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Lionel Andrades

Father Cekada + Errors Of The Society Of St. Pius X

POPE CONTRADICTS BIBLE, CARDINAL LEVADA ISSUES NO CLARIFICATION. EXPECTS OFFICAL CLARIFICATION FROM BISHOP FELLAY
There are two errors of Pope Benedict in Light of the World p.107:-
1) He assumes that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II even though we do not know any of these cases …More
POPE CONTRADICTS BIBLE, CARDINAL LEVADA ISSUES NO CLARIFICATION. EXPECTS OFFICAL CLARIFICATION FROM BISHOP FELLAY
There are two errors of Pope Benedict in Light of the World p.107:-
1) He assumes that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II even though we do not know any of these cases saved in invincible ignorance etc. Since we do not know any of these cases saved they cannot be explicit exceptions on earth.
2) The pope says Jews do not have to convert in the present times and the Revised Good Friday Prayer is not for their conversion while they live .This contradicts the Bible (John 3:5,Mk:16:16 etc),Vatican Council II(AG 7), the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846, Dominus Iesus 20.

The pope denies the Faith in public and expects the SSPX to do the same (with reference to the Jews) or face the penalty of excommunication. There is now a foreign doctrine on the Jews which is not part of the Deposit of the Faith.Yet all the religious have signed a profession of faith.They have all recited the Nicene Creed which says I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. And yet the Jews do not need the baptism of water in the present time 2012?

The pope expects the SSPX to accept Vatican Council II when the Council indicates Jews need to convert for salvation. (AG 7).The pope has never said this clearly in public.

Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) never issued a clarification over the pope’s error on the Jews. He is expecting a clarification from Bishop Bernard Fellay.

Vatican Council II says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (AG 7) and this includes the Jews. It says the Church is ‘the new people of God’ (NA4) and the Church of Christ is the Catholic Church (LG 8).It does not state that we know cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience(LG 16) or that this contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or AG 7.

It’s a shame that the members of Ecclesia Dei nod their heads in silent acquiescence.
Lionel Andrades
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REPORT IS AN EXPOSE OF APOSTASY AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF THE CHURCH-ROBERT SUNGENIS
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DID THE POPE REALLY DENY THE FAITH ON THE NEED FOR JEWS TO CONVERT ?
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CDF CLARIFIES COMMENT ON CONDOMS BUT NOT JEWS : POPE CONTRADICTS BIBLE
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POPE SAYS REVISED GOOD FRIDAY PRAYER IS NOT FOR THE CONVERSION OF THE JEWS ? EARTHQUAKE SHIFT IN CATHOLIC TEACHING ?
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Pope Benedict XVI’s objective,factual error in Light of the World(Ignatius) p.107 is contributing to widespread liberalism and dissent in the Catholic Church.
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Msgr. Guido Pozzo could announce Vatican Council II agrees with literal interpretation of dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus while Nostra Aetate says Catholics are the ‘new people of God’ : pope made an error in Light of the World- all this is relevant to the Vatican-SSPX differences
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VATICAN SECRETARY OF STATE HAS TO BE A CATHOLIC ACCORDING TO CANON LAW
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CATHOLIC NEWS BLACK OUT ON BAGNASCO-RABBI DEAL
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RABBIS WHO MET WITH CARDINAL ANGELO BAGNASCO ORIENTED TO HELL INDICATES VATICAN COUNCIL II
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CARDINAL BAGNASCO DENIES JESUS AND THE CHURCH
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CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
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RADICI CRISTIANE SAYS CLEARLY CHURCH HAS NOT CHANGED LITERAL MEANING OF DOGMA AND INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND BAPTISM OF DESIRE ARE NOT DEFACTO EXCEPTIONS.
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Robert Sungenis, John Salza : Baptism of Desire does not compromise the Church’s teaching “No Salvation outside the Church”
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AMERICAN APOLOGIST SAYS ITALIAN BISHOPS IN APOSTASY
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CATHOLIC PRIESTS CORRECT POPE BENEDICT'S MISTAKE : WE DO NOT KNOW ANY CASE OF A NON CATHOLIC SAVED IMPLICITLY BY JESUS AND THE CHURCH SO IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT CANTATE DOMINO,COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
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Lionel Andrades

Father Cekada + Errors Of The Society Of St. Pius X

By the way, what make you so sure of what is dividing the Church and the sspx?

Lionel:
It is the interpretation of Vatican Council II which is divinding the Vatican and the SSPX. This has been repeated many times by Bishop Fellay and the others.
Lionel Andrades

Father Cekada + Errors Of The Society Of St. Pius X

Monday, April 16, 2012

Msgr. Guido Pozzo could announce Vatican Council II agrees with literal interpretation of dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus while Nostra Aetate says Catholics are the ‘new people of God’ : pope made an error in Light of the World- all this is relevant to the Vatican-SSPX differences

For political reasons Ecclesia Dei is not admitting the truth about Vatican Council II.

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Monday, April 16, 2012

Msgr. Guido Pozzo could announce Vatican Council II agrees with literal interpretation of dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus while Nostra Aetate says Catholics are the ‘new people of God’ : pope made an error in Light of the World- all this is relevant to the Vatican-SSPX differences

For political reasons Ecclesia Dei is not admitting the truth about Vatican Council II.

Msgr. Guido Pozzo Secretary of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” – the Vatican body charged with helping to bring reconciliation with the SSPX - said “we haven’t yet received a response” but he added that the fraternity have “preannounced they will arrive at a final clarification, therefore I am hoping that at the beginning of next week we’ll be able to know their position and then take consequent positions.” (1)

NO DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES

There are no doctrinal differences between the Vatican and the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) if Ecclesia Dei announces that Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) (2) is in agreement with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also with Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II on invincible ignorance and those saved with a good conscience (3).
LG 16 is not an explicit exception to the dogma or AG 7.Since we do not know any case saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience.We accept these cases as possibilities. Defacto we can never know anyone saved with a good conscience etc.They are known only in Heaven.
Secondly Nostra Aetate 4 says Catholics are the ‘new people of God’.Catholics are the Chosen People now.
These two points are in agreement with the SSPX position that all non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.This was the traditional teaching and it is the teaching after Vatican Council II.Msgr. Guido Pozzo needs to announce that this is the teaching of Vatican Council II according to the text and the Catholic Church.
This very message in a comment on Rorate Caeli was pulled down on April 14,2012. (4)
If Mnsgr. Guido Pozzo makes the required announcment then many people will realize that rationally there can only be one interpretation of Vatican Council on this subject. Since the former interpretation, the liberal one, assumes LG 16 etc are explicit exceptions to the dogma which says all need to convert into the Church for salvation.
The Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI wrongly assumes in Light of the World p.107 that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us and so they are exceptions to the traditional understanding of the dogma.(6)
Pope Benedict XVI also approved two theological papers of the International Theological Commission (ITC) in which the same factual error has been made. The error was that Vatican Council II metnions exceptions to the traditional teaching of exclusive salvation being there only in the Catholic Church.(7)
The President of the ITC was Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, who is now the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.While the Secretary of the ITC was Bishop Morerod. They both represented the Vatican in talks with the SSPX. There were differences on ecumenism and other religions since the Vatican-side used a false premise (that of visible cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance).So they postulated wrongly that Vatican Council II contradicts AG 7 and the dogma.They assumed that the Catholic Church has changed its teaching on other religions and ecumenism after Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

This is also the Rabbi Rosen-ADL interpretation of Vatican Council II. So for political reasons the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith may not want to make this announcement.It would be ‘peaceful’ to accept the false interpretation of Vatican Council II which is objectively wrong regarding LG 16, since physically, in real life, we cannot identify any such case saved in invincible ignorance.
Members of the SSPX and other Catholics can hold Press Conferences and peaceful demonstrations appealing to the pope to uphold Vatican Council II.

Lionel Andrades

1
www.ncregister.com/…/vatican-hoping-…

2.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.

3.
Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.

4.
Sunday, April 15, 2012

RORATE CAELI PULLS DOWN COMMENT: 'WHY CANNOT ALL CARDINALS,BISHOPS, RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES AFFIRM THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND ALSO IMPLICIT BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE'
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Pope Benedict XVI’s objective,factual error in Light of the World(Ignatius) p.107 is contributing to widespread liberalism and dissent in the Catholic Church.
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/Light%20of%20th…
7.
International Theological Commission (ITC) makes an objective, factual error in two of its published documents. Could they also be wrong about Limbo?

