Thursday, November 17, 2011

SSPX IMPLY BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS VISIBLE, THEN THEY ASSUME IT’S AN EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION: OFFER LATIN MASS WITH NOVUS ORDO ECCLESIOLOGY

The Society of St. Pius X needs to announce that the baptism of desire is not an exception to the dogma and that everyone with no exception needs to convert into the Church for salvation.Otherwise it is an impediment for saying the Latin Mass. It is the actual rejection of a dogma which Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible statement’. SSPX must recognize that it is an impediment for offering Holy Mass according to Canon Law.

Similar to the SSPX, the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP), former SSPX members, are rejecting the dogma and Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) which says all need to enter the Church with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water. For the FSSP all in the present time need to enter the Church except for those in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire.

I do not know if the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican will consider the SSPX and FSSP error an impediment to offering Mass since the Paulist Fathers at the Church of Santa Susanna in Rome reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They claim Vatican Council II has changed this teaching and they provide a theology of religions on their website. They offer Mass in English, ordain their priests and the Vatican gives them canonical status.There are no demands made on them by the Vatican as is the case for the SSPX.

Fr. Peter Scott writes on the SSPX website that unlike the modernists they believe in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Yes- as compared to the Paulist Fathers in Rome. However there are priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass who say they respect the dogma however those in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma. Sounds familiar?

Fr. Peter Scott criticizes the modernist ecclesiology in a letter to Bishop Raymond Boland, of the diocese of Kansas City, USA. Yet the SSPX is using the same ecclesiology as the priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass. If the SSPX priests assume that the baptism of desire contradicts the dogma then they also imply that the baptism of desire is visible for us and is as explicit as the baptism of water.I do not like to write all this since in many ways I admire the SSPX but it is unfortunate that they are using the same ecclesiology as in the Novus Ordo Mass.

Fr. Peter Scott and Fr. Francois Laisney of the SSPX assume in written reports on their website, and in a book by Fr. Laisney, that the baptism of desire is visible and explicit and so is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The SSPX needs to issue a clarification on this subject-Lionel Andrades

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Tuesday, November 15, 2011

Fr.Francois Laisney of the SSPX's denial is probably not willful but due to confusion between defacto-dejure salvation, implicit and explicit salvation.

I have been asked by a reader of this blog where exactly does Fr.Francois Laisney say that there are exceptions to the dogma.

Here is my answer.

Fr. Francois Laisney writes:

The first error of those who take their doctrine from Rev. Fr. Leonard Feeney, commonly known as "Feeneyites," is that they misrepresent the dogma, "Outside the [Catholic] Church there is no salvation." The Feeneyites misrepresent this as, "Without baptism of water there is no salvation."
The Feeneyites misrepresent this as, "Without baptism of water there is no salvation."www.sspx.org/…/three_errors_of…

He is implying here that there is salvation in the present times for someone without the baptism of water.

Note: I use the words ‘in the present time’. It refers to the present reality, the de facto situation i.e when I meet a non Catholic on the street or telephone him.

De facto every one needs the baptism of water for salvation this is the teaching of the dogma. So he denies the dogma here.

His denial is probably not willful but due to confusion between defacto-dejure salvation, implicit and explicit salvation.

Implicitly, and known only to God we know that for salvation there could be possible theoretical exceptions to every one needing Catholic Faith and the baptism of water, before they die.

In principle, de jure we accept that a non Catholic can be saved in the way God chooses and this would be an exception. Theoretically there can be ‘exceptions’ de facto there are no exceptions to the dogma. So those who are saved de jure are not exceptions to the dogma.
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Fr. Francois Laisney says :

His teaching was then condemned by the Holy Office in 1949, and he himself was excommunicated in 1953.
Nowhere does the Letter state that Fr.Leonard Feeney was 'condemned' or that he was excommunicated for heresy. This is the propaganda of the liberal secular media.

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 supported Fr.Leonard Feeney when it mentioned ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible teaching’. The dogma indicates that every non Catholic in Boston and the rest of the world needs to convert into the Church to avoid the fires of Hell.(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence etc).So Fr.Leonard Feeney was correct in saying every one needs to be a visible member of the Church and there are no exceptions. The dogma does not mention exceptions and it is an infallible teaching.Fr.Francois Laisney implies that there are exceptions to the dogma and so Fr.Leonard Feeney was in error.
-Lionel Andrades

Thursday, November 24, 2011

ECCLESSIOLOGY OF ENGLISH BISHOPS HIT BY TWO ERRORS 1) VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE 2) FR.LEONARD FEENEY EXCOMMUNICATED FOR THE SAME VIEW AS POPES, SAINTS AND DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION

English bishops use an interpretation of Magisterial texts which contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction as taught to Catholic seminarians.

It is assumed by the bishops that those saved among Christians and non Christians, in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience, with ‘the seeds of the Word’ or in imperfect communion with the Church,are known to us in the present times and this is the ordinary way of salvation. They imply that this is an exception to the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation. So Protestants just have to believe in Jesus and they are saved in their religion through this ordinary means.This is a rejection of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II (Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7).Vatican Council II indicates that the ordinary means of salvation is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (LG 14, AG 7).

It is contradictory for the bishops to say:

De facto every one needs to be an explicit, visible member of the Church of salvation and defacto non Catholics in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire can be saved without the baptism of water.

It is not contradictory when they say:

Defacto every one with no exception needs to enter the Church as taught by ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible statement’.(Letter of the Holy Office 1949 during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII)

De jure a person can be saved with the baptism of desire.(Letter of the Holy Office 1949 during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII)

It is contradictory when they believe:

De facto all people need to enter the Catholic Church with the baptism of water and Catholic Faith for salvation.(Vatican Council II, Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7).

De facto some people can be saved in invincible ignorance.(Lumen Gentium 16).

It is not contradictory when they believe:

De facto all people need to enter the Catholic Church with the baptism of water and Catholic Faith for salvation. (Vatican Council II, Lumen Gentium 14,Ad Gentes7).

De jure some people can be saved in invincible ignorance.(Lumen Gentium 16).

English bishops use an interpretation of Magisterial texts which contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction as taught to Catholic seminarians.It is contradictory to common sense , even a lay man can notice, to imply that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are de facto known to us

Due to the contradiction in the interpretation young candidates with a religious vocation in England have to say everyone needs to enter the Church for salvation in the present times but there could be defacto exceptions like those saved with the baptism of desire. The baptism of desire is assumed to be visible and so is an exception to the dogma.The dogma indicates everyone needs to be an explicit, visible member of the church to go to Heaven.
eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/…/vocation-direct…

If the baptism of desire was implicit for candidates it would not contradict the dogma, it would not be an exception. Since it is allegedly explicitly known, it is an exception to the dogma. It is an error for the bishops to interpret those saved with the baptism of desire as being de facto known to us.

Candidates with a religious vocation in England would also have to accept that Fr. Leonard Feeney was ‘condemned’ for holding the same view as the popes, including Pope Pius XII, who referred to 'the dogma', the saints and the dogma itself. Since the bishops assume that Fr.Leonard Feeney said that there are no exceptions to the dogma and that the baptism of desire etc are not exceptions. For the bishops the baptism of desire is defacto and explicitly known to us and so Fr.Leonard Feeney was wrong. So were the popes and saints.

(a) No one knows of a particular case of someone being saved with the baptism of desire even though it is being assumed as being visible (b) Fr.Leonard Feeney was not excommunicated for repeating the same teaching of the popes, Councils, saints and the thrice-defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They were all saying that de facto every adult needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. They did not consider the baptism of desire as explicit but knew that it was always implicit.

They imply that Vatican Council II has changed our concept of Church since those saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) etc are visible and de facto known to us in the present times.
-Lionel Andrades

CATHOLIC BISHOPS CONFERENCE OF ENGLAND AND WALES SAYS THOSE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE, INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE VISIBLE TO US
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ECUMENISM OF THE ENGLISH BISHOPS CONTRARY TO VATICAN COUNCIL II
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Wednesday, November 16, 2011

JESUIT SUPERIOR GENERAL REVIEW THE FR.LEONARD FEENEY CASE : THERE IS NO KNOWN CASE OF A PERSON SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE WHICH IS VISIBLE

In a prepared statement for the press the former Jesuit added: "The conscience difficulty is that the diocese of Boston, under the auspices of Archbishop Cushing, and Boston College, under the auspices of Father John J. McEloney, S.J., both notably ignorant in the field of Catholic theology ... are teaching that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church." - Father Feeney Is Dismissed From Jesuit Order by Rome

www.thecrimson.com/…/father-feeney-i…

We now know that the Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Reverend John J. McEleney S.J. the former Provincial of the New England branch of the Society of Jesus were wrong in assuming that those saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance are explicitly known to us,that they are real and visible cases and so they contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Fr.Leonard Feeney.

