Voris and the SSPX: An unholy obsession. Louie Verrecchio exposes and explains how Michael Voris and CMTV, are positively obsessed with the Society of St. Pius X. Enough already.More
Voris and the SSPX: An unholy obsession.
Louie Verrecchio exposes and explains how Michael Voris and CMTV, are positively obsessed with the Society of St. Pius X. Enough already.
Louie Verrecchio exposes and explains how Michael Voris and CMTV, are positively obsessed with the Society of St. Pius X. Enough already.
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BOMBSHELL: Bishop Morlino Apologizes to SSPX - I wonder if Michael Voris and the rest at CMTV will clarify their constant parading of Bp. Morlino's supposed statement on the SSPX which he, in the previously posted linked video, admits he never actually wrote and openly and publicly apologizes to the SSPX! I wonder if @michael newman and @Dr Stuart Reiss want to maybe apologize to? Are they man …More
BOMBSHELL: Bishop Morlino Apologizes to SSPX - I wonder if Michael Voris and the rest at CMTV will clarify their constant parading of Bp. Morlino's supposed statement on the SSPX which he, in the previously posted linked video, admits he never actually wrote and openly and publicly apologizes to the SSPX! I wonder if @michael newman and @Dr Stuart Reiss want to maybe apologize to? Are they man enough, like this Bishop?
I go away for a week to a conference and find you cannot leave well enough alone and certainly do not seem to realize when you are beaten because you lose all ground to stand on and just make personal attacks. I guess it takes all kinds ...
@Dr Stuart Reiss, I kept it simple for you but since you are only one person on this site who posts and when we count in all the others who just happen along to read and never post and never join you really are insignificant and I do not have dumb it all down for the rest of the world.
@michael newman - maybe you can clarify for us if you believe it is not just licit but prudent to attend a Novus Ordo Missae where the Priest offers Holy Communion to homosexuals? Has girls as altar servers? How about allowing "extraordinary ministers of communion" (who are women, are divorced and remarried, there is no real emergency to have them as the Priest goes and sits down while these "ministers" hand out (literally ...) Communion? Has liturgical dancing. Never preaches - but only seemingly confirms the "faithful" (who know very little to nothing about their faith - and certainly do not know the 10 Commandments) in their "behaviours". Shall I go on?
I go away for a week to a conference and find you cannot leave well enough alone and certainly do not seem to realize when you are beaten because you lose all ground to stand on and just make personal attacks. I guess it takes all kinds ...
@Dr Stuart Reiss, I kept it simple for you but since you are only one person on this site who posts and when we count in all the others who just happen along to read and never post and never join you really are insignificant and I do not have dumb it all down for the rest of the world.
@michael newman - maybe you can clarify for us if you believe it is not just licit but prudent to attend a Novus Ordo Missae where the Priest offers Holy Communion to homosexuals? Has girls as altar servers? How about allowing "extraordinary ministers of communion" (who are women, are divorced and remarried, there is no real emergency to have them as the Priest goes and sits down while these "ministers" hand out (literally ...) Communion? Has liturgical dancing. Never preaches - but only seemingly confirms the "faithful" (who know very little to nothing about their faith - and certainly do not know the 10 Commandments) in their "behaviours". Shall I go on?
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@Dr Stuart Reiss - I am sorry (for you) that you could not control your emotions more. You claim your "doctorate" is in medicine, I believe, if I remember your previous outburst correctly. My post graduate work was/is in psychology. I would guess I have taken more academic classes than you and in them we have to present our arguments and defend them as well as effectively counter another's. However …More
@Dr Stuart Reiss - I am sorry (for you) that you could not control your emotions more. You claim your "doctorate" is in medicine, I believe, if I remember your previous outburst correctly. My post graduate work was/is in psychology. I would guess I have taken more academic classes than you and in them we have to present our arguments and defend them as well as effectively counter another's. However, you seem to merely start to "go off your rocker" when it comes to dialogue, for some reason. Still, one's major is not an excuse for not being able to follow the Socratic Method when it comes to philosophical/theological discussions.
You start with a claim, but cannot defend it and merely resort to name-calling and other abusive methods. How many of your posts have been removed by the moderators on this site? How many warnings have you gotten? How close are you to being banned?