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VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
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INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION USES PREMISE THAT IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT : LIMBO
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The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
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INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
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VATICAN COUNCIL II REJECTS THE THEOLOGY OF RELIGIONS
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Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
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Lionel Andrades

Father Cekada + Errors Of The Society Of St. Pius X

Declaration on Religious Freedom-Dignitatis Humanae

2. This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, …More
Declaration on Religious Freedom-Dignitatis Humanae

2. This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.
Lionel: So we do not force anyone.
The council further declares that the right to religious freedom has its foundation in the very dignity of the human person as this dignity is known through the revealed word of God and by reason itself.(2) This right of the human person to religious freedom is to be recognized in the constitutional law whereby society is governed and thus it is to become a civil right.
Lionel:God grants us this freedom to choose.
Since the state is no more Catholic this has become a civil right.
It is in accordance with their dignity as persons-that is, beings endowed with reason and free will and therefore privileged to bear personal responsibility-that all men should be at once impelled by nature and also bound by a moral obligation to seek the truth, especially religious truth.
Lionel:Yes they are obliged to search for the truth. Lumen Gentium 14 says those who know the truth about Jesus and the Church and yet do not enter are on the way to Hell.
They are also bound to adhere to the truth, once it is known, and to order their whole lives in accord with the demands of truth
Lionel: Lumen Gentium 14
However, men cannot discharge these obligations in a manner in keeping with their own nature unless they enjoy immunity from external coercion as well as psychological freedom. Therefore the right to religious freedom has its foundation not in the subjective disposition of the person, but in his very nature. In consequence, the right to this immunity continues to exist even in those who do not live up to their obligation of seeking the truth and adhering to it and the exercise of this right is not to be impeded, provided that just public order be observed.
Lionel:We do not force them.

We agree on what religious truth is and that it is found only in the Catholic Church and that all political states should affirm Catholic teaching and be obedient to the pope or to a political representative of the Holy Father. De jure this should be the relation of the Church and state.

Even though defacto it is otherwise now.

So in principle Vatican Council II does not contradict this belief. However defacto it seems to acknowledge that states are free to create laws and this is a defacto right or reality.
Lionel Andrades

Society of St. Pius X “Regularization” Not as Easy as You Think

Monday, April 16, 2012

Msgr. Guido Pozzo could announce Vatican Council II agrees with literal interpretation of dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus while Nostra Aetate says Catholics are the ‘new people of God’ : pope made an error in Light of the World- all this is relevant to the Vatican-SSPX differences

For political reasons Ecclesia Dei is not admitting the truth about Vatican Council II.
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Monday, April 16, 2012

Msgr. Guido Pozzo could announce Vatican Council II agrees with literal interpretation of dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus while Nostra Aetate says Catholics are the ‘new people of God’ : pope made an error in Light of the World- all this is relevant to the Vatican-SSPX differences

For political reasons Ecclesia Dei is not admitting the truth about Vatican Council II.
Msgr. Guido Pozzo Secretary of the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei” – the Vatican body charged with helping to bring reconciliation with the SSPX - said “we haven’t yet received a response” but he added that the fraternity have “preannounced they will arrive at a final clarification, therefore I am hoping that at the beginning of next week we’ll be able to know their position and then take consequent positions.” (1)

NO DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES
There are no doctrinal differences between the Vatican and the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) if Ecclesia Dei announces that Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) (2) is in agreement with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also with Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II on invincible ignorance and those saved with a good conscience (3).

LG 16 is not an explicit exception to the dogma or AG 7.Since we do not know any case saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience.We accept these cases as possibilities. Defacto we can never know anyone saved with a good conscience etc.They are known only in Heaven.
Secondly Nostra Aetate 4 says Catholics are the ‘new people of God’.Catholics are the Chosen People now.
These two points are in agreement with the SSPX position that all non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.This was the traditional teaching and it is the teaching after Vatican Council II.Msgr. Guido Pozzo needs to announce that this is the teaching of Vatican Council II according to the text and the Catholic Church.
This very message in a comment on Rorate Caeli was pulled down on April 14,2012. (4)
If Mnsgr. Guido Pozzo makes the required announcment then many people will realize that rationally there can only be one interpretation of Vatican Council on this subject. Since the former interpretation, the liberal one, assumes LG 16 etc are explicit exceptions to the dogma which says all need to convert into the Church for salvation.
The Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI wrongly assumes in Light of the World p.107 that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us and so they are exceptions to the traditional understanding of the dogma.(6)

Pope Benedict XVI also approved two theological papers of the International Theological Commission (ITC) in which the same factual error has been made. The error was that Vatican Council II metnions exceptions to the traditional teaching of exclusive salvation being there only in the Catholic Church.(7)

The President of the ITC was Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, who is now the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.While the Secretary of the ITC was Bishop Morerod. They both represented the Vatican in talks with the SSPX. There were differences on ecumenism and other religions since the Vatican-side used a false premise (that of visible cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance).So they postulated wrongly that Vatican Council II contradicts AG 7 and the dogma.They assumed that the Catholic Church has changed its teaching on other religions and ecumenism after Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

This is also the Rabbi Rosen-ADL interpretation of Vatican Council II. So for political reasons the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith may not want to make this announcement.It would be ‘peaceful’ to accept the false interpretation of Vatican Council II which is objectively wrong regarding LG 16, since physically, in real life, we cannot identify any such case saved in invincible ignorance.

Members of the SSPX and other Catholics can hold Press Conferences and peaceful demonstrations appealing to the pope to uphold Vatican Council II.
Lionel Andrades

1
www.ncregister.com/…/vatican-hoping-…

2.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.

3.
Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.

4.
Sunday, April 15, 2012

RORATE CAELI PULLS DOWN COMMENT: 'WHY CANNOT ALL CARDINALS,BISHOPS, RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES AFFIRM THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND ALSO IMPLICIT BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND BEING SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE'
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/rorate-caeli-pu…

6.
Pope Benedict XVI’s objective,factual error in Light of the World(Ignatius) p.107 is contributing to widespread liberalism and dissent in the Catholic Church.
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/Light%20of%20th…

7.
International Theological Commission (ITC) makes an objective, factual error in two of its published documents. Could they also be wrong about Limbo?

eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/international-t…

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/vaticans-intern…

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION USES PREMISE THAT IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT : LIMBO
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/international-t…

The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/international-t…

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/international-t…

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/vaticans-intern…

VATICAN COUNCIL II REJECTS THE THEOLOGY OF RELIGIONS
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/vatican-council…

Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/secretary-of-in…
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/msgr-guido-pozz…
Lionel Andrades

Father Cekada + Errors Of The Society Of St. Pius X

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In Nostra Aetate, I saw things really worrying.
Lionel: I have not found anything in Nostra Aetate which contradicts the literal intepretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
When will the SSPX comment on this?

Nostra Aetate 4 says the Church is the new people of God. I have not read anyway that the SSPX says Vatican Council II says the Church is …More
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In Nostra Aetate, I saw things really worrying.
Lionel: I have not found anything in Nostra Aetate which contradicts the literal intepretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
When will the SSPX comment on this?

Nostra Aetate 4 says the Church is the new people of God. I have not read anyway that the SSPX says Vatican Council II says the Church is the new people of God, Catholics are the chosen people of God.

Defacto( in reality) the Church has no political power as in the past so all people are free to folllow what they want. Dejure (in principle) since outside the Church there is no salvation all people need to enter the Church with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation( to avoid Hell).
Lionel Andrades

Father Cekada + Errors Of The Society Of St. Pius X

Saturday, April 14, 2012

LIGHT OF THE WORLD ERROR SHOWS THAT THERE ARE NO REAL DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE VATICAN AND THE SSPX

Once we realize that we cannot telephone or fax someone saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience the problem is resolved.We have to look at Vatican Council II in a different way.
Why cannot all Catholic religious communities Franciscans,…
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Saturday, April 14, 2012

LIGHT OF THE WORLD ERROR SHOWS THAT THERE ARE NO REAL DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE VATICAN AND THE SSPX

Once we realize that we cannot telephone or fax someone saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience the problem is resolved.We have to look at Vatican Council II in a different way.
Why cannot all Catholic religious communities Franciscans, Dominicans, Jesuits, Society of St.Pius X etc affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also implicit baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, the seeds of the Word etc?