Fr.Leonard Feeney was correct in saying that there is no baptism ofdesire or invincible ignornance cases that we know of and so they are not exceptions to the dogma defined three times.

Fr.Leonard Feeney was unjustly deprived of his faculties to offer Mass and hear Confession when he was only affirming the centuries old interpretation of the dogma.

The Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuit Superior General did not issue a clarification when the Boston newspapers reported that the Church had changed its ancient teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation.

Instead the Archbishop and the Jesuits began teaching that there was salvation outside the church for those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire not mentioning that these cases were accepted only on principle de jure and so did not contradict the dogma which indicated that all non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 affirmed ‘the dogma’ the ‘infallible teaching’. The dogma CantateDomino, Council of Florence indicates that all non Catholics in Boston and the rest of the world need to convert into the Catholic Church. This was exactly the teaching of Fr.Leonard Feeney for which he was being transferred and silenced.

Even though the Letter of the Holy Office supported the priest the excommunication was not listed and the media was allowed to state that Fr.Leonard Feeney was condemned by the Hly Office.

Justice needs to be done by the present Superior General of the Jesuits Superior General is the Reverend Father Adolfo Nicolás..-Lionel Andrades

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Father Feeney Is Dismissed From Jesuit Order by Rome

Refused to Take Holy Cross Post

By Brenton WELLING Jr.,

Published: Saturday, October 29, 1949

Father Leonard Feeney last night was dismissed from the Jesuit Order.

His discharge, the latest event in his dispute with the Catholic authorities, came in the form of a decree from Rome signed by The Very Reverend Jean Baptiste Janssens, S.J., General of the order,

The decree arrived at St. Benedict's Center at 6 p.m. in a registered letter from The Reverend John J. McEleney S.J. Provincial of the New England branch of the Society of Jesus.

Judicial Process

Father Feeney announced his own dismissal at a press conference last night. He translated from the Latin a sentence of the decree, which said: "Your dismissal from the Society of Jesus through judicial process has been approved."

Father Feeney, who is the chaplain of St. Benedict's commented, "The reason is because I will not leave St. Benedict's Center." He refused to do so in August, 1948, when he was ordered by the Jesuits to join the faculty of Holy Cross.

The reason for his disobedience, Father Feeney said last night, was a "conscience difficulty which Father McEloney will not listen to."

Explains Difficulty

In a prepared statement for the press the former Jesuit added: "The conscience difficulty is that the diocese of Boston, under the auspices of Archbishop Cushing, and Boston College, under the auspices of Father John J. McEloney, S.J., both notably ignorant in the field of Catholic theology ... are teaching that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church."

Archishop Cushing declined to comment on this statement last night, and Father MeEleney could not be reached.

Father Feeney's insistence that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church has been the cause of the con- troversy which has gene on between the Archbishop and the Jesuits, on the one hand, and Father Feeney, on the other, since October 1947. Last January Father Feeney was "deprived on his faculties" by Archbishop Cushing. This meant that he could no longer say Mass or hear confession.

Despite this and the more recent punishment, Father Feeney announced last night, "I shall continue as a Catholic priest, loyal and devoted to the Church and to the Pope, at St. Benediet's Center."

The faculty and students of St. Benedict's in a statement signed by the secretary of the School, said last night; "Many of us have at one time or another been associated with Jesuit institutions, and know that their policies of late are motivated more by political expediency than by Christian charity. -Harvard Crimson online.

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Thursday, November 17, 2011

SSPX IMPLY BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS VISIBLE, THEN THEY ASSUME IT’S AN EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION: OFFER LATIN MASS WITH NOVUS ORDO ECCLESIOLOGY

The Society of St. Pius X needs to announce that the baptism of desire is not an exception to the dogma and that everyone with no exception needs to convert into the Church for salvation.Otherwise it is an impediment for saying the Latin Mass. It is the actual rejection of a dogma which Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible statement’. SSPX must recognize that it is an impediment for offering Holy Mass according to Canon Law.

Similar to the SSPX, the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP), former SSPX members, are rejecting the dogma and Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) which says all need to enter the Church with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water. For the FSSP all in the present time need to enter the Church except for those in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire.

I do not know if the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican will consider the SSPX and FSSP error an impediment to offering Mass since the Paulist Fathers at the Church of Santa Susanna in Rome reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They claim Vatican Council II has changed this teaching and they provide a theology of religions on their website. They offer Mass in English, ordain their priests and the Vatican gives them canonical status.There are no demands made on them by the Vatican as is the case for the SSPX.

Fr. Peter Scott writes on the SSPX website that unlike the modernists they believe in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Yes- as compared to the Paulist Fathers in Rome. However there are priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass who say they respect the dogma however those in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma. Sounds familiar?

Fr. Peter Scott criticizes the modernist ecclesiology in a letter to Bishop Raymond Boland, of the diocese of Kansas City, USA. Yet the SSPX is using the same ecclesiology as the priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass. If the SSPX priests assume that the baptism of desire contradicts the dogma then they also imply that the baptism of desire is visible for us and is as explicit as the baptism of water.I do not like to write all this since in many ways I admire the SSPX but it is unfortunate that they are using the same ecclesiology as in the Novus Ordo Mass.

Fr. Peter Scott and Fr. Francois Laisney of the SSPX assume in written reports on their website, and in a book by Fr. Laisney, that the baptism of desire is visible and explicit and so is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The SSPX needs to issue a clarification on this subject-Lionel Andrades
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Thursday, November 24, 2011

ECCLESSIOLOGY OF ENGLISH BISHOPS HIT BY TWO ERRORS 1) VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE 2) FR.LEONARD FEENEY EXCOMMUNICATED FOR THE SAME VIEW AS POPES, SAINTS AND DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION

English bishops use an interpretation of Magisterial texts which contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction as taught to Catholic seminarians.

It is assumed by the bishops that those saved among Christians and non Christians, in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience, with ‘the seeds of the Word’ or in imperfect communion with the Church,are known to us in the present times and this is the ordinary way of salvation. They imply that this is an exception to the dogma outside the Church there is no salvation. So Protestants just have to believe in Jesus and they are saved in their religion through this ordinary means.This is a rejection of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II (Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7).Vatican Council II indicates that the ordinary means of salvation is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (LG 14, AG 7).

It is contradictory for the bishops to say:

De facto every one needs to be an explicit, visible member of the Church of salvation and defacto non Catholics in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire can be saved without the baptism of water.

It is not contradictory when they say:

Defacto every one with no exception needs to enter the Church as taught by ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible statement’.(Letter of the Holy Office 1949 during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII)

De jure a person can be saved with the baptism of desire.(Letter of the Holy Office 1949 during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII)

It is contradictory when they believe:

De facto all people need to enter the Catholic Church with the baptism of water and Catholic Faith for salvation.(Vatican Council II, Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7).

De facto some people can be saved in invincible ignorance.(Lumen Gentium 16).

It is not contradictory when they believe:

De facto all people need to enter the Catholic Church with the baptism of water and Catholic Faith for salvation. (Vatican Council II, Lumen Gentium 14,Ad Gentes7).

De jure some people can be saved in invincible ignorance.(Lumen Gentium 16).

English bishops use an interpretation of Magisterial texts which contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction as taught to Catholic seminarians.It is contradictory to common sense , even a lay man can notice, to imply that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are de facto known to us

Due to the contradiction in the interpretation young candidates with a religious vocation in England have to say everyone needs to enter the Church for salvation in the present times but there could be defacto exceptions like those saved with the baptism of desire. The baptism of desire is assumed to be visible and so is an exception to the dogma.The dogma indicates everyone needs to be an explicit, visible member of the church to go to Heaven.
eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/…/vocation-direct…

If the baptism of desire was implicit for candidates it would not contradict the dogma, it would not be an exception. Since it is allegedly explicitly known, it is an exception to the dogma. It is an error for the bishops to interpret those saved with the baptism of desire as being de facto known to us.

Candidates with a religious vocation in England would also have to accept that Fr. Leonard Feeney was ‘condemned’ for holding the same view as the popes, including Pope Pius XII, who referred to 'the dogma', the saints and the dogma itself. Since the bishops assume that Fr.Leonard Feeney said that there are no exceptions to the dogma and that the baptism of desire etc are not exceptions. For the bishops the baptism of desire is defacto and explicitly known to us and so Fr.Leonard Feeney was wrong. So were the popes and saints.

