Pope Leo interprets the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally and schismatically. There has been no denial from the Vatican Dicastery for Communications.
04.02.2025Here are some views on X on the consecration of new bishops of the SSPX on July 1, with my comments
Pope Leo interprets the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally and schismatically. There has been no denial from the Vatican Dicastery for Communications.
With Vatican Council II rational, which is orthodox and ecclesiocentric, religious liberty, ecumenism, collegiality and the liturgy are not an issue. It will be an issue for the liberals.
@austeni
Superb overview of Leo’s commitment to deepening conciliar reform, including of liturgy. His response to traditionalists is to realize, not reject, liturgical renewal.
Lionel: False. You cannot have a Conciliar or liturgical reform based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally and not rationally. The Council has to be interpreted with the Rational and not Irrational Premise.
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Commonweal Magazine
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"As we come to know Leo better, it is becoming clear that he has a strong commitment not only to continuing in Francis’s footsteps, but also to furthering the work of Vatican II." Analysis from Rita Ferrone:
Lionel. You cannot have a Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally instead of rationally. This is dishonesty.
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Austen Ivereigh
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Lturgical traditionalists incl
@latinmassuk
are calling for regularization of
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, blaming Traditionis Custodes for its schismatic action in defiance of the papacy. SSPX rejects Vatican II on religious liberty, ecumenism, collegiality and liturgy. How can it be “regularized”?
Lionel: The SSPX rejects the conclusion of Vatican Council II irrational. With Vatican Council II rational, which is orthodox and ecclesiocentric, religious liberty, ecumenism, collegiality and the liturgy are not an issue. It will be an issue for the liberals.
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@NovusOrdoWatch
In a way, Leo XIV has it easy now. He doesn't need to lift a finger - all he needs to do is wait - and the SSPX will once again have excommunicated bishops and confirmed its schismatic nature. That's perfect if he was looking for a reason or opportunity to denounce them.
Lionel: An alternative is that the SSPX affirm Vatican Council II rational and then ask the pope to do the same. If he does not it means he is approving new bishops who are schismatic. The ecclesial hierarchy are in schism with Vatican Council II rational and the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms interpreted rationally. They have a rational choice. But they choose to interpret Vatican Council II etc irrationally. The False Premise creates schism irrespective of who uses it.
Why should the SSPX accept a pope in public schism? He must recant and come back to the Faith. Then he can be accepted.
He is not magisterial or apostolic when he interprets Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church dishonestly.
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Jacob Bauer
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Feb 2
The only way to engage in the SSPX debate: 1. Demonstrate whether the Church is in a state of emergency or not.
Lionel. Pope Leo interprets the Creeds, Councils and Catechisms irrationally and schismatically. There has been no denial from the Vatican Dicastery for Communications.
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Lionel. Since the pope is in public schism with the irrational and not rational interpretation of Magisterial Documents, the cardinals and bishops he approves are also in schism. They use the Irrational Premise to interpret Church Documents to produce a fake break with Tradition.
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3. Demonstrate whether or not the SSPX's violations correspond with the rules suspended.
Lionel. The SSPX could be objecting to Rome not coming back to the Catholic Faith.
- Lionel Andrades
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