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has just to take the first step to resolve the Society of St.Pius X problem by announcing that :
‘the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, the seeds of the Word etc are known only to God.’

This is obvious! It is a non controversial statement.Other misundestandings will end.


Example, in the following analysis written by John R. T. Lamont expressly for www.chiesa there are four points of seemingly disunity. (1) In reality there is no disunity.
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John R. T. Lamont
"The doctrine on religious liberty, as it is expressed in no. 2 of the Declaration 'Dignitatis humanae,' contradicts the teachings of Gregory XVI in 'Mirari vos' and of Pius IX in 'Quanta cura' as well as those of Pope Leo XIII in 'Immortale Dei' and those of Pope Pius XI in 'Quas primas.'

Lionel:
N.13 Mirari Vos states :'Now We consider another abundant source of the evils with which the Church is afflicted at present: indifferentism. This perverse opinion is spread on all sides by the fraud of the wicked who claim that it is possible to obtain the eternal salvation of the soul by the profession of any kind of religion, as long as morality is maintained…'
Vatican Council II does not opppose the encyclical of Pope Gregory XVI (1832) on this point of religious indifferentism. Since Ad Gentes 7 states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation (to avoid Hell).This is the same teaching as the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There are no known exceptions to this teaching since we do not know any case on earth of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience(LG 16). We accept the possibility of a non Catholic being saved in invicible ignorance but just like the Church Fathers, popes, Councils and saints we do not claim that there are defacto known cases. Vatican Council II also does not make this claim.So the Vatican Council II text does not promote religious indifferentism.
14 Mirari Vos . 'This shameful font of indifferentism gives rise to that absurd and erroneous proposition which claims that liberty of conscience must be maintained for everyone.'
Note well that it is the religious indifferentism which gives rise 'to claims of liberty of conscience' which 'must be maintained for everyone.'

Once we are clear that outside the church there is no salvation and there are no known exceptions (AG 7,LG 14) and that Catholics are 'the new people of God '(NA 4) we realize that everyone is physically free (according to the present laws in many countries) to defacto follow their conscience.However in principle (de jure) every one on earth needs to be a Catholic for salvation(to avoid Hell) according to Vatican Council II (AG 7).
So we accept the Social Reign of Jesus Christ, that Jesus must be the centre of all political and social institions. In principle we hold this belief and in this manner interpret Dignitatis Humane 2.i.e outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation and we have the liberty of conscience to express this ancient teaching ,in principle, while ackowledging that many political states in the present times permit a person to follow his conscience while other countries do not (Islamic,Communist etc).
Vatican Council II states that a non Catholic is free to follow his conscience in the sense that God also leaves us free to follow our conscience good or bad.The Council does not say that we have an obligation to follow evil and a bad conscience.Much of the Council’s writing is positive and orients us towards God and a good conscience. So this is what we need to emphasize.Everyone knows what is good in their heart and we should follow it, we follow the natural law and the teaching of a good conscience. We reject the teaching of a bad conscience and no where does Vatican Council II state that we must follow a bad conscience.

2.
John R. T. Lamont
"The doctrine on the Church, as it is expressed in no. 8 of the Constitution 'Lumen gentium,' contradicts the teachings of Pope Pius XII in 'Mystici corporis' and 'Humani generis.'

Lionel:
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has clarified that the Church of Christ is the Catholic Church (subsistit it).
When Lumen Gentium 8 refers to ‘elements of sanctifciation’ we accept it as a possibility. Only God can know who is saved with elements of sanctification. Since we cannot judge these cases on earth it does not contradict the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

3.
John R. T. Lamont
"The doctrine on ecumenism, as it is expressed in no. 8 of 'Lumen gentium' and no. 3 of the Decree 'Unitatis redintegratio,' contradicts the teachings of Pope Pius IX in propositions 16 and 17 of the 'Syllabus,' those of Leo XIII in 'Satis cognitum,' and those of Pope Pius XI in 'Mortalium animos.'

Lionel:
Unitatis redintegratio n.3 like Lumen Gentium 8 refers to goodness and sanctification which can be founded among Christians. We accept that a Protestant or Orthodox Christian can be saved ‘in certain circumstances’(Letter of the Holy Office 1949) and it will be known only to God. The ordinary means of salvation is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (AG 7).All Christians need Catholic Faith for salvation (to avoid Hell) (AG 7).So there is no contradiction between UR 3,LG 8 and ‘the dogma’, which Pope Pius XII called an an ‘infallible’statement.(Letter of the Holy Office 1949). The dogma on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Cantate Domino, Council of Florence states Jews, heretics (Protestants) and schismatics (Orthodox Christians) need to convert into the Church to avoid the fires of Hell.
4.
John R. T. Lamont
"The doctrine on collegiality, as it is expressed in no. 22 of the Constitution 'Lumen gentium,' including no. 3 of the 'Nota praevia' [Explanatory Note], contradicts the teachings of the First Vatican Council on the uniqueness of the subject of supreme power in the Church, in the Constitution 'Pastor aeternus'."
Lionel:
‘All men are called to this union with Christ, who is the light of the world, from whom we go forth, through whom we live, and toward whom our whole life strains.’-Lumen Gentium 3. Yes, as Dominus Iesus 20 says Jesus died for all men and salvation is open to all, it is universal, however to receive it, all need to respond by entering the Church; the Church is necessary. The ordinary means of salvation is the Catholic Church.(AG 7, Redemptoris Missio 55 etc). So there is no contradiction between the First and Second Vatican Council II on this issue. Similarly collegiality as expressed in LG 22 does not conflict with the Church teaching that ‘submission to the Catholic Church and to the Sovereign Pontiff is required as necessary for salvation.’(Letter of the Holy Office 1949).
-Lionel Andrades

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Friday, April 13, 2012

'Light of the World' p.107 expresses Pope Benedict’s personal opinion or is the ordinary magisterium: the pope wrongly assumes those saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the dogma and the SSPX position on ecumenism and non Catholic religions
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Friday, April 13, 2012

So would the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,Vatican excommunicate me when I say I reject the liberal interpretation of Vatican Council II but accept Vatican Council II according to Tradition and a continuation with the defined dogma ? I can accept the SSPX's position on other religions as being the teaching of Vatican Council II.
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Tuesday, April 10, 2012
HOLY FATHER ASSUMES THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE KNOWN TO US: CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL I AND II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/holy-father-ass…
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/light-of-world-…
Lionel Andrades

Father Cekada + Errors Of The Society Of St. Pius X

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By invincible ignorance I means those who do not know about the Catholic Church and yet are believed to be saved. We do not know these cases. However in principle it is possible that they can be saved. God could send them a preacher before they die or even have them baptised.However the point is that we do not know if there are any such cases in the present time.(2012).We do not …More
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By invincible ignorance I means those who do not know about the Catholic Church and yet are believed to be saved. We do not know these cases. However in principle it is possible that they can be saved. God could send them a preacher before they die or even have them baptised.However the point is that we do not know if there are any such cases in the present time.(2012).We do not dispute the possibility of their being saved in the manner God chooses.

The pope assumes that these cases are known to us and so exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The dogma which Pope Pius X called an 'infallible' statement says all need to convert into the Church for salvation. It does not mention any known exceptions.

So being saved in invincible ignorance is not an explicit exception to the dogma.

So it means that LG 16 (invincible ignorance) is not an exception to the dogma or to Ad Gentes 7 which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

So there is nothing in Vatican Council II which contradicts the SSPX position on ecumenism and other religions.
Lionel Andrades

Father Cekada + Errors Of The Society Of St. Pius X

Friday, April 13, 2012

'Light of the World' p.107 expresses Pope Benedict’s personal opinion or is the ordinary magisterium: the pope wrongly assumes those saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the dogma and the SSPX position on ecumenism and non Catholic religions

A comment on this blog says that in Light of the World (Ignatius)p.107 the Holy Father was only expressing a perso…More
Friday, April 13, 2012

'Light of the World' p.107 expresses Pope Benedict’s personal opinion or is the ordinary magisterium: the pope wrongly assumes those saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the dogma and the SSPX position on ecumenism and non Catholic religions

A comment on this blog says that in Light of the World (Ignatius)p.107 the Holy Father was only expressing a personal opinion.Whether it was his personal opinion or the ordinary magisterium there was a factual, objective error.