(a) No one knows of a particular case of someone being saved with the baptism of desire even though it is being assumed as being visible (b) Fr.Leonard Feeney was not excommunicated for repeating the same teaching of the popes, Councils, saints and the thrice-defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They were all saying that de facto every adult needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. They did not consider the baptism of desire as explicit but knew that it was always implicit.

They imply that Vatican Council II has changed our concept of Church since those saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) etc are visible and de facto known to us in the present times.
-Lionel Andrades

CATHOLIC BISHOPS CONFERENCE OF ENGLAND AND WALES SAYS THOSE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE, INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE VISIBLE TO US
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ECUMENISM OF THE ENGLISH BISHOPS CONTRARY TO VATICAN COUNCIL II
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Wednesday, November 23, 2011

ECUMENISM OF THE ENGLISH BISHOPS CONTRARY TO VATICAN COUNCIL II

According to the Home Mission Briefing on the website of the Conference of Catholic Bishops of England and Wales(1) there is a joint mission program with the liberal Protestant World Council of Churches.(2)

The English bishops who teach that those saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance are visible to us (3)are suggesting that Christians, do not have to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. (Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentium 7, dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Cantate Domino Council of Florence etc).

Vatican Council II says all Christians need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation. (4)

The Ecumenism policy of the English bishops is contrary to the Magisterium of the Church. It is a refutation of Catholic Tradition and the Church’s interpretation of the Bible.They have been evangelised by the Protestants.

They are unable to state that Vatican Council II and the dogma Outside the Church there is no Salvation teaches that all Protestants and Orthodox Christians are oriented to the fires of Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church.

According to the Catholic Bishops, Protestants and other Christians can be saved in invincible ignorance etc just as in inter religious dialogue with non Christians it is assumed by the bishops that those saved in invincible ignorance among non Christians are known to us in the present times.They imply that this is an exception to the dogma.This is the rejection of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II (Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7).

Young Catholics in England would have to say that everyone needs to enter the Church for salvation in the present times but there could be defacto exceptions like those saved with the baptism of desire. The baptism of desire is assumed to be visible and so is an exception to the dogma.The dogma indicates everyone needs to be an explicit, visible member of the church to go to Heaven.
eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/…/vocation-direct…

If the baptism of desire was implicit for candidates it would not contradict the dogma, it would not be an exception. Since it is allegedly explicitly known, it is an exception to the dogma. Candidates with a religious vocation would be accepted who presumably could 'spot' these rare exceptional cases.Those who cannot do so will not be able to priests and nuns.

So candidates with a religious vocation in England would also have to accept also that Fr. Leonard Feeney was ‘condemned’ for holding the same view as the popes, including Pope Pius XII, who referred to 'the dogma', the saints and the dogma itself.

This is the teaching of the Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales on Ecumenism and inter faith dialogue. This is their policy when accepting candidates with a religious vocation and in teaching at Pontifical seminaries in Rome,the English and Beda College.

This new visible baptism of desire doctrine contradicts magisterial documents.It is also irrational. (a) No one knows of a particular case of someone being saved with the baptism of desire and (b) Fr.Leonard Feeney was not excommunicated for repeating the same teaching of the popes, Councils, saints and the thrice-defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.-Lionel Andrades

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1.Adult Formation and Catechesis.Home Mission Briefing June 2010. Ecumenism

2..www.oikoumene.org/…/mission-and-uni…

3..eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/…/catholic-bishop…

4.Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7

CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
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FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
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BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF
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DAPHNE MCLEOD’S COMMENT SHOULD BE A WAKE UP CALL FOR SSPX, TRADITIONALISTS AND ENGLISH BISHOPS
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Wednesday, November 16, 2011

JESUIT SUPERIOR GENERAL REVIEW THE FR.LEONARD FEENEY CASE : THERE IS NO KNOWN CASE OF A PERSON SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE WHICH IS VISIBLE

In a prepared statement for the press the former Jesuit added: "The conscience difficulty is that the diocese of Boston, under the auspices of Archbishop Cushing, and Boston College, under the auspices of Father John J. McEloney, S.J., both notably ignorant in the field of Catholic theology ... are teaching that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church." - Father Feeney Is Dismissed From Jesuit Order by Rome

www.thecrimson.com/…/father-feeney-i…

We now know that the Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Reverend John J. McEleney S.J. the former Provincial of the New England branch of the Society of Jesus were wrong in assuming that those saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance are explicitly known to us,that they are real and visible cases and so they contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Fr.Leonard Feeney.

Fr.Leonard Feeney was correct in saying that there is no baptism ofdesire or invincible ignornance cases that we know of and so they are not exceptions to the dogma defined three times.

Fr.Leonard Feeney was unjustly deprived of his faculties to offer Mass and hear Confession when he was only affirming the centuries old interpretation of the dogma.

The Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuit Superior General did not issue a clarification when the Boston newspapers reported that the Church had changed its ancient teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation.

Instead the Archbishop and the Jesuits began teaching that there was salvation outside the church for those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire not mentioning that these cases were accepted only on principle de jure and so did not contradict the dogma which indicated that all non Catholics need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 affirmed ‘the dogma’ the ‘infallible teaching’. The dogma CantateDomino, Council of Florence indicates that all non Catholics in Boston and the rest of the world need to convert into the Catholic Church. This was exactly the teaching of Fr.Leonard Feeney for which he was being transferred and silenced.

Even though the Letter of the Holy Office supported the priest the excommunication was not listed and the media was allowed to state that Fr.Leonard Feeney was condemned by the Hly Office.

Justice needs to be done by the present Superior General of the Jesuits Superior General is the Reverend Father Adolfo Nicolás..-Lionel Andrades

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Father Feeney Is Dismissed From Jesuit Order by Rome

Refused to Take Holy Cross Post

By Brenton WELLING Jr.,

Published: Saturday, October 29, 1949

Father Leonard Feeney last night was dismissed from the Jesuit Order.

His discharge, the latest event in his dispute with the Catholic authorities, came in the form of a decree from Rome signed by The Very Reverend Jean Baptiste Janssens, S.J., General of the order,

The decree arrived at St. Benedict's Center at 6 p.m. in a registered letter from The Reverend John J. McEleney S.J. Provincial of the New England branch of the Society of Jesus.

Judicial Process

Father Feeney announced his own dismissal at a press conference last night. He translated from the Latin a sentence of the decree, which said: "Your dismissal from the Society of Jesus through judicial process has been approved."

Father Feeney, who is the chaplain of St. Benedict's commented, "The reason is because I will not leave St. Benedict's Center." He refused to do so in August, 1948, when he was ordered by the Jesuits to join the faculty of Holy Cross.

The reason for his disobedience, Father Feeney said last night, was a "conscience difficulty which Father McEloney will not listen to."

Explains Difficulty

In a prepared statement for the press the former Jesuit added: "The conscience difficulty is that the diocese of Boston, under the auspices of Archbishop Cushing, and Boston College, under the auspices of Father John J. McEloney, S.J., both notably ignorant in the field of Catholic theology ... are teaching that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church."

Archishop Cushing declined to comment on this statement last night, and Father MeEleney could not be reached.

Father Feeney's insistence that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church has been the cause of the con- troversy which has gene on between the Archbishop and the Jesuits, on the one hand, and Father Feeney, on the other, since October 1947. Last January Father Feeney was "deprived on his faculties" by Archbishop Cushing. This meant that he could no longer say Mass or hear confession.

Despite this and the more recent punishment, Father Feeney announced last night, "I shall continue as a Catholic priest, loyal and devoted to the Church and to the Pope, at St. Benediet's Center."

The faculty and students of St. Benedict's in a statement signed by the secretary of the School, said last night; "Many of us have at one time or another been associated with Jesuit institutions, and know that their policies of late are motivated more by political expediency than by Christian charity. -Harvard Crimson online.
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CATHOLIC HERALD, DAILY TELEGRAPH CENSORSHIP OF THE DOGMA CONTROVERSY: NO ADS ACCEPTED

The issue is the Eucharist-does every one with no exception need to receive the Eucharist to avoid Hell?

Does everyone need to receive the Eucharist to avoid Hell? Yes. The Sacraments are needed for all people for salvation. There could be some people in certain conditions and times who cannot receive the Eucharist. However in general this Sacrament is needed for salvation. (John 6).

Does every one need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water with no exception ?Yes, everyone with no exception.( Vatican Council II, Dominus Iesus, Council of Trent, Council of Florence etc).

The Eucharist is only given to those who have received the Sacrament of baptism and the other necessary Sacraments. Non Catholics and Catholics in mortal sin are not given the Eucharist. They are on the way to Hell if they die immediately.