Personally, I kind of like seeing your psychotic comments on here - it shows the rest of the readers on this blog the real side of you.
Actually, it was you who first dropped the name of Bp. Schneider. I merely corrected your falsehoods by providing an actual quote of his, not an unreferenced claim to something he supposedly said.
As for his role, he was asked by the Vatican to visit SSPX seminaries around the world, in an official capacity, as part of the continuing dialogue between the Vatican and the SSPX. Yes, continuing. While visiting he came to the logical conclusion there are no problems with the SSPX and reported as such back to Rome. He also stated exactly that publicly to Michael Voris.
These visits were also conducted by Cardinal Brandmuller to the seminary in Zaitzkofen, Germany in December (sspx.org/…/cardinal-brandm…).
These visits and meetings are a way of continuing the doctrinal discussions between the Society of St. Pius X and the Roman authorities, "in a larger and less formal context than that of the preceding meetings," according to the decision made during the meeting of Bishop Fellay with Cardinal Gerhard Muller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on September 23, 2014.
Yes, by Cardinal Muller (another name you dropped hoping to add validity to your "argument" that you did not research and shows it is based upon mere here-say and opinion as opposed to any researched evidence or you would have KNOWN it was Cardinal Muller who asked both Cardinal Brandmuller and Bp Schneider to conduct those visits in an official capacity. So, yes, contrary to your audacious claim, Bp. Schneider DOES have an office of authority in the Vatican in this matter.
As for the official remarks of Bp. Schneider, they go beyond what was said to Michael Voris and include the statement, "The SSPX has [the] Mind of [the] Church" (sspx.ca/…/bishop-schneide…).
As for acting like a duck - I believe that is quite revealing in regards to your psychotic behaviour as evidenced by your postings content (DSM-5). But hey, that is just my professional opinion.
So again, I have countered your points by showing them to not be valid. The gentleman scholar would rethink his arguments and try to restate them, but I think you should start to admit defeat.
The non-gentlemanly non-(____) would merely rant and rave and make various discouraging remarks attacking another personally and making up various statements that do not even make sense (those of which I will not lower myself to respond to but help to confirm my diagnosis).
You start with a claim, but cannot defend it and merely resort to name-calling and other abusive methods. How many of your posts have been removed by the moderators on this site? How many warnings have you gotten? How close are you to being banned?
Personally, I kind of like seeing your psychotic comments on here - it shows the rest of the readers on this blog the real side of you.
Actually, it was you who first dropped the name of Bp. Schneider. I merely corrected your falsehoods by providing an actual quote of his, not an unreferenced claim to something he supposedly said.
As for his role, he was asked by the Vatican to visit SSPX seminaries around the world, in an official capacity, as part of the continuing dialogue between the Vatican and the SSPX. Yes, continuing. While visiting he came to the logical conclusion there are no problems with the SSPX and reported as such back to Rome. He also stated exactly that publicly to Michael Voris.
These visits were also conducted by Cardinal Brandmuller to the seminary in Zaitzkofen, Germany in December (sspx.org/…/cardinal-brandm…).
These visits and meetings are a way of continuing the doctrinal discussions between the Society of St. Pius X and the Roman authorities, "in a larger and less formal context than that of the preceding meetings," according to the decision made during the meeting of Bishop Fellay with Cardinal Gerhard Muller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on September 23, 2014.
Yes, by Cardinal Muller (another name you dropped hoping to add validity to your "argument" that you did not research and shows it is based upon mere here-say and opinion as opposed to any researched evidence or you would have KNOWN it was Cardinal Muller who asked both Cardinal Brandmuller and Bp Schneider to conduct those visits in an official capacity. So, yes, contrary to your audacious claim, Bp. Schneider DOES have an office of authority in the Vatican in this matter.
As for the official remarks of Bp. Schneider, they go beyond what was said to Michael Voris and include the statement, "The SSPX has [the] Mind of [the] Church" (sspx.ca/…/bishop-schneide…).
As for acting like a duck - I believe that is quite revealing in regards to your psychotic behaviour as evidenced by your postings content (DSM-5). But hey, that is just my professional opinion.
So again, I have countered your points by showing them to not be valid. The gentleman scholar would rethink his arguments and try to restate them, but I think you should start to admit defeat.