I respect Pope Benedict XVI and I value what he writes.The point I wanted to make was that we do not know explicit cases of those saved in invincible ignorance etc as the pope assumes. Since we do not know any of these cases they are not explicit exceptions to the ancient teaching that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church only and there are no (known) exceptions.
Since the pope makes this error he assumes that Vatican Council II mentions exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Since he thinks there are so many exceptions ( seeds of the Word, good conscience etc),then for him, the traditional position on ecumenism and other religions of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) is flawed. He would expect the SSPX to accept that there are defacto known cases of non Catholics in the present time (2011-2012 ) saved in invincible ignorance etc.We know there are no such cases.
These cases are always possibilities. They can never be defacto known to us. Since they are only possibilities always, they do not contradict the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which says all need to convert into the Church for salvation. It also does not contradict Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

The SSPX needs to publicly state that there are no known exceptions to the dogma mentioned in Vatican Council II. There are no reference texts.
Also before any decision is taken on the SSPX a public clarification (non secret) should be asked of the the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,Vatican.

The pope approved two position papers of the International Theological Commission(ITC) with the same error. The two papers are
1.
Christianity and the World Religions(1997)
www.vatican.va/…/rc_cti_1997_cri….

2. THE HOPE OF SALVATION FOR INFANTS WHO DIE WITHOUT BEING BAPTISED
www.vatican.va/…/rc_con_cfaith_d…

The President of the ITC was Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. He represented the Vatican in failed talks with the SSPX. They differed over the issue of ecumenism, inter religious dialogue and religious liberty indicated by the Open Letter to the SSPX by Mnsgr.Nicola Bux, Consultant to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Office of Liturgical Celebrations of the Pope .
It may be mentioned that though the pope made the objective error in the book by Peter Seewald in none of the magisterial documents, including those issued by Cardinal Ratzinger and then Pope Benedict XVI, is it said that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us personally or that they are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.No magisterial text including that of Vatican Council II makes this error.
-Lionel Andrades
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There is no reference text in Vatican Council II contrary to the SSPX position on other religions, ecumenism
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/there-is-no-ref…

CONDITIONS FOR THE SSPX TO 'ENTER THE CHURCH'
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/conditions-for-…

There could soon be an 'ecclesial rupture' because the Vatican does not want to say that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II.
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/there-could-soo…

CATHOLICS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD PRAYED TODAY FOR 'HERETICS AND SCHISMATICS': DIVINE MERCY NOVENA
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/catholics-throu…

VATICAN-SSPX NEED TO CALL TIME OUT: ERROR IN LIGHT OF THE WORLD DIRECTLY LINKED TO DIFFERENCES IN ECUMENISM, INTER-RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE, RELIGIOUS LIBERTY WHICH MSGR.NICOLA BUX MENTIONED
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/vatican-sspx-ne…

HOLY FATHER ASSUMES THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE KNOWN TO US: CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL I AND II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/holy-father-ass…

HOLY FATHER MAKES AN OBJECTIVE ERROR IN WRITING
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/holy-father-mak…

The Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ says Nostra Aetate 4,Vatican Council II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/jewish-authorit…

DID THE POPE REALLY DENY THE FAITH ON THE NEED FOR JEWS TO CONVERT ?
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/did-pope-really…

ANIVERSARY OF THE DENIAL OF THE FAITH BY THE MAGISTERIUM ?
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/aniversary-of-d…
Lionel Andrades

Society of St. Pius X “Regularization” Not as Easy as You Think

Friday, April 13, 2012

'Light of the World' p.107 expresses Pope Benedict’s personal opinion or is the ordinary magisterium: the pope wrongly assumes those saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the dogma and the SSPX position on ecumenism and non Catholic religions

A comment on this blog says that in Light of the World (Ignatius)p.107 the Holy Father was only expressing a perso…More
Friday, April 13, 2012

'Light of the World' p.107 expresses Pope Benedict’s personal opinion or is the ordinary magisterium: the pope wrongly assumes those saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the dogma and the SSPX position on ecumenism and non Catholic religions

A comment on this blog says that in Light of the World (Ignatius)p.107 the Holy Father was only expressing a personal opinion.Whether it was his personal opinion or the ordinary magisterium there was a factual, objective error.

I respect Pope Benedict XVI and I value what he writes.The point I wanted to make was that we do not know explicit cases of those saved in invincible ignorance etc as the pope assumes. Since we do not know any of these cases they are not explicit exceptions to the ancient teaching that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church only and there are no (known) exceptions.
Since the pope makes this error he assumes that Vatican Council II mentions exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Since he thinks there are so many exceptions ( seeds of the Word, good conscience etc),then for him, the traditional position on ecumenism and other religions of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) is flawed. He would expect the SSPX to accept that there are defacto known cases of non Catholics in the present time (2011-2012 ) saved in invincible ignorance etc.We know there are no such cases.
These cases are always possibilities. They can never be defacto known to us. Since they are only possibilities always, they do not contradict the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which says all need to convert into the Church for salvation. It also does not contradict Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

The SSPX needs to publicly state that there are no known exceptions to the dogma mentioned in Vatican Council II. There are no reference texts.
Also before any decision is taken on the SSPX a public clarification (non secret) should be asked of the the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,Vatican.

The pope approved two position papers of the International Theological Commission(ITC) with the same error. The two papers are
1.
Christianity and the World Religions(1997)
www.vatican.va/…/rc_cti_1997_cri….

2. THE HOPE OF SALVATION FOR INFANTS WHO DIE WITHOUT BEING BAPTISED
www.vatican.va/…/rc_con_cfaith_d…

The President of the ITC was Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. He represented the Vatican in failed talks with the SSPX. They differed over the issue of ecumenism, inter religious dialogue and religious liberty indicated by the Open Letter to the SSPX by Mnsgr.Nicola Bux, Consultant to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Office of Liturgical Celebrations of the Pope .
It may be mentioned that though the pope made the objective error in the book by Peter Seewald in none of the magisterial documents, including those issued by Cardinal Ratzinger and then Pope Benedict XVI, is it said that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us personally or that they are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.No magisterial text including that of Vatican Council II makes this error.
-Lionel Andrades
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There is no reference text in Vatican Council II contrary to the SSPX position on other religions, ecumenism
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/there-is-no-ref…

CONDITIONS FOR THE SSPX TO 'ENTER THE CHURCH'
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/conditions-for-…

There could soon be an 'ecclesial rupture' because the Vatican does not want to say that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II.
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/there-could-soo…

CATHOLICS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD PRAYED TODAY FOR 'HERETICS AND SCHISMATICS': DIVINE MERCY NOVENA
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/catholics-throu…

VATICAN-SSPX NEED TO CALL TIME OUT: ERROR IN LIGHT OF THE WORLD DIRECTLY LINKED TO DIFFERENCES IN ECUMENISM, INTER-RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE, RELIGIOUS LIBERTY WHICH MSGR.NICOLA BUX MENTIONED
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/vatican-sspx-ne…

HOLY FATHER ASSUMES THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE KNOWN TO US: CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL I AND II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/holy-father-ass…

HOLY FATHER MAKES AN OBJECTIVE ERROR IN WRITING
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/holy-father-mak…

The Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ says Nostra Aetate 4,Vatican Council II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/jewish-authorit…

DID THE POPE REALLY DENY THE FAITH ON THE NEED FOR JEWS TO CONVERT ?
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/did-pope-really…

ANIVERSARY OF THE DENIAL OF THE FAITH BY THE MAGISTERIUM ?
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/aniversary-of-d…
Lionel Andrades

SSPX (Society of St. Pius X)

Friday, April 13, 2012

'Light of the World' p.107 expresses Pope Benedict’s personal opinion or is the ordinary magisterium: the pope wrongly assumes those saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the dogma and the SSPX position on ecumenism and non Catholic religions

A comment on this blog says that in Light of the World (Ignatius)p.107 the Holy Father was only expressing a perso…More
Friday, April 13, 2012

'Light of the World' p.107 expresses Pope Benedict’s personal opinion or is the ordinary magisterium: the pope wrongly assumes those saved in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the dogma and the SSPX position on ecumenism and non Catholic religions

A comment on this blog says that in Light of the World (Ignatius)p.107 the Holy Father was only expressing a personal opinion.Whether it was his personal opinion or the ordinary magisterium there was a factual, objective error.