This teaching was not accepted by the Staff of the Catholic Herald, U.K about the time the pope visited England.It was not even accepted as a paid announcement (Daily Times, U.K). It was a difficult teaching for Damian Thompson, Editor of Telegraph Blogs and a leader writer for the Daily Telegraph.They could not even believe that this was the teaching of the Catholic Church. Now Daphne McLeod, Chairman of Pro Ecclesia et Pontefice, England has said that there can be non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and with the baptism of desire and this is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam null salus.

No one is commenting on her statement at the Catholic Herald or the Daily Telegraph,U.K. It is easier to pretend that non Catholics can be saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and these cases are explicitly known to us and so they contradict the dogma. It is much easier to say that these theoretically acceptable cases are the defacto ordinary means of salvation for all non Catholics. This is no threat to the bank balance.

The Church has not changed its teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus as Catholics in the media would conveniently like us to believe. If it had changed, it would be changing the Church’s teaching on the Eucharist.

Daphne McLeod is saying that the Church still teaches as in the 1930’s and 40’s when she was in school, that outside the Church there is no salvation and there is the need of missionaries. This is still the teaching of magisterial texts in Vatican Council II and after Vatican Council II. So the Catholic journalists are denying the Faith and a Catholic dogma and they consider it a virtue, important for peace. Irenicism, is the sin of denying the truth or giving up principles for the sake of peace and survival.-Lionel Andrades

Photo of Damian Thompson, Editor of Telegraph Blogs and a leader writer for the Daily Telegraph.

TIMES U.K BLOCKS ‘CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES ROWAN WILLIAMS ON WAY TO HELL’ ADVERTISEMENT

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011

CATHOLIC HERALD, U.K: IS IT STILL CATHOLIC?

Reporting on the dogma controversy is not good for business.

Damain Thompson and Luke Coppen at the Catholic Herald, U.K are avoiding a fundamental Church teaching and a controversial situation in the Catholic Church.

They want to be a newspaper which represents Catholics in the U.K but the Church’s teachings on other religions pose a difficulty for them.

Daphne McLeod, Chairman, Pro Ecclesia et Pontefice, England has said that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The editors of Catholic Herald would prefer to close their ears and look the other side.

She is saying that the Catholic Church teaches before and after Vatican Council II that all non Catholics with no exception need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. This was also what she was taught as a young girl.

Does the Catholic Herald agree or disagree with her?

The Conference of Catholic Bishops of England and Wales on its website indicate that now Catholics can be saved in invincible ignorance (Lumen Gentium 16).Also the ‘seeds of the Word’ are present in other religions and so non Catholics can be saved in general.

If this is all the English bishops can say then it should be clear to the Catholic Herald that the Church has not retracted the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and that there are no defacto exceptions that we know of- we do not know any case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance or the ‘seed of the Word’.

Will the Catholic Herald mention and discuss this issue in England?-Lionel Andrades

NON CATHOLICS CAN BE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE, BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Daphne McLeod, Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, England

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Archbishop Emeritus Kevin McDonald of Southwark implies the 'seeds of the Word' in other religions is the ordinary means of salvation and these exceptions are explicitly known
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DAPHNE MCLEOD’S COMMENT SHOULD BE A WAKE UP CALL FOR SSPX, TRADITIONALISTS AND ENGLISH BISHOPS
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DAPHNE MCLEOD COMMENT A BOMBSHELL FOR ENGLISH BISHOPS?
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CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF
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BISHOPS CONFERENCE OF ENGLAND AND WALES SAYS LUMEN GENTIUM 16 REFERS TO EXPLICITLY KNOWN CASES OF NON CATHOLIC SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE
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NORMS FOR THE TRIDENTINE RITE MASS VIOLATED ?
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Michael Voris Hits the Jackpot…that is, “the dogma”- Brother André Marie MICM :RealCatholicTV affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
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CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
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FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
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BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF
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ANGELICUM UNIVERSITY IS CHURNING OUT THEOLOGY DEGREES FOR THOSE WHO SAY FR.LEONARD FEENEY WAS EXCOMMUNICATED FOR REJECTING THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE
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CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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Saturday, October 8, 2011

I LEGIONARI DI CRISTO SACERDOTE DON RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFERMA CANTATE DOMINO CONCILIO DI FIRENZE

Venerdì 7 ottobre 2011

Decano della facoltà di Filosofia, Università Pontificio Regina Apostolorum, Roma oggi mattina ha detto nel suo ufficio che aveva conosciuto il testo di dogma Cantate Domino, Concilio di Firenze e lo avrebbe firmato in pubblico.

Don Rafael Pascual ha detto che lui ed altri Legionari di Cristo hanno preso un giuramento in la Chiesa per essere fedeli al Magistero della Chiesa. E mi ha mostrato sul suo computer il testo di questo giuramento.

Ha preso obiettare ad un e-mail (1)cioè spedetto a lui quale dove indicato che i Legionari di Cristo non hanno affermato il dogma extra eccleisam nulla salus .

Don Rafael Pascual il direttore dell'Istituto di Fede e di Scienza ha saputo che il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus Cantate Domino (2) era d'accordo con il Concilio Vaticano II (LG 14, AG 7) (3), Dominus Iesus 20 (4) e gli altri testi di Magistero.

La Chiesa inoltre la afferma, può essere accennata, che i non Cattolici possono essere salvati nell'ignoranza invincibile e nel battesimo di desiderio. Tuttavia i Padre della Chiesa , i papi ed i Concili della Chiesa sempre conoscono che questi casi erano impliciti ed in modo da non hanno contraddetto il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Sono conosciuti soltanto al Dio e non incontreremmo in persona qualsiasi caso. Inoltre nessun testo Magistero sostiene che sono conosciuti esplicitamente. - Lionel Andrades
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LEGIONARIES OF CHRIST PRIESTS IN ROME DO NOT DENY THAT THEY AFFIRM AND TEACH THE SECULAR, LIBERAL INTERPRETATION OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA

SALUS
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Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino (1441): "The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the "eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41), unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."-, Wikipedia, extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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Esso, basandosi sulla sacra Scrittura e sulla tradizione, insegna che questa Chiesa peregrinante è necessaria alla salvezza. Solo il Cristo, infatti, presente in mezzo a noi nel suo corpo che è la Chiesa, è il mediatore e la via della salvezza; ora egli stesso, inculcando espressamente la necessità della fede e del battesimo (cfr. Gv 3,5), ha nello stesso tempo confermato la necessità della Chiesa, nella quale gli uomini entrano per il battesimo come per una porta. .-Lumen Gentium 14

È dunque necessario che tutti si convertano al Cristo conosciuto attraverso la predicazione della Chiesa, ed a lui e alla Chiesa, suo corpo, siano incorporati attraverso il battesimo (39). Cristo stesso infatti, « ribadendo espressamente la necessità della fede e del battesimo (cfr. Mc 16,16; Gv 3,5), ha confermato simultaneamente la necessità della Chiesa, nella quale gli uomini entrano, per così dire, attraverso la porta del battesimo.-Ad Gentes 7

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Innanzitutto, deve essere fermamente creduto che la « Chiesa pellegrinante è necessaria alla salvezza. Infatti solo Cristo è il mediatore e la via della salvezza; ed egli si rende presente a noi nel suo Corpo che è la Chiesa. Ora Cristo, sottolineando a parole esplicite la necessità della fede e del battesimo (cf. Mc 16,16; Gv 3,5), ha insieme confermato la necessità della Chiesa, nella quale gli uomini entrano per il battesimo come per una porta ». Questa dottrina non va contrapposta alla volontà salvifica universale di Dio (cf. 1 Tm 2,4); perciò « è necessario tener congiunte queste due verità, cioè la reale possibilità della salvezza in Cristo per tutti gli uomini e la necessità della Chiesa in ordine a tale salvezza ». -Dominus Iesus 20

Friday, October 7, 2011
LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
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Wednesday, October 26, 2011

NON CATHOLICS CAN BE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE, BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Daphne McLeod, Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, England

Vatican Council II does not oppose the centuries old interpretation of the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.

Daphne McLeod yesterday (Oct.25,2011) said that the possibility of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance or with the baptism of desire does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

In an e-mail received yesterday (1) she also said that she had read the reports I sent her especially with reference to the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) and extra ecclesiam nulla salus. She agrees that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire do not contradict the dogma which tells us that every one needs to convert into the Church for salvation.

She said she accepts the possibility of non Catholics being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire (eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/…/catholic-church…).
However it is understood that these cases are known only to God.Non Catholic religions are not paths to salvation and their members need to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. This is the teaching of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II.