The non-gentlemanly non-(____) would merely rant and rave and make various discouraging remarks attacking another personally and making up various statements that do not even make sense (those of which I will not lower myself to respond to but help to confirm my diagnosis).
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@Dr Stuart Reiss - I've learned my lesson previously, and I apologize for that, to not offer too much in the way of responses in attempting to dialogue with you but instead having to stick to the KISS principle.
1) Doctrinal differences is not schism, nor in this case is it heresy, of any sort - if it was it would be stated as such.
2) Micheal Voris' attacks should begin with himself and CMTV then …More
@Dr Stuart Reiss - I've learned my lesson previously, and I apologize for that, to not offer too much in the way of responses in attempting to dialogue with you but instead having to stick to the KISS principle.
1) Doctrinal differences is not schism, nor in this case is it heresy, of any sort - if it was it would be stated as such.
2) Micheal Voris' attacks should begin with himself and CMTV then, as he stated the exact same things as said video, REPEATEDLY (which is why so many are so upset at this hypocrisy and 180 change of face - you must not be familiar with his earlier work:
www.churchmilitant.com/…/weapons-of-mass…
www.churchmilitant.com/…/weapons-of-mass…
www.churchmilitant.com/…/weapons-of-mass…
www.churchmilitant.com/…/weapons-of-mass…
harvestingthefruit.com/how-michael-voris-rolls/
3) Muller and the CDF have never published anything official stating heresy nor schism in regards to the SSPX so bringing him into this is a waste of time and mere name dropping.
1) Doctrinal differences is not schism, nor in this case is it heresy, of any sort - if it was it would be stated as such.
2) Micheal Voris' attacks should begin with himself and CMTV then, as he stated the exact same things as said video, REPEATEDLY (which is why so many are so upset at this hypocrisy and 180 change of face - you must not be familiar with his earlier work:
www.churchmilitant.com/…/weapons-of-mass…
www.churchmilitant.com/…/weapons-of-mass…
www.churchmilitant.com/…/weapons-of-mass…
www.churchmilitant.com/…/weapons-of-mass…
harvestingthefruit.com/how-michael-voris-rolls/
3) Muller and the CDF have never published anything official stating heresy nor schism in regards to the SSPX so bringing him into this is a waste of time and mere name dropping.
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@Dr Stuart Reiss It is kind of hard to misinterpret a quote of Bp. Schneider when it states:
“To my knowledge there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they should be accepted as they are.”More
@Dr Stuart Reiss It is kind of hard to misinterpret a quote of Bp. Schneider when it states:
“To my knowledge there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they should be accepted as they are.”
“To my knowledge there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they should be accepted as they are.”
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Bishop Athanasius Schneider states, "“To my knowledge there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they should be accepted as they are.”
Pope Francis decreed that the priests of the SSPX are given the jurisdiction to hear confessions and to offer absolution validly and licitly during the Year of Mercy.
Popes do not …More
Bishop Athanasius Schneider states, "“To my knowledge there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they should be accepted as they are.”
Pope Francis decreed that the priests of the SSPX are given the jurisdiction to hear confessions and to offer absolution validly and licitly during the Year of Mercy.
Popes do not grant to schismatics nor heretics universal power to absolve the sins of the Catholic faithful.
Pope Francis decreed that the priests of the SSPX are given the jurisdiction to hear confessions and to offer absolution validly and licitly during the Year of Mercy.
Popes do not grant to schismatics nor heretics universal power to absolve the sins of the Catholic faithful.
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Church Militant.tv and Michael Voris and their puppet master money man are positively obssessed; obsessed with slandering at every turn the Society of St. Pius X.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider – a man Michael Voris has interviewed and relied upon many times as a credible source of insight on the crisis effecting the Catholic Church – recently visited two SSPX seminaries as a legate of …More
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Church Militant.tv and Michael Voris and their puppet master money man are positively obssessed; obsessed with slandering at every turn the Society of St. Pius X.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider – a man Michael Voris has interviewed and relied upon many times as a credible source of insight on the crisis effecting the Catholic Church – recently visited two SSPX seminaries as a legate of the Holy See and came away with nothing but praise.
