WEAVER:

And your trying to distance yourself, from Pope Michael, Weaver. Let me ask you something, Weaver. When was the LAST TIME, YOU MASTURBATED? To a national Geographic Magazine? When was the Last time, you looked at a woman in Lust?! YOUR A HYPOCRIT, WEAVER. YOUR ACTUALLY ATTACKING JPII FOR his attempt to dialog, with other religions, but yet, you probably, almost assuredly, had NEVER HONESTLY, CONFESSED TO YOUR PRIEST, HOW MANY TIMES, YOU HAVE MASTURBATED, LOOKING AT GIRLY MAGAZINES. YOUR A HYPOCRIT, WEAVER. Your an absolute embarrassment, to the Catholic Church!!! YOUR NOT CATHOLIC, your a Protestant HYPOCRIT. And you definitely, have a knew nickname. Pope Michael Weaver.

Weaver:
Let me guess, Weaver, your accusing the Blessed Pope of something Scandalous, for accepting graciously, an invitation, of a traveling Acrobat show... to entertain him, and the Church?! This is exactly what is SO WRONG, with your movement WEAVER. YOUR an absolute Protestant Anti-Catholic Weaver. I think you should post, Jack Chick Cartoons, or go join, the half dozen Facebook Groups, entitles, Catholicism is Unbiblical, Catholicism is Evil, or NO CATHOLICS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, and join in with the VERY ANTI-CATHOLIC PROTESTANTS, just like yourself, that take, a harmless circus act, and make it into something its NOT!

NOW WHY DON'T WE GET REAL....who shall I side with, this Saint, or YOU! WEAVER, your the ONE thats and Embarrassment, to the Catholic Church, NOT Pope John Paul II, who; in Charity is, accepted a performing circus to entertain the Church! AGAIN, Weaver, in your VERY...TWISTED, sense of Self-Righteousness, you are tying to convince us, your MORE CATHOLIC THAN THE POPE! I have a knew nickname for you. Pope Michael Weaver. Your JUST AS FOOLISH AS POPE MICHAEL....

So lets see???!!!! Shall we follow, Pope Michael Weaver, OR

SAINT PADRE PIO—On Humanae vitae & Vatican II
Your Holiness,
I unite myself with my brothers and present at your feet my affectionate respect, all my devotion to your august person in an act of faith, love and obedience to the dignity of Him whom your are representing on this earth. The Capuchin Order has always been the first in the first line of love, fidelity, obedience and devotion to the Holy See; I pray to God that it may remain thus and continue its tradition of religious seriousness and austerity, evangelical poverty and faithful observance of the Rule and Constitution, certainly renewing itself in the vitality and in the inner spirit, according to the guides of the Second Vatican Council, in order to be always ready to attend to the necessities of Mother Church under the rule of your Holiness.
I know that your heart is suffering much these days in the interest of the Church, for the peace of the world, but above all, for the lack of obedience of some, even Catholics, to the teachings that you, assisted by the Holy Spirit and in the name of God, are giving us. I offer you my prayers and daily sufferings as a small but sincere contribution on the part of the least of your sons in order that God may give you comfort with His grace to follow the straight and painful way in the defense of eternal truth, which never changes with the passing of years. Also, in the name of my spiritual children and the Prayer Groups, I thank you for your clear and decisive words that you especially pronounced in the last encyclical, Humanae vitae; and I reaffirm my faith, my unconditional obedience to your illuminated directions.
May God grant victory to the truth, peace to his Church, tranquility to the world, health and prosperity to your Holiness so that, once these fleeting doubts are dissipated, the Kingdom of God will triumph in all hearts, guided by your apostolic work as Supreme Pontiff of all Christianity.
Prostrate at your feet, I pray you to bless me in the company of my brothers in religion, my spiritual children, the Prayer Groups, my sick ones and also bless all our good endeavors which we are trying to fulfill under your protection in the name of Jesus.
Humbly yours,
P. Pio, Capuchin

WAKE UP WEAVER....

Mr. koala you've just lost your conversion opportunities by making bizarre statements. People can now see the psychosis of sedevacantism in your meltdown. It was going so well and then what happened?-A koala bear starts talking about backrubs? Jim Condit Jr. is definately not going to want the likes of you in his corner for a sedevacantist example. A koala bear who starts "getting gay" is not a selling point to those questioning their belief systems.