She is affirming the dogma which Pope Pius XII called ‘the infallible teaching’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949).This was the interpretation of the Church Fathers, it was defined at three Church Councils, repeated in the ordinary magisterium of the popes, taught by numerous saints and included in Vatican Council II (LG 14,AG 7).

Daphne McLeod who has taught for forty years in Catholic Junior and primary schools, daily teaching Religious Education is telling us that all the non-Catholic participants at the Assisi interfaith meeting tomorrow are oriented to Hell and there are no exceptions. This is the official teaching of the Catholic Church according to Magisterial texts.

Daphne McLeod has been a member of the Catholic Evidence Guild, and friend of Frank Sheed and Maisie Ward, she spoke regularly at Speaker’s Corner in Hyde Park. The Chairman of Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, U.K says that non Catholic religions, including those of Protestants and Orthodox Christians are not paths to salvation (Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, Vatican Council II LG 14, AG 7 etc). All non Catholics participating at the Assisi inter faith meeting are lost forever at the time of death unless they convert into the Church. This is not just her personal opinion but it has always been taught by the Catholic Church.

It may be mentioned that finally someone has said it loud and clear. We love all people and seek peace. We also believe that all non Catholics with no exception will go to the fires of Hell. This is not just a personal view but the teaching of the Catholic Church in three defined dogmas and in Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades

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1.Yes, of course, Lionel. That is what I was always taught about "Outside the Church there is no Salvation" way back when I was at school in the thirties and forties. That is also why we have always had missionaries who gave their lives to teach the Faith.-Daphne McLeod

ASSISI INTERFAITH MEETING OCT.27: OLD PROBLEM AMONG TRADITIONALISTS SURFACE
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SSPX CONSIDERS THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AS DE FACTO KNOWN TO US : DISCERNING LIBERALS MUST BE LAUGHING UP THEIR SLEEVE
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SSPX CONSIDERS THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AS EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS THIS IS HERESY
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SSPX IN HERESY CALLS ATTENTION TO HERESY AT ASSISI
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SSPX CLARIFY FOR US WHAT IS YOUR DOCTRINAL POSITION ON THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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ARCHBISHOP MARCEL LEFEBVRE CALLED "TO PREACH" THE RIGORIST INTERPRETATION OF "EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS"
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SSPX CLARIFY FOR US WHAT IS YOUR DOCTRINAL POSITION ON THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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NORMS FOR THE TRIDENTINE RITE MASS VIOLATED ?
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Michael Voris Hits the Jackpot…that is, “the dogma”- Brother André Marie MICM :RealCatholicTV affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
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CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
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FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
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BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
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CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF
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ANGELICUM UNIVERSITY IS CHURNING OUT THEOLOGY DEGREES FOR THOSE WHO SAY FR.LEONARD FEENEY WAS EXCOMMUNICATED FOR REJECTING THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE
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CONFERENCES WITHOUT THE DOGMA

Last month there was a symposium on the 60th anniversary of the dogma of the Assumption of Our Lady in Heaven. It was an international Marian symposium. It was organised by the Franciscans of the Immaculate and was opened with a Pontifical High Mass in the Extraordinary form of the Ancient Roman Rite. It was held at the Santuario della Madonna del Buon Consiglio in Frigento,Italy.

The cardinal spoke on Our Lady as Coredemptrix:Other speakers included Frs. Settimo and Giovanni Manelli F.I, Sr. Cecilia Manelli F.I and Fr. Masimilliano Degaspari F.I

Our Lady is Coredemptrix she shared in Jesus’ sufferings and is the Mother of the Church, the only Church Jesus founded, and in which everyone needs to formerly, visibly enter to receive the grace won for us by the Sacrifice of the only Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

We need to believe in Our Lady as Coredemptrix of all Graces in a Catholic Church which teaches that there is no non-Catholic on earth, none, who can be saved from Hell, unless he has Catholic Faith and the baptism of water and dies without the stain of a mortal sin on his soul.

Every person de facto needs to enter the Church for salvation said Fr. Massimiliano DeGaspari, one of the speakers, while speaking to me a few years back when he was the Rector of the Church Santa Maria di Annunziata, Lungotevere, Rome. De jure, in principle he said a non Catholic can be saved 'in certain circumstances’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949). This is a possibility but we do not know of any case in the present times. De facto there are no exceptions he said. This is the exclusiveness of the dogma outside the church there is no salvation. Pope Pius XII who gave us the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady called the dogma extra eccleisam nulla salus an ‘infallible statement’.

Fr. Settimo Mannelli one of the speakers at the Conference needs to affirm this thrice defined dogma.An American Philipino priest of their community who is a formator at their philosophy seminary in Boccea, Rome, where Fr.Settimo is the Rector, says this is a confusing subject and he does not want to teach something wrong.

Sr. Cecilia Mannelli F.I writes on the beauty of ‘the Mass of all Ages ‘but excludes any reference to the dogma which has accompanied the Mass of all Ages.

Fr. Giovanni Manelli F.I one of the speakers, mentions the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, when I spoke to him a few years back, as if they are explicitly known cases and they contradict the 'infallible statement'.

Yet all of them are clear on Our Lady being Coredemptrix and will express this teaching forthrightly.

Cardinal Raymond Burke has publicly endorsed Kolbean theology but never has spoken on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

If the Franciscans of the Immaculate hold a conference on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus there would be so much confusion.

In the Il Settimanale di Padre Pio (Oct 2, 2011) the magazine of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate a report says those in invincible ignorance are known only to God. They are unknown to us. The dogma mentions exclusiveness of salvation being there in only the Catholic Church. Everyone needs to convert into the Church, formally, visibly.This is the only ‘one way of salvation’ for all people in the present times.

Cases of ‘those saved through Jesus and the Church’ are hypothetical. Those saved by following their good conscience is a concept. There are no defacto cases known. It is unknown in the present times if anyone is saved who was ‘ignorant of the Gospel through no fault of this own’. We accept the possibility of this happening but do not know of any specific case. Neither is there any church document which refers to explicitly known baptism of desire or invincible ignorance. The Church Fathers never said that there were exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. We do not know of any non Catholic saved by following natural law. Also if someone was following natural law with a good conscience the Holy Spirit would have led him to the Catholic Church.

The possibility of all who are saved are ‘saved by Jesus and the Church ‘does not rule out the need for everyone in the present times to formally enter the Church for salvation. It also still means that millions of non Catholics are oriented to the fires of Hell (Cantate Domino, Council of Florence).

ASSISI
A seminar was held on Oct 1, 2011 in Rome on the subject of the interfaith meeting to be held at Assisi.

According to the teachings of the Catholic Church there is exclusive salvation in only one Church and we know that all the non Catholic participants at Assisi are not in this one, true Church.

According to Vatican Council II, the non Catholic participantsare out of the ‘ordinary means of salvation’ for all people (Catholic Faith and the baptism of water, Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7).The Christian participants have the baptism of water but not the necessary Catholic Faith; the Sacraments and the interpretation of the Gospel. The non Catholics participants cannot be saved through invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire since this is not the ordinary means of salvation.

We need programs on Mission, which convey these Church teachings to Catholic and non Catholics. We need conferences that express these Catholic teachings.-Lionel Andrades

Friday, October 7, 2011

LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE

Dean of the Faculty of Philosophy, University Pontifical Regina Apostolorum, Rome in his office today morning said he was familiar with the text of the dogma Cantate Domino and he would endorse it in public.

Fr. Rafael Pascual said he and other Legionaries of Christ priests took an oath in Church to be faithful to the Magisterium of the Church and he showed me on his computer the text of this oath.

He took exception to a report (1) I e-mailed him which indicated that the Legionaries of Christ priests have not affirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Fr. Pascual who is the Director of the Master of Science and Faith Institute knew that the dogma on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Cantate Domino (2) was in accord with Vatican Council II (LG 14,AG 7) (3), Dominus Iesus 20 (4) and other Magisterial text.

