Zen, Schneider: Old Rite Catholics Will Fight The Old Mass will not go away because the Old Rite attracts young families and young people. It will not disappear despite Traditionis Custodes. That is …More
Zen, Schneider: Old Rite Catholics Will Fight
The Old Mass will not go away because the Old Rite attracts young families and young people. It will not disappear despite Traditionis Custodes. That is the core message of an online conference with Cardinal Zen and Bishop Schneider on 9 August. The event was organised by the church musician Aurelio Porfiri. Other participants were John Rao, Felipe Alanis, James Bogle and Robert Moynihan.
Roman Mass in China. Cardinal Zen described his childhood experiences. His father was a convert who wanted to become a priest, but the missionaries dissuaded him because he had just been confirmed. He should better marry and later send a son to the seminary, they said. The father followed the advice. However, his first five children were girls. Zen was the sixth child and the first boy. The father attended mass with him every day, on Sundays, they even went to five Masses in five different churches. For the son, this was a wonderful experience. It was there that his vocation was born. Today there is too much talk in the liturgy, Zen said. People are not rationalists who only respond to words. More important is a spiritual atmosphere, he said. Quote: "The Old Mass meant a surrender of the spirit, of the whole person." That's why Zen loves Gregorian chant. Zen can sing the Dies Irae of the Requiem Mass entirely by heart. He wishes it for his funeral. During the live conference, he gave a sample and sang some verses of it.
No restrictions. For Cardinal Zen, the Roman Mass is "very precious" and spiritually useful. He hopes that Traditionis Custodes will not be implemented as disastrously as its wording would allow. In Hong Kong, he said, there are no problems with Old Rite Catholics and the Old Mass has not been restricted.
Nothing changed. The English lawyer James Bogle assumes that most of the Old Masses will remain. In England, only one bishop has issued bans. Bogle finds it strange to call the Traditional Latin Mass “extraordinary” and the Novus Ordo Eucharist the “ordinary” form, because the Church has not two, but two dozen rites. One cannot call a two-thousand-year-old rite “extraordinary”, Bogle stressed. His most important statement was: The Roman Mass is the oldest rite of the Church, older than the Byzantine liturgies. It goes back in part to the Temple Prayer. In contrast, the New Mass of Paul VI is a newly invented rite. The Second Eucharistic Prayer was written in the restaurant between expensive wines.
The Novus Ordo rejects the Council. The American historian John Rao reported that in New York almost all or all seminarians want to celebrate the Old Mass. The number of faithful at the Old Mass has doubled since Covid. Rao explained that 2021 is different from 1969. Today's Catholics will not back down but fight. Through Francis, the authority of the papacy has been undermined and replaced by the private will of the regent, he said. For Rao this is rooted in nominalism. He calls this a fascist tendency, where the will of the dictator is presented as a prophetic voice and imposed by force. On Francis' claim that Old Rite Catholics reject Vatican II, Rao said that this is in fact the case in Novus Ordo parishes.
The Old Mass will not go away because the Old Rite attracts young families and young people. It will not disappear despite Traditionis Custodes. That is the core message of an online conference with Cardinal Zen and Bishop Schneider on 9 August. The event was organised by the church musician Aurelio Porfiri. Other participants were John Rao, Felipe Alanis, James Bogle and Robert Moynihan.
Roman Mass in China. Cardinal Zen described his childhood experiences. His father was a convert who wanted to become a priest, but the missionaries dissuaded him because he had just been confirmed. He should better marry and later send a son to the seminary, they said. The father followed the advice. However, his first five children were girls. Zen was the sixth child and the first boy. The father attended mass with him every day, on Sundays, they even went to five Masses in five different churches. For the son, this was a wonderful experience. It was there that his vocation was born. Today there is too much talk in the liturgy, Zen said. People are not rationalists who only respond to words. More important is a spiritual atmosphere, he said. Quote: "The Old Mass meant a surrender of the spirit, of the whole person." That's why Zen loves Gregorian chant. Zen can sing the Dies Irae of the Requiem Mass entirely by heart. He wishes it for his funeral. During the live conference, he gave a sample and sang some verses of it.
No restrictions. For Cardinal Zen, the Roman Mass is "very precious" and spiritually useful. He hopes that Traditionis Custodes will not be implemented as disastrously as its wording would allow. In Hong Kong, he said, there are no problems with Old Rite Catholics and the Old Mass has not been restricted.
Nothing changed. The English lawyer James Bogle assumes that most of the Old Masses will remain. In England, only one bishop has issued bans. Bogle finds it strange to call the Traditional Latin Mass “extraordinary” and the Novus Ordo Eucharist the “ordinary” form, because the Church has not two, but two dozen rites. One cannot call a two-thousand-year-old rite “extraordinary”, Bogle stressed. His most important statement was: The Roman Mass is the oldest rite of the Church, older than the Byzantine liturgies. It goes back in part to the Temple Prayer. In contrast, the New Mass of Paul VI is a newly invented rite. The Second Eucharistic Prayer was written in the restaurant between expensive wines.
The Novus Ordo rejects the Council. The American historian John Rao reported that in New York almost all or all seminarians want to celebrate the Old Mass. The number of faithful at the Old Mass has doubled since Covid. Rao explained that 2021 is different from 1969. Today's Catholics will not back down but fight. Through Francis, the authority of the papacy has been undermined and replaced by the private will of the regent, he said. For Rao this is rooted in nominalism. He calls this a fascist tendency, where the will of the dictator is presented as a prophetic voice and imposed by force. On Francis' claim that Old Rite Catholics reject Vatican II, Rao said that this is in fact the case in Novus Ordo parishes.