Weaver: Whats so comical Weaver, if it wasn't so sad, and dangerous, is you absolutely fail to grasp, GREAT SAINTS, like St. Padre Pio, left this life, in absolute Loyalty, and Obedience, to the New Mass, and Vatican II. This is what separates, the TRUE CATHOLICS, FROM THE HERETICS. YOU MIGHT "THINK" your a true Catholic, as you pound on the Tradional Drums. But the very second you step over the line, and make a very foolish mistake, that YOUR MORE CATHOLIC THAN THE POPE, AND THE POPE IS A HERESTIC, you instantly, start heading down these tracks.

"The Pope is the supreme legislator in the Church. In an Apostolic Letter which he issued motu proprio (on his own initiative) he declared that Mons. Lefebvre and the priests Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta, have incurred the grave penalty of excommunication envisaged by ecclesiastical law. (Cf. Code of Canon Law, can. 1382)...While the priests of the Society of St. Pius X are validly ordained, they are also suspended a divinis..While it is true that participation in the Mass at the chapels of the Society of St. Pius X does not of itself constitute "formal adherence to the schism", such adherence can come about over a period of time as one slowly imbibes a schismatic mentality which separates itself from the teaching of the Supreme Pontiff and the entire Catholic Church classically exemplified in A Rome and Econe Handbook..." Mgr Camille Perl.

The Flat Earth Society and SSPX Type 'Traditionalists'
Many Catholics who love sacred tradition and who abhor the abuses which have so often characterized the immediate post-conciliar era have had at one time or another to wrestle with the response of the Society of St. Pius X and similar groups to this crisis. The piety and liturgical correctness of the SSPX proved a potent seduction. But, as the Greek schism showed, we may have all piety and beautiful liturgy, even martyrs who pour out their blood for Christ, but if we stray from the dogmatic certainties and parameters of the Church, schism remains schism. We do not doubt anyone's good intentions, but where Church dogma and the Promises of Christ to His visible Church until the end of time are concerned (Mt. 28:20) , good intentions, piety, and liturgical perfection are not sufficient. When we wash away from the Rock who is Peter we descend into a labyrinth of errors, exaggeration and imbalance. It took many of us a long time to see our way clear through these issues. But a veritable army of laymen and priests has left and are leaving those ranks. We pray that many more will see their way clear to safer ground and begin fighting the real fight today---- against the Culture of Death." Stephen Hand, Traditional Catholic Resources Note.

An Open Letter To Confused 'traditionalists'
"In the interests of elucidating what a genuine "traditional" theology means, TCR continues its analysis of the Society of St. Pius X, convinced that any theology which attributes serious error or heresy to the magisterium is---by definition---outside the parameters of Catholic doctrine, whether they be drum-beating liberals or High Mass SSPX'ers. The Society of St. Pius X prints books with pictures of the Pope peering like a demon (Cf. their Johannes Dormann books). The theology behind such schemes must be scrutinized. Many of us had to learn the hard way. We wish to make it easier for others. John Loughnan has done the Church an important service." Stephen Hand, Traditional Catholic Resources Note.

In Christ Ross
WAKE UP WEAVER....

Weaver: “You fail to see that the Church clearly teaches that popes can mislead the Church, and still retain their office.”—So you are saying they are--misleading? Are you saying they can change Church doctrine and infallible teachings---as some of the V2 documents do?

As usual, Weaver, your seizing anything you can, and running with it. AND TAKING IT OUT OF CONTEXT. What that says, is this! EVEN IF, a Pope, DOES mislead the Church, they still retain their office, which means, in the case of Vatican II, the door is open for reform! Which is whats happening. What you nut cases fail to understand, IS THE CHURCH HAS BEEN IN SERIOUS TROUBLE IN THE PAST, WITHOUT FALLING INTO TOTAL HERESY, WHAT DID THE LORD, SAY TO ST. FRANSIS OF ASSISI...HE TOLD THE GREAT SAINT, TO RE-BUILD HIS CHURCH....DUH....all great Saints, like ASSISI, AND Pope Benedict XVI, are reformers. And all total losers, are herestics, that leave the Church, and say, incredibly, arrogant, and evil things like this...."All these (pre Pope John XXIII) Popes have resisted the union of the Church with the revolution; it is an adulterous union and from such a union only bastards can come. The rite of the new mass is a bastard rite, the sacraments are bastard sacraments. We no longer know if they are sacraments which give grace or do not give it. The priests coming out of the seminaries are bastard priests, who do not know what they are. They are unaware that they are made to go up to the altar, to offer the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ and to give Jesus Christ to souls." "An Open Letter To Confused Catholics", by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

SO AS USUAL, WEAVER...your doing nothing more, than taking the VERY PROTESTANT APPROACH....