The Church also affirms it may be mentioned that non Catholics can be saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. However the Church Fathers, popes and Councils always new that these cases were implicit and so did not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They are only known to God and we would not meet any such case in person. Also no Magisterial text claims that they are explicitly known to us. -Lionel Andrades

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LEGIONARIES OF CHRIST PRIESTS IN ROME DO NOT DENY THAT THEY AFFIRM AND TEACH THE SECULAR, LIBERAL INTERPRETATION OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA
SALUS
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Pope Eugene IV, Cantate Domino (1441): "The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the "eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41), unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."-, Wikipedia, extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7

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Above all else, it must be firmly believed that “the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door”. This doctrine must not be set against the universal salvific will of God (cf. 1 Tim 2:4); “it is necessary to keep these two truths together, namely, the real possibility of salvation in Christ for all mankind and the necessity of the Church for this salvation”.- Dominus Iesus 20
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Saturday, September 24, 2011

APPEAL TO CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH, VATICAN: IT’S TIME TO CLARIFY THE BOSTON HERESY OF RICHARD CUSHING

CDF THERE IS NO EXPLICIT BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND NO TEXT MENTIONS IT: THERE IS NO KNOWN EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS OR TO VATICAN COUNCIL II (LG 14, AG 7)

PLEASE CORRECT THE ERROR OF EWTN, USCCB, WIKIPEDIA AND NUMEROUS OTHERS.

To His Eminence William Cardinal Levada,
Prefect, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.

Your Eminence,

The Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing refused to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted by Church Councils, the Church Fathers, popes, saints and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston. He denied that everyone needed to be a visible, explicit member of the Catholic Church for salvation with no exceptions. Instead he suggested that there were cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and this was explicitly known to us. He placed restrictions on the priestly faculties of Fr. Leonard Feeney even though the priest was not in heresy. He never corrected the Boston newspapers which reported that the Catholic Church has changed its centuries-old teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He refused to make the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 public for three years and even then would not lift the excommunication placed on Fr. Leonard Feeney for disobedience.

The same error of Richard Cushing is being made by Eternal Word Television Network(EWTN) in a report its has placed on the internet titled Tragic Errors of Fr. Leonard Feeney.The article by Fr.William Most is also available on EWTN's website.

Similarly the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) in the Notification on Fr. Peter Phan has stated that every one needs to enter the Church for salvation except for those in invincible ignorance etc. They are implying that invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and that we know explicit cases.

Wikipedia, the encyclopedia on the Internet makes the same error and this is a false catechesis of Catholics and misinformation about the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Kindly address this issue and prevent the slander of a good priest who was faithful to the teachings of the Catholic Church on extra ecclesiam nulla which Venerable Pope Pius XII referred to as 'the dogma', the 'infallible teaching'(Letter of the Holy Office 1949).

In Christ

Lionel Andrades
Catholic layman in Rome.
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
Blog: eucharistandmission.blogspot.com

ROBERT KENNEDY ASKED RICHARD CUSHING TO SUPPRESS FR.LEONARD FEENEY
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EWTN REMOVES FR.CORAPI BUT CONTINUES TO TEACH HERESY ON FR.LEONARD FEENEY WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE LOCAL BISHOP
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USCCB CLARIFICATION IN HERESY?
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USCCB CONTINUES TO MOCK CATHOLIC FAITH WHILE CDF COMMENT IS AWAITED : FEENEYISM IS THE OFFICIAL TEACHING OF THE MAGISTERIUM
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TO INTERPRET IMPLICIT FAITH (BAPTISM OF DESIRE ETC) AS REFERRING TO DE FACTO SALVATION WOULD BE HERESY- Don Massimiliano dei Gaspari F.I, Superior and Italian priest in Rome
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SECULAR CATECHESIS FOR CATHOLICS : NO ONE OBJECTS IN THE MEDIA
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THE MAGISTERIAL TEXTS, LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949, VATICAN COUNCIL II ETC USE THE DEJURE-DEFACTO LOGIC
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Michael Voris Hits the Jackpot…that is, “the dogma”- Brother André Marie MICM

RealCatholicTV affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

Outside the Church there is no Salvation (Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus)

“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:

• “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

• “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)

• “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

But man, following the example of his natural father, Adam, often disobeys the authority of God. The fact that the doctrine had to be thrice defined itself proves the Church’s paternal solicitude in correcting her erring children who fall into indifferentism. The first goal of Saint Benedict Center’s doctrinal Crusade is to defend this doctrine. We present here a selection of various articles written for that end.

Here are some recommended starting points on this all-important subject:

• The Popes on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

• The Fathers of the Church on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

• Doctrinal Summary

• Sentimental Theology

• Pelagius Lives

• Our Status in the Church (focusing on the doctrinal stance of Saint Benedict Center and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary) –from the website Catholicism.org
-Lionel Andrades

Michael Voris Hits the Jackpot…that is, “the dogma”- Brother André Marie MICM

RealCatholicTV affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
youtu.be/gaCbMcn46Wc

Outside the Church there is no Salvation (Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus)

“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:

• “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

• “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)

• “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

But man, following the example of his natural father, Adam, often disobeys the authority of God. The fact that the doctrine had to be thrice defined itself proves the Church’s paternal solicitude in correcting her erring children who fall into indifferentism. The first goal of Saint Benedict Center’s doctrinal Crusade is to defend this doctrine. We present here a selection of various articles written for that end.

Here are some recommended starting points on this all-important subject:

• The Popes on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

• The Fathers of the Church on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

• Doctrinal Summary

• Sentimental Theology

• Pelagius Lives

• Our Status in the Church (focusing on the doctrinal stance of Saint Benedict Center and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary) –from the website Catholicism.org
-Lionel Andrades

Monday, August 29, 2011

MEDUGORJE CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL II

Franciscan priests approve messages of visionaries before public announcement: Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7 indicates Catholic Faith and the baptism of water is the ordinary way of salvation for all, while Vicka says most people go to Heaven and Marija recommends a book which states the opposite. The book recommended by Our Lady to Marija affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted for centuries.

I personally believe that Our Lady is present in Medugorje in a very special way. I would recommend that Catholics make a private pilgrimage, attend Mass at the Church , and be part of the prayers, even if you do not meet the visionaries. I have been there twice. I have also read The Poem of the Man God by Maria Valtorta.

I was there when Fr. Slavko Barbaric OFM was present and made time to talk with me often. He was the Spiritual Director of the visionaries. I know that the visionaries later had different Spiritual Directors who would approve the messages of Our Lady before they were announced publicly. In Medugorje, personal questions are asked of Our Lady but the answers are not always made public.

The visionaries love the Church and are faithful to the teaching of the Church as explained to them by the Franciscan priests.

May be the system has changed since sometime back I saw on You tube a film of Mirjana receiving a message from Our Lady. She wrote it down immediately and it was announced in public. There was no priest there.

Vicka, one of the visionaries who has been shown Heaven and Hell by Our Lady, said that Our Lady told here that most people go to Heaven and few go to Hell.

This contradicts Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14), the ex cathedra dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence and the Bible. Jesus says the road to Hell is wide and most people take it so enter through the narrow gate. Jesus also aks us to proclaim the Good News and the person who does not believe in it will be condemned (Mk.16:16).John 3:5 says every one needs the Baptism of water for salvation and we know the Eucharist is needed by all for salvation in John Chapter 6.

Most people in the world are not baptized with water and do not have access to the Sacraments, especially the Eucharist yet Vicka says most people go to Heaven. Millions of people know about Jesus and the Church through education and world wide communications. They are oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II (AG 7).

Vicka also contradicts Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) which indicates that the ordinary way of salvation for all people is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water. This means non Catholics, without the Sacraments, in general are oriented to Hell at the time of death. This teaching is not contradicted by Lumen Gentium 16 on invincible ignorance and a good conscience.This is how the liberals and secular media interprets it.

The traditional teaching for centuries has been everyone with no exception needs to be an explicit, visible member of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

The Catholic Church still teaches that the ordinary means of salvation are not other religions. (Redemptoris Missio 55)

Non Catholics can be saved with the baptism of desire ‘in certain circumstances’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949). The baptism of desire is not the ordinary means of salvation. Implicit salvation i.e. those saved with a good conscience, invincible ignorance etc, is known only to God – and since everyone needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water to be saved, millions of non Catholics are oriented to Hell, they are on the way to Hell at the time of death. If there are any exceptions among them it would be known to God, however in general they would be lost eternally.

The road to Hell is wide and most people take it says Jesus. The saints also say that most people go to Hell e.g. St. Louis di Montfort. Non Catholics need to convert to avoid the fires of Hell says the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Cantate Domino, Council of Florence.Vicka’s message contradicts this dogma which has been thrice defined by Church Councils, ex cathedra.

It also contradicts Dominus Iesus 20 which states salvation is open to all people but to receive it all need to enter the Church.

Similarly the Catechism of the Catholic Church states that the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water. All need to enter the Church as through a door (CCC 846).God the Father wants all people to be united in the Catholic Church which is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood.

CCC 1257 mentions that God is not restricted to the Sacraments. There can be non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire, a good conscience, invincible ignorance and they would not be known to us. Since they would be known only to God it is possible in the present times, there may not be a single case. We don’t know.