He even went so far as to say, and I quote:
“To my knowledge there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they should be accepted as they are.”
No weighty reasons…
Did you get that? This being the case, it’s no wonder he never even hinted at the ridiculous notion that this group – who he believes should be accepted as they are – is in schism, formal or otherwise.
So what does Voris do?
He seeks clarification from Bishop Schneider, whose response made it crystal clear that allegations of schism have no part in this conversation.
End of story?
Not even close.
Being obsessed with an irrational hatred for the Society – one that may have originated in the checkbook of his benefactor but now belongs entirely to him as well – Voris went back to attacking the SSPX; misrepresenting His Excellency’s words and labeling those good Catholics who are sympathetic to the Society and their positions as, “those who support schism.”
Two days ago, Pope Francis decreed that the priests of the SSPX are given the jurisdiction to hear confessions and to offer absolution validly and licitly during the Year of Mercy.
As my friend Chris Ferrara said:
“Popes don’t grant to schismatics universal power to absolve the sins of the Catholic faithful.”
Obvious enough right?
So, how did CMTV react?
By firing off yet another round of accusations of schism.
Maybe PO-sessed is more accurate.
It’s sad, really. At one time I had nothing but respect for Michael Voris and the work he was doing. I called him “friend,” and I still have high hopes that he’ll return to being what he once was … but things have changed and changed drastically.
At one time, CMTV was determined to uncover the truth and to “expose lies and falsehoods.”
Now, unfortunately, they are so overcome with some unholy obsession that they think nothing of telling their own lies and falsehoods – over and over and over again – about a group whose only crime is to believe and to behave as Catholics have always behaved and believed.
So, why not just ignore these people?
Well, as Pope St. Felix III said:
“Not to oppose error, is to approve it, and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.”
In addition to that, CMTV is misleading God only knows how many souls.
Look, I’ve never been one to beat around the bush so I’ll get right to it.
Over the last week, I’ve heard from any number of current and former CMTV subscribers who either have, or are seriously considering, canceling their subscription.
More than one has made it a point of telling me that they withdrew their support from CMTV so they could redirect that support to the Harvesting the Fruit blog. I’m humbled by that.
If you’re a current subscriber to CMTV and you’re growing weary of their unhealthy fixation on the Society of St. Pius X, when God knows that they and those who sympathize with them are not the problem in the Church today …
If you’re finding their refusal to directly engage the incredibly dangerous words and deeds of Pope Francis – a Roman Pontiff who, incidentally, is about to preside over a Synod of Bishops that he is charging with finding ways to change that which every Catholic knows is unchangeable – if you’re finding that position increasingly untenable; to the point of falling right into the trap of which Pope St. Felix warned when he said: “Not to oppose error, is to approve it…”
If you recognize the degree to which their priorities have so obviously shifted away from what they once were…
Then please consider joining those who have chosen to redirect their support to the Harvesting the Fruit of Vatican II blog.
We don’t have “premium” members here. Everyone – from the silent casual reader to the most prolific commenter and everyone in between is equally as important in what we’re doing.
We also don’t have the luxury of a state of the art studio, a building out of which to operate, or a wealthy benefactor to pay our bills; much less tell us what song sheet we’re obligated to sing from.
In fact, I’m making this video on my iPhone right now; I’ll edit it with some free program I found online and then upload it myself on my laptop later…
What we do have, however, is an obsession of our own.
Speaking for myself, I may not always get it right, but I can promise you this:
Fr. Jose Miguel Marques Campo and I are obsessed with opposing error, defending truth and confounding evil men whenever and however we can no matter the cost.
And believe me, doing so does indeed come at a cost; one that extends well beyond dollars and cents.
So, if you can help us continue this effort financially, please do. We very much need it and will your kindness will be greatly appreciated.
Share this video far and wide and invite your friends to visit the blog to have their eyes opened.
In all cases, please pray for us; that we might persevere in the face of the persecution – not only the persecution to come – but the persecution that is starring us squarely in the face at this very moment as we do our best to stand up in defense of Christ the King and His Holy Catholic Church.
Church Militant.tv and Michael Voris and their puppet master money man are positively obssessed; obsessed with slandering at every turn the Society of St. Pius X.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider – a man Michael Voris has interviewed and relied upon many times as a credible source of insight on the crisis effecting the Catholic Church – recently visited two SSPX seminaries as a legate of the Holy See and came away with nothing but praise.