R. Sungenis: In closing, the Dimond Brothers have shown their incompetence throughout this discussion. Their left hand doesn’t know what their right hand is doing. They claim to obey one set of Church teachings, yet they flatly deny another set, and all this by their own personal judgment which they esteem so highly.
The Dimond Brothers have simply failed to make the proper distinctions, and unfortunately for them, the Catholic religion is all about making the proper distinctions. So many people in history have fallen by the wayside by what appears to be contradictory teaching from the Church, but that is a trap that the devil sets for them.
The Dimond Brothers hold that Vatican II contradicts previous Church teaching, but that is only because they neither understand previous teaching nor understand Vatican II. We saw this quite easily in the Dimond Brothers’ opening remarks in which they attempted to list 10 heresies of Vatican II, their best shot at proving their point, but they utterly failed. The best that can be concluded is that Vatican II has some ambiguous statements, but that is far from being in formal heresy.
The truth is that the Dimond Brothers are promoting heresy, and they are seeking to separate people from the Catholic Church by appearing as if they are supporting the Catholic Church. Ultimately, the Dimond Brothers have repudiated Jesus Christ, for it was He who said that the gates of hell would NOT prevail against the Church, but the Dimond Brothers believe that hell has, indeed, prevailed, for we are headless, without a leader, and have been for the last 47 years, the very opposite of what Jesus promised. Not only is it incorrect, it is absurd.
The main problem, of course, is that the Dimond Brothers have not learned to distinguish between judging faith and morals for the sake of their own conscience and the far different position of judging the Magisterium. At will, the Dimond Brothers declare the whole Magisterium heretical and non-Catholic, yet, as we have seen, they barely have the capability to read a document for what it actually says, and have less capability to understand the context, or synthesize apparent contradictions into a unified whole. That is because they are bent on destroying the Catholic Church and declaring themselves the true holders of the faith. Didn’t we go through this once before with Martin Luther and John Calvin? Apparently, the Dimond Brothers haven’t learned from history, but that is no surprise, for when pride and arrogance get in the way, history means nothing to the egomaniac.
The Dimond Brothers have gone back to the error of Balaam and the error of Korah (Jude 1:11), cases in which mere underlings tried to usurp authority from the rightful magisterium. God simply has no mercy upon those who arrogate authority to themselves, regardless whether the authority in charge is good, bad or indifferent.
As far as the Church is concerned, we have the right to register our objections and disagreements with the Magisterium (Canon Law 212, 2-3) but that is as far as our prerogatives go. Other than that, we are mere peons with an opinion. We can register our opinions, we can write letters to our bishop and pope, but that is as far as our authority goes. We certainly have no right to declare a pope a heretic and unilaterally depose him from office, and insist that others do the same under threat of eternal damnation. That is the devil’s gospel, and I’m sorry to say, that is the gospel being propagated by the Dimond Brothers.
Not judging the Magisterium relieves us of being judged by God. God alone is the judge of the Magisterium, not you, not me, not the Dimond Brothers. Of course, the Magisterium better toe the line, for they will face a much harsher punishment from God than you and I if they faulter. None of us want to be in that position, believe me. It is not a light thing to be a prelate in God’s Magisterium.
The Dimond Brothers are on the road to perdition, and anyone who follows them is putting their soul on the precipice of hell. Run, don’t walk, away from them as fast as you possibly can.
Robert A. Sungenis, M.A., Ph.D. (cd)
President: Catholic Apologetics International
August 1, 2005

Weaver the koala bear...I ran out of logic for you? What kind of logic would one need when speaking to a koala bear? Believe me Mr. Koala speaking with you is for entertainment purposes only. It is as easy as breathing for me. There are not enough sedevacantists is several billion galaxies to ever pool their intellect (or lack there of) where anything resembling a challenge would ever be present in my debating one. It is not difficult to debate a koala bear who already has the disadvantage of being dead wrong. In order to make for a good debate you must possess at least some fragment of truth or fact-since you have none at you disposal all you can do is cling to your tree and eat whatever koala's like to graze on!

And to my very Protestant Sedevacantist friends; you have already made up your mind on the matter that the post-conciliar popes are heretics. You fail to see that the Church clearly teaches that popes can mislead the Church, and still retain their office. You don't understand the levels of Church authority, and you don't understand when the Church exercises her ordinary and universal Magisterium. And that is not your biggest problem. Your biggest problem is that you espouse sedevacantism, which denies the First Vatican Council's dogmatic teaching that the papacy will have perpetual successors, and makes Jesus a liar. If sedevacantism were true, the gates of hell have prevailed. There is no way to elect a new pope without a specific revelation from God. That is why the sedes cannot even agree on who is pope. They are a splintered and fractured group of dissidents who have named at least 20 different popes since Pius XII. Jim, I urge you to reconsider your position, which comes under the anathema of Almighty God Himself. I am now finished with this dialogue. God bless.