However in principle (de jure) we accept the possibility of these exceptions; implicit salvation. De facto, in reality, we know that everyone needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

De jure, in principle we know that all those who are saved, are saved through Jesus and the Church. De facto we know, every one on earth needs the ordinary means of salvation. We cannot meet anyone on earth who is an exception to the ordinary means of salvation.

Vicka’s message not only contradicts the official teaching of the Catholic Church, according to Magisterial texts, including that of Pope John Paul II ( Redemptoris Missio, Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus, CDF Notification on Fr. Jacques Dupuis S.J etc) but Vicka also contradicts a message received by Marija, the other visionary.

Marija’s message was well known among Medugorje pilgrims and was mentioned in books on Medugorje and articles in publications approved at Medugorje.

Our Lady reportedly told Marija to read The Poem of the Man God by Maria Valtorta. Our Lady said this book would help Marija know about the childhood of the Blessed Mother.

A Croatian priest in Medugorje was critical of this book at a meeting of pilgrims where I was present too. The priest, who later left for the USA, was also critical of the apparitions of Our Lady at Medugorje.

It seemed as if at that time there was a tussle between two groups, two views, regarding this particular book and this message. The Poem of the Man God was reportedly placed on the Index but then removed. The Italian Catholic Bishops Conference has approved this book for Catholics. They found nothing in it contrary to the faith.

A lay spokesman for Medugorje, whom I contacted via e-mail, now denies that Our Lady recommended The Poem, of the Man Godto Marija. So a decision was made by the Franciscans? They have ‘cancelled’ that message?

The Poem of the Man God affirms the teaching of Vatican Council II and the dogma Cantate Domino. So was Marija’s message cancelled to appear ‘in conformity with the teachings of the Church’ as understood by Catholic liberals and the secular media?

Venerable Pope Pius XII refers to ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible teaching’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949). No where in this Letter is it said that Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston was excommunicated for heresy as the secular media allege. He was excommunicated for disobedience. The excommunication was lifted without him having to recant his teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Also how could he be excommunicated for saying everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church for salvation when this is exactly what the text of the dogma states. The popes and saints also said that everyone needed to be a formal, visible member of the Church.

How can non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance be an exception to the dogma, as liberal Catholics allege? We do not know any case of someone saved implicitly with the baptism of desire etc.

So was Vicka’s message for the Franciscans and others, a politically correct one?
-Lionel Andrades
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
Blog: eucharistandmission.blogspot.com
YouTube: it.youtube.com/LionelAndrades

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Monday, August 29, 2011

MEDUGORJE CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL II

Franciscan priests approve messages of visionaries before public announcement: Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7 indicates Catholic Faith and the baptism of water is the ordinary way of salvation for all, while Vicka says most people go to Heaven and Marija recommends a book which states the opposite. The book recommended by Our Lady to Marija affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted for centuries.

I personally believe that Our Lady is present in Medugorje in a very special way. I would recommend that Catholics make a private pilgrimage, attend Mass at the Church , and be part of the prayers, even if you do not meet the visionaries. I have been there twice. I have also read The Poem of the Man God by Maria Valtorta.

I was there when Fr. Slavko Barbaric OFM was present and made time to talk with me often. He was the Spiritual Director of the visionaries. I know that the visionaries later had different Spiritual Directors who would approve the messages of Our Lady before they were announced publicly. In Medugorje, personal questions are asked of Our Lady but the answers are not always made public.

The visionaries love the Church and are faithful to the teaching of the Church as explained to them by the Franciscan priests.

May be the system has changed since sometime back I saw on You tube a film of Mirjana receiving a message from Our Lady. She wrote it down immediately and it was announced in public. There was no priest there.

Vicka, one of the visionaries who has been shown Heaven and Hell by Our Lady, said that Our Lady told here that most people go to Heaven and few go to Hell.

This contradicts Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14), the ex cathedra dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence and the Bible. Jesus says the road to Hell is wide and most people take it so enter through the narrow gate. Jesus also aks us to proclaim the Good News and the person who does not believe in it will be condemned (Mk.16:16).John 3:5 says every one needs the Baptism of water for salvation and we know the Eucharist is needed by all for salvation in John Chapter 6.

Most people in the world are not baptized with water and do not have access to the Sacraments, especially the Eucharist yet Vicka says most people go to Heaven. Millions of people know about Jesus and the Church through education and world wide communications. They are oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II (AG 7).

Vicka also contradicts Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) which indicates that the ordinary way of salvation for all people is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water. This means non Catholics, without the Sacraments, in general are oriented to Hell at the time of death. This teaching is not contradicted by Lumen Gentium 16 on invincible ignorance and a good conscience.This is how the liberals and secular media interprets it.

The traditional teaching for centuries has been everyone with no exception needs to be an explicit, visible member of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

The Catholic Church still teaches that the ordinary means of salvation are not other religions. (Redemptoris Missio 55)

Non Catholics can be saved with the baptism of desire ‘in certain circumstances’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949). The baptism of desire is not the ordinary means of salvation. Implicit salvation i.e. those saved with a good conscience, invincible ignorance etc, is known only to God – and since everyone needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water to be saved, millions of non Catholics are oriented to Hell, they are on the way to Hell at the time of death. If there are any exceptions among them it would be known to God, however in general they would be lost eternally.

The road to Hell is wide and most people take it says Jesus. The saints also say that most people go to Hell e.g. St. Louis di Montfort. Non Catholics need to convert to avoid the fires of Hell says the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Cantate Domino, Council of Florence.Vicka’s message contradicts this dogma which has been thrice defined by Church Councils, ex cathedra.

It also contradicts Dominus Iesus 20 which states salvation is open to all people but to receive it all need to enter the Church.

Similarly the Catechism of the Catholic Church states that the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water. All need to enter the Church as through a door (CCC 846).God the Father wants all people to be united in the Catholic Church which is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood.

CCC 1257 mentions that God is not restricted to the Sacraments. There can be non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire, a good conscience, invincible ignorance and they would not be known to us. Since they would be known only to God it is possible in the present times, there may not be a single case. We don’t know.

However in principle (de jure) we accept the possibility of these exceptions; implicit salvation. De facto, in reality, we know that everyone needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

De jure, in principle we know that all those who are saved, are saved through Jesus and the Church. De facto we know, every one on earth needs the ordinary means of salvation. We cannot meet anyone on earth who is an exception to the ordinary means of salvation.

Vicka’s message not only contradicts the official teaching of the Catholic Church, according to Magisterial texts, including that of Pope John Paul II ( Redemptoris Missio, Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus, CDF Notification on Fr. Jacques Dupuis S.J etc) but Vicka also contradicts a message received by Marija, the other visionary.

Marija’s message was well known among Medugorje pilgrims and was mentioned in books on Medugorje and articles in publications approved at Medugorje.

Our Lady reportedly told Marija to read The Poem of the Man God by Maria Valtorta. Our Lady said this book would help Marija know about the childhood of the Blessed Mother.

A Croatian priest in Medugorje was critical of this book at a meeting of pilgrims where I was present too. The priest, who later left for the USA, was also critical of the apparitions of Our Lady at Medugorje.

It seemed as if at that time there was a tussle between two groups, two views, regarding this particular book and this message. The Poem of the Man God was reportedly placed on the Index but then removed. The Italian Catholic Bishops Conference has approved this book for Catholics. They found nothing in it contrary to the faith.

A lay spokesman for Medugorje, whom I contacted via e-mail, now denies that Our Lady recommended The Poem, of the Man Godto Marija. So a decision was made by the Franciscans? They have ‘cancelled’ that message?

The Poem of the Man God affirms the teaching of Vatican Council II and the dogma Cantate Domino. So was Marija’s message cancelled to appear ‘in conformity with the teachings of the Church’ as understood by Catholic liberals and the secular media?

Venerable Pope Pius XII refers to ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible teaching’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949). No where in this Letter is it said that Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston was excommunicated for heresy as the secular media allege. He was excommunicated for disobedience. The excommunication was lifted without him having to recant his teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Also how could he be excommunicated for saying everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church for salvation when this is exactly what the text of the dogma states. The popes and saints also said that everyone needed to be a formal, visible member of the Church.

How can non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance be an exception to the dogma, as liberal Catholics allege? We do not know any case of someone saved implicitly with the baptism of desire etc.