I respect Pope Benedict XVI and I value what he writes.The point I wanted to make was that we do not know explicit cases of those saved in invincible ignorance etc as the pope assumes. Since we do not know any of these cases they are not explicit exceptions to the ancient teaching that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church only and there are no (known) exceptions.
Since the pope makes this error he assumes that Vatican Council II mentions exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Since he thinks there are so many exceptions ( seeds of the Word, good conscience etc),then for him, the traditional position on ecumenism and other religions of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) is flawed. He would expect the SSPX to accept that there are defacto known cases of non Catholics in the present time (2011-2012 ) saved in invincible ignorance etc.We know there are no such cases.

These cases are always possibilities. They can never be defacto known to us. Since they are only possibilities always, they do not contradict the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which says all need to convert into the Church for salvation. It also does not contradict Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

The SSPX needs to publicly state that there are no known exceptions to the dogma mentioned in Vatican Council II. There are no reference texts.
Also before any decision is taken on the SSPX a public clarification (non secret) should be asked of the the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,Vatican.

The pope approved two position papers of the International Theological Commission(ITC) with the same error. The two papers are

1.
Christianity and the World Religions(1997)
www.vatican.va/…/rc_cti_1997_cri….

2. THE HOPE OF SALVATION FOR INFANTS WHO DIE WITHOUT BEING BAPTISED
www.vatican.va/…/rc_con_cfaith_d…

The President of the ITC was Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. He represented the Vatican in failed talks with the SSPX. They differed over the issue of ecumenism, inter religious dialogue and religious liberty indicated by the Open Letter to the SSPX by Mnsgr.Nicola Bux, Consultant to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the Office of Liturgical Celebrations of the Pope .
It may be mentioned that though the pope made the objective error in the book by Peter Seewald in none of the magisterial documents, including those issued by Cardinal Ratzinger and then Pope Benedict XVI, is it said that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us personally or that they are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.No magisterial text including that of Vatican Council II makes this error.
-Lionel Andrades
_______________________________________

There is no reference text in Vatican Council II contrary to the SSPX position on other religions, ecumenism
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/there-is-no-ref…

CONDITIONS FOR THE SSPX TO 'ENTER THE CHURCH'
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/conditions-for-…

There could soon be an 'ecclesial rupture' because the Vatican does not want to say that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II.
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/there-could-soo…

CATHOLICS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD PRAYED TODAY FOR 'HERETICS AND SCHISMATICS': DIVINE MERCY NOVENA
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/catholics-throu…

VATICAN-SSPX NEED TO CALL TIME OUT: ERROR IN LIGHT OF THE WORLD DIRECTLY LINKED TO DIFFERENCES IN ECUMENISM, INTER-RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE, RELIGIOUS LIBERTY WHICH MSGR.NICOLA BUX MENTIONED
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/vatican-sspx-ne…

HOLY FATHER ASSUMES THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE KNOWN TO US: CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL I AND II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/holy-father-ass…

HOLY FATHER MAKES AN OBJECTIVE ERROR IN WRITING
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/holy-father-mak…

The Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ says Nostra Aetate 4,Vatican Council II
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/jewish-authorit…

DID THE POPE REALLY DENY THE FAITH ON THE NEED FOR JEWS TO CONVERT ?
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/did-pope-really…

ANIVERSARY OF THE DENIAL OF THE FAITH BY THE MAGISTERIUM ?
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/…/aniversary-of-d…
Lionel Andrades

Society of St. Pius X “Regularization” Not as Easy as You Think

Thursday, April 12, 2012

There is no reference text in Vatican Council II contrary to the SSPX position on other religions, ecumenism

Only God can judge invincible ignorance, a good conscience and the presence of 'seeds of the Word 'so they are not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Cardinal Luiz Ladaria is wrong to cite these texts as opposing exclusive salvation in the …More
Thursday, April 12, 2012

There is no reference text in Vatican Council II contrary to the SSPX position on other religions, ecumenism

Only God can judge invincible ignorance, a good conscience and the presence of 'seeds of the Word 'so they are not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Cardinal Luiz Ladaria is wrong to cite these texts as opposing exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
We often get the pitch of ‘the reforms’ of Vatican Council II from the Jewish Left and if you oppose them, correct them, then they call you anti Semitic. That’s Pastor Ted Pikes experience with the ADL. The ADL’s ‘reforms of Vatican Council II ‘ propaganda has no citations from the Council. There are no reference texts, it’s just a political slogan.
The 'reforms of Vatican Council II' seem to have been cited in the failed Vatican- SSPX talks. Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, who represented the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) ,in the talks, had to reject the SSPX position on ecumenism and other religions. Since he believes that no more, is there exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.It ended for him after Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
He has made this clear in the International Theological Commission’s (ITC) website and it is still there for anyone to check it.
Cardinal Ladaria will cite Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance/ good conscience) as being an exception to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. He does not realize that only God can judge invincible ignorance and a good conscience. We do not know any such case in the present times (2012).Since we do not know any such person it does not contradict the teaching of exclusive salvation being there in only the Catholic Church.
So he cannot cite invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) as being explicit exceptions to outside the church no salvation. Yet this is what he did and he rejected the SSPX position on ecumenism, other religions, religious liberty etc.
He considered LG 16 as a valid citation from Vatican Council II to reject exclusive salvation and the SSPX position on ecumenism, inter religious dialogue etc. The same could be said about other quotations from Vatican Council II, ‘elements of sanctification’(LG 8) and ‘seeds of the Word’ etc.
The SSPX accepts as a possibility that a non Catholic can be saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience and it would be known only to God. One can only accept it as a possibility since defacto ( in reality) we cannot know any such case.It is only known in Heaven.
The CDF needs to issue a clarification regarding this widespread error.
Common sense tells us that there are no citations in Vatican Council II which contradict the SSPX position on ecumenism, inter religious dialogue, religious liberty etc.
If there is an ‘ecclesial rupture’ because the SSPX is faithful to the doctrines of the Catholic Church and the CDF does not have any relevant citations from Vatican Council II-then this would be an injustice against the SSPX and all loyal, faithful Catholics.
It would be assumed that the ‘ecclesial rupture’ is politically motivated , one of the ‘reforms of Vatican Council II ‘.
-Lionel Andrades
Lionel Andrades

Society of St. Pius X “Regularization” Not as Easy as You Think

I have been asked if the SSPX should enter the Church with full canonical status by accepting Vatican Council II.

I think that the SSPX should ‘enter the Church’ after the following clarifications.

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There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II.

1. The Jewish Left liberal interpretation.

2. The interpretation in accord with Tradition and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

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I have been asked if the SSPX should enter the Church with full canonical status by accepting Vatican Council II.

I think that the SSPX should ‘enter the Church’ after the following clarifications.

1.


There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II.

1. The Jewish Left liberal interpretation.

2. The interpretation in accord with Tradition and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) should reject the first interpretation of Vatican Council II and accept the second one.

2.
The SSPX should clarify that we do not know any case of a non Catholic in 2011-2012 who is saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience, the seeds of the Word etc. So there is nothing in Vatican Council II which contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

There are no explicit exceptions and the Church has not retracted this dogma which Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible ‘statement (Letter of the Holy Office 1949).

3.

The SSPX agrees that a non Catholic can be saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. The SSPX accepts this possibility.

Since the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 also menionted this possibility the SSPX can endorse implicit baptism of desire and implicit invincible ignorance, known only to God, along with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

There is no text in Vatican Council II or the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which contradicts the exclusive interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus .

Since there is exclusive salvation in the only the Catholic Church (Cantate Domino, Council of Florence) and this teaching is not contradicted by LG 16 etc, the SSPX maintains its position on ecumenism, other religions and dialogue. It is in agreement also with Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

So the SSPX is affirming Vatican Council II in accord with Tradition and the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and there is nothing in Vatican Council II or the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma.