In Christ Ross


ps. Nice job Kfarley. Your a strong Catholic, and you have proven yourself, again. When I was discerning these groups, over a year ago, IT WAS BECAUSE OF NUT CASES LIKE THIS, THAT I FLED THERE MOVEMENT. Its a joy to actually be associated, with STRONG Catholics, and not nut cases, who align themselves, with totally embarrassing individuals, like POPE MICHAEL, who has a youtube video, and a facebook, profile, CLAMING HIMSELF TO BE THE POPE. Or a Psychotic, nut case, like Trady, here! Who claims, St. Lucia, was an imposter. I actually appreciate, these morons, there actually doing the New Mass, a service. ANY intelligent, Catholic can immediately discern, there hate, and condemnation, and instantly realize, there STATE OF MIND, IS totally against, what St. Paul teaches. They remind me of the Mormons, who lose all there CREDIBILITY, trying to get souls, to believe, God lives on the Planet Kobar, with his wife! I will add them to my Rosary. This is my last post. In Christ Ross

Kfarley:

Thank God, I am not on the Chair of St. Peter, they would have added my comments of leaving the internet for LENT, as another heresy! lol. This last pathetic attempt, to justify, there Psychotic delusions , is almost as pathetic, as there entire movement. I wonder, as they attack, the Blessed Father, full of hate, and contempt, they realize, this is HOW affective they truly are.
LOVE

1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

4 Love is patient,
love is kind and is not jealous;
love does not brag and is not arrogant,
5 does not act unbecomingly;
it does not seek its own,
is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,
6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;
7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails;

but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.
13 But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.

"All these (pre Pope John XXIII) Popes have resisted the union of the Church with the revolution; it is an adulterous union and from such a union only bastards can come. The rite of the new mass is a bastard rite, the sacraments are bastard sacraments. We no longer know if they are sacraments which give grace or do not give it. The priests coming out of the seminaries are bastard priests, who do not know what they are. They are unaware that they are made to go up to the altar, to offer the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ and to give Jesus Christ to souls." "An Open Letter To Confused Catholics", by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

No wonder, there so screwed up, Kfarley, and Psychotic, is a perfect description. Your donkey and swines, was a perfect match. I think I will stick, with St. Paul....what good is it, all I hear, with these knuckled heads, is a loud GONG...and crashing cymbals....but what do you expect from PROTESTANTS.

In Christ Ross

Weaver has rightly drawn attention to Ross' reliance on Mr John Salza.

So let's just discuss John Salza rather than the random, disorganised tidbits extracted from him and others which seek to answer points which I have never made.

No one becomes a 32nd degree freemason through mere youthful naivety. At this level we are talking explicit luciferianism and a thorough understanding of the judeo-masonic penetration of the institutions of the Catholic Church. Does Mr Salza discuss any of this? Or is he content to tell everyone he made a "mistake" and to "reveal" a few anodyne things about the freemasons which have long been in the public domain? Well, if you want to find out, watch his videos and read his book Masonry Unmasked. Anything here? No. Not a whisper. Right at the end of this book he finally makes a few "speculative" admissions about Freemasonry's role in the New World Order, but NOTHING, not a sausage, nada about how the Vatican and the V2 bishops are crawling with freemasons and about their age-old plans to infiltrate the Church. How extraordinary.

So what on earth is going on here? Why is he not he spilling the real beans on the crisis afflicting the Church. He could totally blow the cover off the judeo-masonic conspiracy if he really were a repentant ex-32 degree mason. His life would then be in real danger, of course, but this is surely the sacrifice Our Lord demands for joining such a virulently evil organisation in the first place.

And why on earth is Mr Salza so tranparently avoiding a live debate with Br Peter Dimond by insisting that the latter validate his OSB credentials first? Not only is this impossible in the climate of the V2 counter-church but it's utterly irrelevant - Dimond is not a private eyewitness whose veracity needs to be ratified; his testimony is drawn exclusively from the public treasures of the Church. Watch this videofor evidence of John Salza's apparently evasive and disingenuous behaviour.

Some are now beginning to suspect that Mr Salza remains very much a freemason, indeed a truly brilliant one, a real honour to the Lodge. In this thesis, he's been asked to infiltrate the Church rather like the thousands of young freemasons and communists who invaded the seminaries in the 1930s. His job? Who knows? But who is to say that blocking the ever-increasing flow of traditional Catholics towards the truth of the sede vacante position is not on the agenda? If you're an anti-sedevacantist looking to ward off attacks from your sedevacantist brethren, Mr Salza is at your ready service.