So was Vicka’s message for the Franciscans and others, a politically correct one?
-Lionel Andrades
E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com
Blog: eucharistandmission.blogspot.com
YouTube: it.youtube.com/LionelAndrades

eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/…/medugorje-contr…

Monday, August 29, 2011

MEDUGORJE CONTRADICTS VATICAN COUNCIL II

Franciscan priests approve messages of visionaries before public announcement: Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7 indicates Catholic Faith and the baptism of water is the ordinary way of salvation for all, while Vicka says most people go to Heaven and Marija recommends a book which states the opposite. The book recommended by Our Lady to Marija affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted for centuries.

I personally believe that Our Lady is present in Medugorje in a very special way. I would recommend that Catholics make a private pilgrimage, attend Mass at the Church , and be part of the prayers, even if you do not meet the visionaries. I have been there twice. I have also read The Poem of the Man God by Maria Valtorta.

I was there when Fr. Slavko Barbaric OFM was present and made time to talk with me often. He was the Spiritual Director of the visionaries. I know that the visionaries later had different Spiritual Directors who would approve the messages of Our Lady before they were announced publicly. In Medugorje, personal questions are asked of Our Lady but the answers are not always made public.

The visionaries love the Church and are faithful to the teaching of the Church as explained to them by the Franciscan priests.

May be the system has changed since sometime back I saw on You tube a film of Mirjana receiving a message from Our Lady. She wrote it down immediately and it was announced in public. There was no priest there.

Vicka, one of the visionaries who has been shown Heaven and Hell by Our Lady, said that Our Lady told here that most people go to Heaven and few go to Hell.

This contradicts Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14), the ex cathedra dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence and the Bible. Jesus says the road to Hell is wide and most people take it so enter through the narrow gate. Jesus also aks us to proclaim the Good News and the person who does not believe in it will be condemned (Mk.16:16).John 3:5 says every one needs the Baptism of water for salvation and we know the Eucharist is needed by all for salvation in John Chapter 6.

Most people in the world are not baptized with water and do not have access to the Sacraments, especially the Eucharist yet Vicka says most people go to Heaven. Millions of people know about Jesus and the Church through education and world wide communications. They are oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II (AG 7).

Vicka also contradicts Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) which indicates that the ordinary way of salvation for all people is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water. This means non Catholics, without the Sacraments, in general are oriented to Hell at the time of death. This teaching is not contradicted by Lumen Gentium 16 on invincible ignorance and a good conscience.This is how the liberals and secular media interprets it.

The traditional teaching for centuries has been everyone with no exception needs to be an explicit, visible member of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

The Catholic Church still teaches that the ordinary means of salvation are not other religions. (Redemptoris Missio 55)

Non Catholics can be saved with the baptism of desire ‘in certain circumstances’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949). The baptism of desire is not the ordinary means of salvation. Implicit salvation i.e. those saved with a good conscience, invincible ignorance etc, is known only to God – and since everyone needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water to be saved, millions of non Catholics are oriented to Hell, they are on the way to Hell at the time of death. If there are any exceptions among them it would be known to God, however in general they would be lost eternally.

The road to Hell is wide and most people take it says Jesus. The saints also say that most people go to Hell e.g. St. Louis di Montfort. Non Catholics need to convert to avoid the fires of Hell says the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Cantate Domino, Council of Florence.Vicka’s message contradicts this dogma which has been thrice defined by Church Councils, ex cathedra.

It also contradicts Dominus Iesus 20 which states salvation is open to all people but to receive it all need to enter the Church.

Similarly the Catechism of the Catholic Church states that the Church knows of no means to eternal beatitude other than the baptism of water. All need to enter the Church as through a door (CCC 846).God the Father wants all people to be united in the Catholic Church which is the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood.

CCC 1257 mentions that God is not restricted to the Sacraments. There can be non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire, a good conscience, invincible ignorance and they would not be known to us. Since they would be known only to God it is possible in the present times, there may not be a single case. We don’t know.

However in principle (de jure) we accept the possibility of these exceptions; implicit salvation. De facto, in reality, we know that everyone needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

De jure, in principle we know that all those who are saved, are saved through Jesus and the Church. De facto we know, every one on earth needs the ordinary means of salvation. We cannot meet anyone on earth who is an exception to the ordinary means of salvation.

Vicka’s message not only contradicts the official teaching of the Catholic Church, according to Magisterial texts, including that of Pope John Paul II ( Redemptoris Missio, Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus, CDF Notification on Fr. Jacques Dupuis S.J etc) but Vicka also contradicts a message received by Marija, the other visionary.

Marija’s message was well known among Medugorje pilgrims and was mentioned in books on Medugorje and articles in publications approved at Medugorje.

Our Lady reportedly told Marija to read The Poem of the Man God by Maria Valtorta. Our Lady said this book would help Marija know about the childhood of the Blessed Mother.

A Croatian priest in Medugorje was critical of this book at a meeting of pilgrims where I was present too. The priest, who later left for the USA, was also critical of the apparitions of Our Lady at Medugorje.

It seemed as if at that time there was a tussle between two groups, two views, regarding this particular book and this message. The Poem of the Man God was reportedly placed on the Index but then removed. The Italian Catholic Bishops Conference has approved this book for Catholics. They found nothing in it contrary to the faith.

A lay spokesman for Medugorje, whom I contacted via e-mail, now denies that Our Lady recommended The Poem, of the Man Godto Marija. So a decision was made by the Franciscans? They have ‘cancelled’ that message?

The Poem of the Man God affirms the teaching of Vatican Council II and the dogma Cantate Domino. So was Marija’s message cancelled to appear ‘in conformity with the teachings of the Church’ as understood by Catholic liberals and the secular media?

Venerable Pope Pius XII refers to ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible teaching’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949). No where in this Letter is it said that Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston was excommunicated for heresy as the secular media allege. He was excommunicated for disobedience. The excommunication was lifted without him having to recant his teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Also how could he be excommunicated for saying everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church for salvation when this is exactly what the text of the dogma states. The popes and saints also said that everyone needed to be a formal, visible member of the Church.

How can non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance be an exception to the dogma, as liberal Catholics allege? We do not know any case of someone saved implicitly with the baptism of desire etc.

So was Vicka’s message for the Franciscans and others, a politically correct one?
-Lionel Andrades
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WORLD YOUTH DAY : QUESTIONS UNANSWERED BY RealCatholicTV

RealCatholicTV has produced a video on the Catholic Church being the one, true Church for salvation yet so many questions are unanswered.(Only Catholics in Heaven youtu.be/2Dcfj0PU_JQ ) There is so much confusion among Catholics on this subject.

1. Are all Protestants and Orthodox Catholics on the way to Hell as states the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

2. Does the Church still teach that all Hindus, Jews, Muslims and other non Christians, with no exception are on the path to Hell, unless they convert into the Church?

3. Venerable Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 referred to the ‘dogma’, the ‘infallible teaching’. Through ‘the dogma’ was the pope saying all non Catholics in Boston need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell?

4. Can implicit baptism of desire be known to us 'explicitly' in particular cases, so it contradicts the dogma?

5. If only Jesus knows who is saved in invincible ignorance then how can Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

6. How can the secular media claim that Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy when he was repeating exactly what was taught by the Church Councils, popes and saints on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

7. When the secular media, Reuters for example, claims that the Catholic Church has changed its teaching, after Vatican Council II, regarding other religions, where is the text in Vatican Council II for the basis of this false claim?

8. Where in Nostra Aetate, Vatican Council II is it said that non Catholic religions are paths to salvation or that non Catholics can be saved in general in their religion?

9. Why in all the Catholic Churches in the USA do they proclaim Jesus without the Church; without the necessity of membership in the Church for salvation?

So when the RealCatholic TV team talk to youth at the World Youth Day in Spain, young people could ask, “Why is abortion wrong when the Protestants allow it and they are all going to Heaven according to the Catholic Church?”, “If the Church can change its teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus can it not do so also on contraception?”, “If all Hindus, Muslims and , Buddhists are not going to Hell with mortal sins on their soul what is wrong with contraception ?”, “Even Lutherans who dress immodestly will go to Heaven if they are in invincible ignorance? The dogma indicated originally that they are all, with no exception, on the way to Hell now you make an exception with invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire? Like you can also make an exception for immodesty in clothes and wilful lust as not being a mortal sin?”

“All roads lead to Heaven, like, you don’t say on Real Catholic TV that all the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Pentecostals are damned to Hell?”

“I mean if Vatican Council II has changed Church teaching on outside the Church there is no salvation, then I guess, everything is open to change?”

“If it is prudent, expedient and politically safe for you to deny an ex cathedra dogma cannot I have reasons also to abort?”
-Lionel Andrades
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THURSDAY, JULY 28, 2011

REAL CATHOLIC TV ADMINISTRATION IN CONFUSION OVER DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

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