(Note: The Letter does not state that Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy. It mentions disobedience. The Church lifted the excommunication without him having to recant. The Letter mentions ‘the dogma’. The dogma indicates all non Catholics need to enter the Church to avoid the fires of Hell (Cantate Domino).So the Letter supports Fr. Leonard Feeney here.)

If the cardinals who issued the Letter assumed that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are explicitly known to us then it was an objective error on their part. We don’t know these cases.

SUMMARY

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The SSPX should announce that they would accept Vatican Council II interpreted according to Tradition and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and with reference texts from Vatican Council lI. They reject the liberal version of Vatican Council which has no supportive texts, since we do not know cases saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, seeds of the Word etc.

2. Since Vatican Council II does not mention any explicitly known exceptions to the defined dogma extra eclesiam nulla salus and Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council, the exclusive salvation interpretation of the dogma still stands. So the SSPX does not have to change its traditional position on ecumenism, other religions, inter religious dialogue, religious liberty.

Once these two points are clarified other aspects of Vatican Council II can be interpreted according to Tradition and as Pope Benedict XVI has said, that the Council is not a break from tradition but a continuity.-Lionel Andrades
Lionel Andrades

Father Cekada + Errors Of The Society Of St. Pius X

Wednesday, April 11, 2012

There could soon be an 'ecclesial rupture' because the Vatican does not want to say that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II.

If the pope does not know personally of non Catholics saved in 2012 in invincible ignorance and when Vatican Council II does not make this claim of knowing explicit cases in real life how can the magisterium reject the SSPX …More
Wednesday, April 11, 2012

There could soon be an 'ecclesial rupture' because the Vatican does not want to say that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II.

If the pope does not know personally of non Catholics saved in 2012 in invincible ignorance and when Vatican Council II does not make this claim of knowing explicit cases in real life how can the magisterium reject the SSPX doctrinal position on other religions, ecumenism and dialogue?

The SSPX (Society of St.Pius X) is not obliged to accept an interpretation of Vatican Council II with no supporting text on ecumenism and inter religious dialogue. Nowhere does Vatican Council II say Judaism is a path to salvation or that Jews are saved in general in their religion. Instead the Magisterium is unable to say in public that Vatican Council II (AG 7) says Judaism and other religions are not paths to salvation and that Catholics are the Chosen People of God (NA 4).

Why does the SSPX have to accept Vatican Council II when the pope and his Curia will not affirm Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II?

The Holy Father is not proclaiming the Faith for political reasons and the falsehood and lies are being repeated by thousands of Catholics to protect their self interest or due to ignorance.
There could soon be an 'ecclesial rupture' because the Vatican does not want to say that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II. One according to the text of Vatican Council II and the other due to political necessity and survival and with no references from Vatican Council II text.
I repeat - Vatican Council II does not mention a visible baptism of desire or known- to- us- in- Heaven-cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience or seeds of the Word. So there is no doctrinal basis for rejecting the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II. SSPX was in agreement with Vatican Council II on ecumenism, inter religious dialogue and religious liberty in the Vatican-SSPX failed talks.
The Vatican needs to clarify in public if they know any case of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance, the seeds of the Word and a good conscience.
If the answer is No then they should permit the SSPC not to accept Vatican Council II (Jewish Left version) - with the Vatican agreeing to clarify the issue over time.

Catholics should sign petitions and place advertisements in the newspapers asking a politically oriented Curia how can those saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience in the year 2012, be explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so how can the SSPX position on ecumenism and inter religious dialogue be wrong?
Catechism Teachers should ask the Vatican how can they excommunicate the SSPX for affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (in accord with Vatican Council II) when there is no contradicting text in Vatican Council II to reject the SSPX position on other religions?
Religious communities ask the Vatican why you all cannot accept the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also implicit baptism of desire and invincible ignorance. Until this issue is settled there should not be an 'ecclesial rupture' with the SSPX.

Assuming Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for denying invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire (and he was not!) you can go ahead and affirm implicit invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and also the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
Catholic religious communities who attend the Novus Ordo Mass why cannot you accept the literal interpretation of extra ecclesism nulla salus and also implicit baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance implicitly,this being known only to God ?
It is the magisterium's doctrinal position which is irrational and contrary to common sense? SSPX please ask the Vatican spokesman if he actually knows any case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance. Is there a visible baptism of desire?
If the pope does not know of any person saved in invincible ignorance and now in Heaven and when Vatican Council II does not make this claim of knowing in real life explicit cases inHeaven, how can the magisterium reject the SSPX doctrinal position on other religions, ecumenism and dialogue?
Even though the SSPX rejects Vatican Council II (Jewish Left version) they should start talking with the Vatican in terms of Vatican Council II: ask the Vatican Curia to cite texts in Vatican Council II which contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
Also, how can the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J , as the former President of the International Theological Commission (ITC) reject the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Nicene Creed, Vatican Council II (AG 7) and still offer Holy Mass ?.This heresy can be viewed on the ITC’s website.

When the pope says in Light of the World (Ignatius) p.107 that all who are saved are saved through Jesus we must note it has two meanings.
1. All who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church and this is our general Catholic belief, which we accept.There is no controversy here.
2. However the theological meaning is that all who are saved are saved either in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, and the baptism of desire etc or with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.
Then the pope also says in Light of the Wolrd p.107 that there is only ‘one channel’ of salvation. he says there is only one way of salvation. implying the one mentioned above.
This is false theologically since the one channel of salvation in the Catholic Church has always been through Jesus in the Catholic Church. We don’t know any case of a non Catholic saved invincible ignorance etc as the pope would wrongly assume.
When the pope makes an objective, factual error one can expect the rest of the Church to be confused or in error.
I ask Catholic priests these questions and they do not answer. Some say they do not know the answer and others say that they have not specialized in this or that.When I ask them if I can record their answer with my camera they say no.They will agree that one needs to proclaim the Faith and not be ashamed of it.-Lionel Andrades
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Lionel Andrades

Father Cekada + Errors Of The Society Of St. Pius X

Sunday, April 1, 2012

NO NEED FOR ‘SECRET TALKS’ ANYMORE: WE KNOW THE HERETICAL POSITION OF THE VATICAN NEGOTIATORS

The International Theological Commission theological papers expose the cardinal and bishop’s teaching on visible baptism of desire and their rejection of the dogma and Vatican Council II text.
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Sunday, April 1, 2012

NO NEED FOR ‘SECRET TALKS’ ANYMORE: WE KNOW THE HERETICAL POSITION OF THE VATICAN NEGOTIATORS

The International Theological Commission theological papers expose the cardinal and bishop’s teaching on visible baptism of desire and their rejection of the dogma and Vatican Council II text.
May be its unintentional heresy. Let us give them the benefit of the doubt, but heresy it is.
In the hierarchy of truths we are all obliged to believe in the Creed. In the Nicene Creed we pray ‘I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin.’ It means the baptism of water is needed for all. All means no known exceptions in the present time.This teaching is expressed in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and it comes from Jesus’ teaching (John 3:5, Mk.15:15-16).
Perhaps as an oversight , two of the members of the Vatican team who participated in the discussion with the SSPX representatives, believe invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are explicit, known,defacto exceptions to the dogma and the Nicene Creed. They believe they are explicit exceptions to the need of the baptism of water being needed for salvation for all.We know that the Catholic Church gives the baptism of water to adults with Catholic Faith.The Vatican team is saying that not all adults need the baptism of water since there are some who are saved or will be saved in invincible ignorance etc. Irrational ? However this is their official position on the ITC website.
Invincible ignorance etc are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the former President International Theologcial Commission (ITC), Cardinal Luis Ladaria S.J and the former Secretary of the ITC, Bishop. Charles Morerod O.P.(former Rector of the Angelicum University,Rome).

They allege that Vatican Council II (LG 16) shows there are known exceptions.Discerning Catholics know that we do not know anyone saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire.This was the error of the Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits there.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 addressed to the Archbishop of Boston does not state that we know cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance or an “unconscious yearning” or desire and that these cases are exceptions to the dogma.
However Cadinal Ladaria, Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and past President of the ITC has assumed that being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are explicit, known exceptions to the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
This is an objective, factual error. We do not know any such case .No Vatican magisterial document makes this claim.
It is this error and interpretation of Vatican Council II that the Congergation for the Doctrine of the Faith expected the SSPX team to accept in closed door, secret talks.
The heretical position of two of the Vatican negotiators is now known to us through their writings in the ITC papers and is available on the Vatican website of the ITC.