He even went so far as to say, and I quote:
“To my knowledge there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they should be accepted as they are.”
No weighty reasons…
Did you get that? This being the case, it’s no wonder he never even hinted at the ridiculous notion that this group – who he believes should be accepted as they are – is in schism, formal or otherwise.
So what does Voris do?
He seeks clarification from Bishop Schneider, whose response made it crystal clear that allegations of schism have no part in this conversation.
End of story?
Not even close.
Being obsessed with an irrational hatred for the Society – one that may have originated in the checkbook of his benefactor but now belongs entirely to him as well – Voris went back to attacking the SSPX; misrepresenting His Excellency’s words and labeling those good Catholics who are sympathetic to the Society and their positions as, “those who support schism.”
Two days ago, Pope Francis decreed that the priests of the SSPX are given the jurisdiction to hear confessions and to offer absolution validly and licitly during the Year of Mercy.
As my friend Chris Ferrara said:
“Popes don’t grant to schismatics universal power to absolve the sins of the Catholic faithful.”
Obvious enough right?
So, how did CMTV react?
By firing off yet another round of accusations of schism.
Maybe PO-sessed is more accurate.
It’s sad, really. At one time I had nothing but respect for Michael Voris and the work he was doing. I called him “friend,” and I still have high hopes that he’ll return to being what he once was … but things have changed and changed drastically.
At one time, CMTV was determined to uncover the truth and to “expose lies and falsehoods.”
Now, unfortunately, they are so overcome with some unholy obsession that they think nothing of telling their own lies and falsehoods – over and over and over again – about a group whose only crime is to believe and to behave as Catholics have always behaved and believed.
So, why not just ignore these people?
Well, as Pope St. Felix III said:
“Not to oppose error, is to approve it, and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.”
In addition to that, CMTV is misleading God only knows how many souls.
Look, I’ve never been one to beat around the bush so I’ll get right to it.
Over the last week, I’ve heard from any number of current and former CMTV subscribers who either have, or are seriously considering, canceling their subscription.
More than one has made it a point of telling me that they withdrew their support from CMTV so they could redirect that support to the Harvesting the Fruit blog. I’m humbled by that.
If you’re a current subscriber to CMTV and you’re growing weary of their unhealthy fixation on the Society of St. Pius X, when God knows that they and those who sympathize with them are not the problem in the Church today …
If you’re finding their refusal to directly engage the incredibly dangerous words and deeds of Pope Francis – a Roman Pontiff who, incidentally, is about to preside over a Synod of Bishops that he is charging with finding ways to change that which every Catholic knows is unchangeable – if you’re finding that position increasingly untenable; to the point of falling right into the trap of which Pope St. Felix warned when he said: “Not to oppose error, is to approve it…”
If you recognize the degree to which their priorities have so obviously shifted away from what they once were…
Then please consider joining those who have chosen to redirect their support to the Harvesting the Fruit of Vatican II blog.
We don’t have “premium” members here. Everyone – from the silent casual reader to the most prolific commenter and everyone in between is equally as important in what we’re doing.
We also don’t have the luxury of a state of the art studio, a building out of which to operate, or a wealthy benefactor to pay our bills; much less tell us what song sheet we’re obligated to sing from.
In fact, I’m making this video on my iPhone right now; I’ll edit it with some free program I found online and then upload it myself on my laptop later…
What we do have, however, is an obsession of our own.
Speaking for myself, I may not always get it right, but I can promise you this:
Fr. Jose Miguel Marques Campo and I are obsessed with opposing error, defending truth and confounding evil men whenever and however we can no matter the cost.
And believe me, doing so does indeed come at a cost; one that extends well beyond dollars and cents.
So, if you can help us continue this effort financially, please do. We very much need it and will your kindness will be greatly appreciated.
Share this video far and wide and invite your friends to visit the blog to have their eyes opened.
In all cases, please pray for us; that we might persevere in the face of the persecution – not only the persecution to come – but the persecution that is starring us squarely in the face at this very moment as we do our best to stand up in defense of Christ the King and His Holy Catholic Church.