Catholic Church's celibacy rule 'can change' according to Pope Francis

Pope Francis spoke of being 'dazzled' by girl, possible change of celibacy rule

Pope Francis suggested in an interview last year that the Catholic Church's rule that priests be celibate "can change" and admitted he was tempted by a woman as a young seminarian.

He said that the married clergy of the Eastern churches are "very good priests" and those pushing for the same in Roman Catholicism do so "with a certain pragmatism."

He said that "for the moment" he was in favor of maintaining the celibacy rule "because we have ten centuries of good experiences rather than failures."

But, he added, "It is a matter of discipline, not of faith. It can change."

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But DO not come around putting articles that are aimed to change the church, its rules, its traditions

This is a valid relevant news story because the Pope is quoted and THAT'S what makes it news. By the way, I will "come around" and post news stories that I see fit. If you don't like this story, take it up with the pope who was quoted in the article.

In fact, send Pope Francis your entire post. I'm sure he's never thought of any of these things and that he will be so impressed that he will totally abandon the idea of a married priesthood.

AngryWomenAgainstMarriedPriests@vaticancity.com



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WHERE ARE ALL THE MEN? DO WE HAVE TO DEFEND YOUR HONOR WHEN IT COMES TO PRIESTHOOD? Shame on you

With all due respect, we can not fall into absurdities nor into mediocrity, but whoever wrote this article I have to ask, have you stopped to think for a moment how ridiculous this article sounds?, many apostles were married men by the time our Lord Jesus called them, but our Lord Jesus and St. Paul were not. Our Blessed Lord states celibacy in his word in Matthew (as I will refer to it at the end of this writing) and St. Paul re-declares it in 1 Cor 7:6-7 where he says

"I say this by way of concession, not of command. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one kind and one of another"

Just like Irenaeus below pointed out.

Let me remind you a couple of facts among MANY. Let's start with THE WORD CELIBACY WHICH CAN NOT BE CHANGED, MODIFIED OR REDEFINED AS THE WORD ITSELF SAYS IN ITS MEANING WHAT CELIBACY IS ALL ABOUT which is "unmarried", so let me see if I read correctly the article, the "celibacy rule can change", is it about changing it or making it NULL? we need more clearness in that title, and more truth..

St. Paul states that

"Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. . . those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. . . . The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband" (1 Cor 7:27-34).

St. Paul’s conclusion is that

"He who marries "does well; and he who refrains from marriage will do better" (1 Cor 7:38).

Now there's people who like to argue so some of them may cite Timothy's epistle (1 timothy 3:2) where he states that

"an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded ..."

or they cite from Mark 1:30 that Peter had a mother-in-law?

or even St. Paul in 1 Cor. 7:2 where Paul says that

"each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband"

and disregard the verses that follow in 1 Cor 7:6-7

People who even dare to go as far as citing biblical passages have fallen into protestant fundamentalism, or have fallen into following the rebel modernists and liberals. As marriage IS NOT CATHOLIC DOCTRINE. We can not imply nor cite personal preferences, nor biblical references, as the first one is something personal but not a doctrine nor a discipline stated by the teachings of the church, and the second one is rooted in the accounts of facts that many of the apostles were already married men when they were called by our Lord Jesus. Our Blessed Lord Jesus knew best that they had more control over their sexual drives, and our Lord is wise for choosing them.

So it will be of no use to cite what THE POPE SAID WHEN HE WAS A CARDINAL, as I'm sure that if he reflects and meditates on Paul's verses, and Catholic history he will come to the same conclusion regarding celibacy,and what Timothy stated at the beginning would be nice to use IF A PERSON IS A LUTHERAN OR AN EPISCOPALIAN CONVERT.

We can also see what our Lord Jesus says regarding divorce; and I include this because even when priests were married that was not enough to stop their promiscuity, and thus the church declared celibacy as a "must" so that the heart of the priest was not divided between God and the world, and between the world and the service due to God in the ministry of priesthood

1Cor 7:35

"I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord".

Priesthood is not a profession is a vocation, marriage is not a contract is a vocation, so what is it going to be? what vocation do you choose to sanctify yourself?

Priesthood is a Divine gift not a career, IT IS A DIVINE GIFT, and a priest renounces to marriage voluntarily (Matt. 19:12).