They may say in public that they accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also Vatican Council II. However if they assume that invincible ignorance,having a good conscience and the baptism of desire are explicit exceptions to the dogma and Ad Gentes 7 then it is irrational-and also a rejection of the centuries old interpretation of the dogma.
It is the Secretary of the CDF who is rejecting Vatican Council II (AG 7) and he expects the SSPX and all Catholics to endorse his heretical version of Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance).
It is saying there is salvation outside the church since we allegedly know cases of those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire.

Whatever be ones position on Fr.Leonard Feeney, mentioned by the ITC, objectively we know there are no known cases of the baptism of desire or persons saved in invincible ignorance.So there cannot be a known exception to the dogma.To claim one knows particular exeptions is heresy. It is also irrational.
A Catholic cannot reject in public an ex cathedra dogma and then also hold the office of a cardinal and bishop as in the case of Cardinal Ladaria and Bishop Morerod.According to Canon Law priests, bishops and cardinals who hold an office in the Church need to accept those teachings which have to be ‘firmly believed’.(Dominus Iesus).
Now it is no more a secret to Catholics that it is the CDF Secretary who needs to affirm Vatican Council II, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted for centuries ( and in accord now with Vatican Council II ) and Lumen Gentium 16, not being an explicit exception to the dogma and Ad Gentes 7.
Its unfortunate that the Vatican has annonced that the SSPX has to regularise its canonical status by accepting not just Vatican Council II as an historical event (which the SSPX does) but that they need to accept the heretical interpretation of the Vatican team approved by the CDF for secret talks with the SSPX.-Lionel Andrades

NO CANON LAW OBLIGES THE SSPX TO ACCEPT THE JEWISH LEFT VERSION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II
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Cardinal Luis Ladaria S.J Secretary Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith does away with the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Limbo and Original Sin in the International Theological Commission position papers: CDF expects the Society of St.Pius X to accept all this
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Mnsgr.Nicola Bux the SSPX in reality accepts Vatican Council II
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International Theological Commission (ITC) makes an objective, factual error in two of its published documents. Could they also be wrong about Limbo?
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VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
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INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION USES PREMISE THAT IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT : LIMBO
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The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS

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VATICAN COUNCIL II REJECTS THE THEOLOGY OF RELIGIONS

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Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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Lionel Andrades

Society of St. Pius X “Regularization” Not as Easy as You Think

Ireneas.
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria the former President of the International Theological Commission(ITC) in two of the position papers on the ITC website claims that the Church no more teaches exclusive salvation with reference to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He cites Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office.

Cardinal Ladaria took part in the Vatican-SSPX talks.

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Ireneas.
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria the former President of the International Theological Commission(ITC) in two of the position papers on the ITC website claims that the Church no more teaches exclusive salvation with reference to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He cites Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office.

Cardinal Ladaria took part in the Vatican-SSPX talks.

Then Pope Benedict XVI in Light of the World (Ignatius) p.107 also suggests that there can be exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So it is understandable why they reject the SSPX position on ecumenism,inter-religious dialogue and other religions.

They believe that there are explicit exceptions to the dogma.

So the point I was trying to make is that being saved in invincible ignorance and having a good conscience (LG 16) etc is not an exception to the dogma. Since we do not know any of these cases in real life.

Since there are no exceptions to the dogma how can the Vatican object to the SSPX position on ecumenism and other religions?


International Theological Commission (ITC) makes an objective, factual error in two of its published documents. Could they also be wrong about Limbo?
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VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
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INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION USES PREMISE THAT IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT : LIMBO
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The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS

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VATICAN COUNCIL II REJECTS THE THEOLOGY OF RELIGIONS

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Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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Lionel Andrades

Society of St. Pius X “Regularization” Not as Easy as You Think

Wednesday, April 11, 2012
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Society of St. Pius X “Regularization” Not as Easy as You Think

Wednesday, April 11, 2012

There could soon be an 'ecclesial rupture' because the Vatican does not want to say that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II.

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Wednesday, April 11, 2012

There could soon be an 'ecclesial rupture' because the Vatican does not want to say that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II.

If the pope does not know personally of non Catholics saved in 2012 in invincible ignorance and when Vatican Council II does not make this claim of knowing explicit cases in real life how can the magisterium reject the SSPX doctrinal position on other religions, ecumenism and dialogue?

The SSPX (Society of St.Pius X) is not obliged to accept an interpretation of Vatican Council II with no supporting text on ecumenism and inter religious dialogue. Nowhere does Vatican Council II say Judaism is a path to salvation or that Jews are saved in general in their religion. Instead the Magisterium is unable to say in public that Vatican Council II (AG 7) says Judaism and other religions are not paths to salvation and that Catholics are the Chosen People of God (NA 4).

Why does the SSPX have to accept Vatican Council II when the pope and his Curia will not affirm Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II?
The Holy Father is not proclaiming the Faith for political reasons and the falsehood and lies are being repeated by thousands of Catholics to protect their self interest or due to ignorance.
There could soon be an 'ecclesial rupture' because the Vatican does not want to say that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II. One according to the text of Vatican Council II and the other due to political necessity and survival and with no references from Vatican Council II text.
I repeat - Vatican Council II does not mention a visible baptism of desire or known- to- us- in- Heaven-cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience or seeds of the Word. So there is no doctrinal basis for rejecting the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II. SSPX was in agreement with Vatican Council II on ecumenism, inter religious dialogue and religious liberty in the Vatican-SSPX failed talks.
The Vatican needs to clarify in public if they know any case of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance, the seeds of the Word and a good conscience.
If the answer is No then they should permit the SSPC not to accept Vatican Council II (Jewish Left version) - with the Vatican agreeing to clarify the issue over time.

Catholics should sign petitions and place advertisements in the newspapers asking a politically oriented Curia how can those saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience in the year 2012, be explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and so how can the SSPX position on ecumenism and inter religious dialogue be wrong?
Catechism Teachers should ask the Vatican how can they excommunicate the SSPX for affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (in accord with Vatican Council II) when there is no contradicting text in Vatican Council II to reject the SSPX position on other religions?
Religious communities ask the Vatican why you all cannot accept the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also implicit baptism of desire and invincible ignorance. Until this issue is settled there should not be an 'ecclesial rupture' with the SSPX.

Assuming Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for denying invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire (and he was not!) you can go ahead and affirm implicit invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and also the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus?
Catholic religious communities who attend the Novus Ordo Mass why cannot you accept the literal interpretation of extra ecclesism nulla salus and also implicit baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance implicitly,this being known only to God ?
It is the magisterium's doctrinal position which is irrational and contrary to common sense? SSPX please ask the Vatican spokesman if he actually knows any case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance. Is there a visible baptism of desire?
If the pope does not know of any person saved in invincible ignorance and now in Heaven and when Vatican Council II does not make this claim of knowing in real life explicit cases inHeaven, how can the magisterium reject the SSPX doctrinal position on other religions, ecumenism and dialogue?
Even though the SSPX rejects Vatican Council II (Jewish Left version) they should start talking with the Vatican in terms of Vatican Council II: ask the Vatican Curia to cite texts in Vatican Council II which contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
Also, how can the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J , as the former President of the International Theological Commission (ITC) reject the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Nicene Creed, Vatican Council II (AG 7) and still offer Holy Mass ?.This heresy can be viewed on the ITC’s website.

