basil!).....

One remains rather confused here. SboC correctly quoted the Magesterium's stance on the SSPX below, yet Gloria.TV-News Briefs just side-stepped this and began talking about the 'blogosphere'; what a NON-Sequitur !! Gloria.TV-News Briefs, you have NOT intelligently addressed SboC's challenge, but have offered your own oppinion as fact (written in red, in point form). Do you have any official information which supports your oppinions and is this information from the Roman Pontiff or the Magesterium? (Blogs and internet fora are NOT official sources.)

You state that "the Pope was flat out, and loudly, wrong". You talk of "silliness within the Catholic Church". You refer to actions of a Supreme pontiff of the Universal Church [Pope Paul VI] as "unjust and illegal" and as "nutty-novel". You attack Religious Orders with whom you disagree as "malign and mephitic" [the latter, presumably, a reference to Mephistopheles, a demon] and to their actions as stinking "like the bottom of a monkey cage". You say that you have "excommunicated" yourself from a whole body of Catholics - those you mock as "mock conservatives". And yet you are telling me to NOT:
"engage in these kinds of abusive comments in which you make an equivalency between the SSPX and Lucifer. They are unproductive and do not reflect well on either you or this website."
Is Gloria.TV a website which is truly Catholic, i.e. in full communion with the Holy Father and through which Catholics can express their loyalty to Rome or not? That is not a rhetorical question, I really need to know.
Christus vincit Christus regnat Christus imperat
Viva il Papa!

the SSPX has been the carrier of many lights. So was "Lucifer". His sin and that of the Lefebvrists has also been the same: "Non serviam".

Please do NOT engage in these kinds of abusive comments in which you make an equivalency between the SSPX and Lucifer. They are unproductive and do not reflect well on either you or this website. Whether you realize it or not, your comment would then imply that Benedict is now engagning in talks with Lucifer. Not a very wise comment at all.

we continue to see accusations in the blogosphere against the SSPX that pre-date the 21st Century and, unfortunately, continue to spread like a disease.

From the comment section at rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/…/while-we-wait-s…
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As a former fervent critic of The SSPX, I think it is worthwhile to note that The SSPX was right about the Immemorial Mass never having been abrogated; The SSPX was right about the putative Excommunications; The SSPX was right about the grave state of necessity for the Consecrations and I, and any of those like me whose strident loyalty to the Holy See and The Pope tended to weaken our ecclesiastical vision, was flat out, and loudly, wrong.

Were it not for the SSPX, there would have been no resurrection of the Traditional Mass during my lifetime, there would have been no FSSP and, thus no wonderful Christ The King Chapel in Sarasota, Fl for me to assist at the real Mass; and there would have been not such silliness within the Catholic Church about which order is or is not in "full" Communion with the Catholic Church.

The plain and simple truth is that The SSPX offers the Mass offered everywhere prior to its unjust and illegal suppression by Pope Paul VI; the SSPX offers the Traditional Sacraments as they existed prior to the nutty-novel reforms of Pope Paul VI; and The SSPX teaches all that was taught prior to V2 which taught no new binding doctrine; and if all of that was once orthodox Catholicism then it is orthodox Catholicism now.

The Magisterium has the duty to treat of The SSPX on a Traditional Basis. If it is heretical, define what are her heresies and demand they repent of them; If the SSPX is an apostate order of Priests, do the same and make the same demands; and if the SSPX refuses to submit to what they see as a novel program, then show all of us how what the SSPX claims is a novel program is really Ecclesiastical Orthopraxis fully in sync with Tradition.

The plain and simple truth is that obedience to the Pope was cynically manipulated by liberals and modernists who had novel ideas about how the Catholic Church had to be changed.

The SSPX, in addition to having been right from the beginning, continues to be singled-out for intense scrutiny whereas other orders, whose malign and mephitic modernism stinks like the bottom of a monkey's cage, are allowed to claim Full Communion with the Catholic Church and so this whole, modern, novel, Full vs Partial Communion, which has all the substance of Cotton Candy, is revealed to be a political not a Doctrinal concept and it ought be ditched.

Mr. Ferrara blew-up the idea of Full vs Partial Communion and its continued use by Holy Mother Church is embarrassing.

The SSPX maintains the Bonds of Unity in Worship, Doctrine, and Authority as it existed at the time of the opening of V2 and because V2 issued no Dogmatic Teachings along with Canons and Decrees then it is simply silly to try and control and manipulate the SSPX using the novel and questionable idea of full and partial communion yoked to V2.

At least eighty Bishops voted against at least one of the Documents at V2 yet they were allowed to leave the Council in FULL Communion with the Pope and so how can the Magisterium continue to play politics with The SSPX?

It is unjust and unfair and unworthy of the Church established by Jesus.

Future Catholic Church historians will look back at this time and celebrate The SSPX Traditionalists and mock conservative Catholics - people I, too lately, excommunicated myself from.

While we wait for official response from the SSPX to the Vatican on the "Preamble," it would serve us well to do some level-setting, as we continue to see accusations in the blogosphere against the SSPX that pre-date the 21st Century and, unfortunately, continue to spread like a disease.

1.) The SSPX is not in schism
2.) You can attend SSPX Masses and it is NOT a sin
3.) You may put money in the collection basket
4.) It does fulfill your Sunday obligation

rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/…/while-we-wait-s…

In his letter of the 10th of March 2009 His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI wrote:
"The fact that the Society of St Pius X does not possess a canonical status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary but on doctrinal reasons. As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church."
Christus vincit Christus regnat Christus imperat
Viva il Papa!