In a way this article is annoying, and decetful when we end up writing things the way protestant fundamentalists do regarding the tradition of the Catholic Church, its doctrine, discipline, rules and dogmas; or on the other hand we can end up as modernists or liberals, so what's next? Women priests?
Women can probably apply for that , and then you can all come receive holy communion from women, and listen to women "in persona Christi" consecrating the Host and the wine, after all it is the 21st century right?, let us dump all the tradition from the Chruch.

I could consider this article as being aimed to destroy centuries of tradition, teachings and rules, I have to say respectfully in the words of Cardinal Raymond Burke "where there are problems of chastity there are problems with obedience", the church has said and stated that "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine wellspring, come together in fashion to form one thing and move towards the same goal(no. 80)"

In conclusion:

IF YOU WANT TO BE MARRIED THEN MARRY, IF YO ARE A PRIEST AND WANTED TO BE MARRIED, LEAVE THE CHURCH AND MAKE A FAMILY THE PRIESTHOOD VOCATION WAS NEVER A CALL FOR YOU. With all respect and as simple as that.

But DO not come around putting articles that are aimed to change the church, its rules, its traditions
OUR LORD JESUS SAYS HIMSELF:

"If such is the case between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry" (Matt 19:10). This remark prompted Jesus’ teaching on the value of celibacy "for the sake of the kingdom": "Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom it is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it" (Matt. 19:11–12).

For more references we can state that:

The truth is, it is precisely those who are uniquely "concerned about the affairs of the Lord" (1 Cor. 7:32), those to whom it has been given to "renounce marriage for the sake of the kingdom" (Matt. 19:12), who are ideally suited to follow in the footsteps of those who have "left everything" to follow Christ (cf. Matt. 19:27)—the calling of the clergy and consecrated religious.

Thus Paul warned Timothy, a young bishop, that those called to be "soldiers" of Christ must avoid "civilian pursuits": "Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No soldier on service gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to satisfy the one who enlisted him" (2 Tim. 2:3–4). In light of Paul’s remarks in 1 Corinthians 7 about the advantages of celibacy, marriage and family clearly stand out in connection with these "civilian pursuits."

God Bless

Assuming that a priest would have to abstain from marital relations 24h before offering the sacrifice of the mass, either we would stop having daily mass, given the shortage of priests, or some think that it would catapult the number of priests.

I for one am skeptic that it would. The shortage of priests is not a crisis of vocations, but a crisis of faith.

I hate when the media does this...I like how they phrase this as if he said this during his papacy. This is pure media spin!

Priest need to stay celibate! You don't need to be married, or have experience with a woman, to know deeply the matters of the heart and spirit. You can know all about this with God's grace. Why is it that this world thinks you cannot find happiness unless you have sex? Not having sex never killed anybody. But having sex has. In fact, it's had severe repercussions in peoples lives since day one. There's alot of people out there who have sex, and are completely screwed up idiots. It's not a fix for anything. When will the world understand this?

1 Corinthians - Chapter 7:
32But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God.
33But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided…….
35 And this I speak for your profit: not to cast a snare upon you, but for that which is decent, and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord, without impediment.

I once read an Orthodox book in which the rules for a married priest/couple were described. When lived faithfully, the conjugal rules for an Eastern Rite priest are substantially more than for the general population, in deference to the sublime Divine Liturgy, of which sacramental marriage is but a pale reflection in the plan of God. Life-long self-discipline is paramount for such a priest and his wife.

Why do I have this feeling that this Pope is going to flip this church upside down?!

If he allows married priests there is going to be a lot of havic! The church needs stabilty right now not another vatican 2/3 mess.

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It's about time. GOD set up that way way back in the time of Moses. If GOD didn't want HIS leaders of the church to marry, HE wouldn't have picked just the LEVI TRIBE to be HIS priests. They would have died off if they weren't allowed to marry.

The church needs more priest with better family skills and experiences. How can a married couple get marriage help from a Catholic priest with no experience? How can Catholic priests lead by example is they don't have a family to create the example others need to follow. This change just might save the Catholic Church. I hope it's not to late.

While they're considering the change to allow priest to marry they need to do the same for nuns. That just might save the Catholic School Syetem.

Chuck Lentine
(AKA GOD'S Cowboy)