When the pope says in Light of the World (Ignatius) p.107 that all who are saved are saved through Jesus we must note it has two meanings.
1. All who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church and this is our general Catholic belief, which we accept.There is no controversy here.
2. However the theological meaning is that all who are saved are saved either in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, and the baptism of desire etc or with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.
Then the pope also says in Light of the Wolrd p.107 that there is only ‘one channel’ of salvation. he says there is only one way of salvation. implying the one mentioned above.
This is false theologically since the one channel of salvation in the Catholic Church has always been through Jesus in the Catholic Church. We don’t know any case of a non Catholic saved invincible ignorance etc as the pope would wrongly assume.
When the pope makes an objective, factual error one can expect the rest of the Church to be confused or in error.
I ask Catholic priests these questions and they do not answer. Some say they do not know the answer and others say that they have not specialized in this or that.When I ask them if I can record their answer with my camera they say no.They will agree that one needs to proclaim the Faith and not be ashamed of it.-Lionel Andrades
Lionel Andrades

Father Cekada + Errors Of The Society Of St. Pius X

Monday, April 9, 2012

HOLY FATHER MAKES AN OBJECTIVE ERROR IN WRITING

Excommunicated priests could cry foul: Members of the SSPX need to appeal to the pope to affirm Vatican Council II (AG 7) in public.
It’s all there in writing.Dissent from a religious. Not a liberal priest or bishop, but Our Holy Father the pope himself.
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Monday, April 9, 2012

HOLY FATHER MAKES AN OBJECTIVE ERROR IN WRITING

Excommunicated priests could cry foul: Members of the SSPX need to appeal to the pope to affirm Vatican Council II (AG 7) in public.
It’s all there in writing.Dissent from a religious. Not a liberal priest or bishop, but Our Holy Father the pope himself.
It’s hard to believe. It was something that was a suspicion for a long time but there was no proof.Now the pope has made an error and put it in writing. He can no more stay behind the secret, confidential memos and telephone calls or cardinal - bishop proxies.
The pope’s error is not ex cathedra but it is a public error contradicting the ex cathedra statements of popes and Church Councils but worse still, to would seem for some, it’s a common sense error.
Perhaps it was inadvertant and no ill will was intended.Let us give our Holy Father the benefit of the doubt.
The error, among other things, shows that the Vatican is in no position to demand that the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) accept Vatican Council II (Jewish Left version) when the pope himself is rejecting Vatican Council II , Ad Gentes 7 and misunderstanding Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.(1)
The SSPX on April 15, the deadline for their response to the March 16 Vatican statement, should ask the pope or the Vatican spokesman, to clarify their position on AG 7 and LG 16 and the factual error made by the pope in writing.
How can there be ‘an ecclesial rupture of painful and incalculable consequences’ when the Vatican itself cannot affirm Vatican Council II according to common sense, reason and simple objectivity.

Here’s the problem for all to see:

The Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI tells Peter Seewald in the book Light of the World- Conversations with Peter Seewald (Ignatius) that there is only one way of salvation and all who are saved are saved through Jesus.
This is a simple statement and acceptable. All good Catholics can agree with the Holy Father.He implies that all non Catholics are saved with the baptsm of water and Catholic Faith or, in invincible ignorance,a good conscience and other implicit forms of salvation known only to God and unknown to us.
So this is the one way of salvation.
But there is a problem here and it may not show itself unless you think it through.

The Holy Father is saying that the one way of salvation is not just Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (AG 7, Vatican Council II) but also being saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16, Vatican Council II) etc.
So when AG 7 states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water the Holy Father says “No, Not all.”- the exceptions are those who are in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc and are saved. There are exceptions.
There are exceptions to AG 7 ?
Did Vatican Council II make a mistake?

Is Vatican Council II irrational, illogical ?
How can Vatican Council II like the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus say all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water ?
Something is wrong, somewhere?!
Now we come to the heart of the problem.The Richard Cushing Error.The objective flaw. And the Holy Father also fell for it.
It’s simple. It’s so simple that many will not believe it.
We don’t know anyone on earth saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience.
Objectively we don’t know anyone in this category.They are in Heaven and are known only to God.
So the one way of salvation is not all who are saved through Jesus and the Church as the Holy Father told Peter Seewald.
The pope assumes that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us and so they are an exception to AG 7.He also assumes that LG 16 refers to explicitly known cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and with a good conscience.
This is an objective, factual error. We cannot meet or telephone someone saved in invincible ignorance. So it is not an explicit, defacto exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the centuries-old one way of salvation for all.
So when the Vatican asks the SSPX to affirm Vatican Council II the SSPX should ask the Vatican to clarify LG 16 and AG 7, what is the Vatican’s position on this objective error of the pope?
Ask the Vatican spokesman if he knows anyone personally saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience.
Catholic priests in Rome, to whom I have asked this question, say they don’t know a single such case.- Lionel Andrades
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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church’s preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself “by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.- Ad Gentes 7

This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14

Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.-Lumen Gentium 16
Lionel Andrades

Society of St. Pius X “Regularization” Not as Easy as You Think

Monday, April 9, 2012

HOLY FATHER MAKES AN OBJECTIVE ERROR IN WRITING

Excommunicated priests could cry foul: Members of the SSPX need to appeal to the pope to affirm Vatican Council II (AG 7) in public.

It’s all there in writing.Dissent from a religious. Not a liberal priest or bishop, but Our Holy Father the pope himself.

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Monday, April 9, 2012

HOLY FATHER MAKES AN OBJECTIVE ERROR IN WRITING

Excommunicated priests could cry foul: Members of the SSPX need to appeal to the pope to affirm Vatican Council II (AG 7) in public.

It’s all there in writing.Dissent from a religious. Not a liberal priest or bishop, but Our Holy Father the pope himself.

It’s hard to believe. It was something that was a suspicion for a long time but there was no proof.Now the pope has made an error and put it in writing. He can no more stay behind the secret, confidential memos and telephone calls or cardinal - bishop proxies.

The pope’s error is not ex cathedra but it is a public error contradicting the ex cathedra statements of popes and Church Councils but worse still, to would seem for some, it’s a common sense error.

Perhaps it was inadvertant and no ill will was intended.Let us give our Holy Father the benefit of the doubt.

The error, among other things, shows that the Vatican is in no position to demand that the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) accept Vatican Council II (Jewish Left version) when the pope himself is rejecting Vatican Council II , Ad Gentes 7 and misunderstanding Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.(1)

The SSPX on April 15, the deadline for their response to the March 16 Vatican statement, should ask the pope or the Vatican spokesman, to clarify their position on AG 7 and LG 16 and the factual error made by the pope in writing.

How can there be ‘an ecclesial rupture of painful and incalculable consequences’ when the Vatican itself cannot affirm Vatican Council II according to common sense, reason and simple objectivity.

Here’s the problem for all to see:

The Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI tells Peter Seewald in the book Light of the World- Conversations with Peter Seewald (Ignatius) that there is only one way of salvation and all who are saved are saved through Jesus.

This is a simple statement and acceptable. All good Catholics can agree with the Holy Father.He implies that all non Catholics are saved with the baptsm of water and Catholic Faith or, in invincible ignorance,a good conscience and other implicit forms of salvation known only to God and unknown to us.

So this is the one way of salvation.

But there is a problem here and it may not show itself unless you think it through.

The Holy Father is saying that the one way of salvation is not just Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (AG 7, Vatican Council II) but also being saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16, Vatican Council II) etc.

So when AG 7 states all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water the Holy Father says “No, Not all.”- the exceptions are those who are in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc and are saved. There are exceptions.

There are exceptions to AG 7 ?

Did Vatican Council II make a mistake?


Is Vatican Council II irrational, illogical ?

How can Vatican Council II like the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus say all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water ?

Something is wrong, somewhere?!

Now we come to the heart of the problem.The Richard Cushing Error.The objective flaw. And the Holy Father also fell for it.

It’s simple. It’s so simple that many will not believe it.

We don’t know anyone on earth saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience.

Objectively we don’t know anyone in this category.They are in Heaven and are known only to God.

So the one way of salvation is not all who are saved through Jesus and the Church as the Holy Father told Peter Seewald.

The pope assumes that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us and so they are an exception to AG 7.He also assumes that LG 16 refers to explicitly known cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and with a good conscience.

This is an objective, factual error. We cannot meet or telephone someone saved in invincible ignorance. So it is not an explicit, defacto exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the centuries-old one way of salvation for all.

So when the Vatican asks the SSPX to affirm Vatican Council II the SSPX should ask the Vatican to clarify LG 16 and AG 7, what is the Vatican’s position on this objective error of the pope?

Ask the Vatican spokesman if he knows anyone personally saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience.

Catholic priests in Rome, to whom I have asked this question, say they don’t know a single such case.- Lionel Andrades

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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church’s preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself “by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.- Ad Gentes 7

This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14

Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.-Lumen Gentium 16