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tbswv
Our Lord was a Hebrew. The term Jew does not necessarily identify those of Semetic peoples since most of them came over from eastern Europe to found the state of Israel.
F M Shyanguya
@tbswv He was a Jew in his day but cannot be identified with the Jew in our day for several reasons, one which you have given.
Ultraviolet
The word "Jew" can apply to both a follower of a specific religion and someone of a specific ethnicity. ;-) There are Jews who are Kenyan and Jews who are full-blood Chinese. There are also Christians who are ethnically Jews.

---and it's "Semitic", btw. Just so you know.
Lalanz
Jesus was a Jew
eticacasanova
Yeah, of course, in a few senses, He was; in others, He wasn't. The same as the apostles, the Virgin Mary, etc. So, there can't be any Christian "antisemitism", for this reason and because we are no materialists and don't explain reality or behavior based on race. We are of the Spirit. We aren't jews, being Christians, and here is the hint as to the sense in which Jesus was not a Jew, I mean, a …More
Yeah, of course, in a few senses, He was; in others, He wasn't. The same as the apostles, the Virgin Mary, etc. So, there can't be any Christian "antisemitism", for this reason and because we are no materialists and don't explain reality or behavior based on race. We are of the Spirit. We aren't jews, being Christians, and here is the hint as to the sense in which Jesus was not a Jew, I mean, a member of the people that, having had the Promise, didn't embrace the fulfillment of the Promise.... And we have to pray for them, so they do embrace our Lord, fullness of Truth and Salvation
Lalanz
Well said
I want to die for Jesus!!!!
May they cut my head off and roll it down the street...
Please Lord grant me the grace to die for you....
F M Shyanguya
@eticacasanova @Lalanz The charge of antisemitism is pure evil especially when directed at Christians. The victimizers, the ones of whom Jesus said they claimed to be Jews but were not, belonging to the Synagogue of Satan, these victimizers with this charge slap - do worse actually - Christians, tell us to turn the other cheek because we are Christians and slap it in turn, then turn around and …More
@eticacasanova @Lalanz The charge of antisemitism is pure evil especially when directed at Christians. The victimizers, the ones of whom Jesus said they claimed to be Jews but were not, belonging to the Synagogue of Satan, these victimizers with this charge slap - do worse actually - Christians, tell us to turn the other cheek because we are Christians and slap it in turn, then turn around and accuse our cheeks of hurting their hands.
Ultraviolet
"Yeah, of course, in a few senses, He was; "in others, He wasn't."

A "few"? The word implies a majority in which Jesus wasn't Jewish.

List them.

In WHAT ways wasn't Jesus Jewish? You made the claim and, as usual, you didn't supply any evidence supporting it.

"but to a comment down here that says that Jesus is of a certain ethnic group."

Are you claiming Jesus isn't of a certain ethnic …More
"Yeah, of course, in a few senses, He was; "in others, He wasn't."

A "few"? The word implies a majority in which Jesus wasn't Jewish.

List them.

In WHAT ways wasn't Jesus Jewish? You made the claim and, as usual, you didn't supply any evidence supporting it.

"but to a comment down here that says that Jesus is of a certain ethnic group."

Are you claiming Jesus isn't of a certain ethnic group, specifically the Jewish ethnic group?

If so, state which ethnic group you believe Jesus belongs to and show proof for your claim.

This a consistent problem of yours. Your implications have no support and neither do your claims.

I blame your profession. You fancy yourself a "profesor", an educator, and perhaps you are. If so, you're a classic BAD "profesor". You are opinionated and vindictive. Students in classes taught by "profesors" like you learn only two things.

They learn how to 1.) stroke your ego and 2.) never ask any questions that contradict 1.)

They do not want you giving them a bad grade when they force you to support your stupid, asinine claims with facts because you, profesor, do not have any to give.

If they want a good grade, all they have to do is smear their exam papers with whatever manure you spread all over the chalk-board. It does not matter if you are right or wrong. All that matters is you are happy sitting in a pile of the same dung you presented as "education".

But this leads you, the "profesor" into a very bad habit of believing everything you say is fact BECAUSE you, "el gran profesor" said it.

This is not so. The only people you can punish for making you look stupid are your students. The rest of the world is not frightened of your grade-book.

So you need to start showing facts for your claims. When I say Jesus was a Jew, ethnically, I can back it up. Like so:

In Judaism, Jewish ethnicity is matrilineal. Jesus' mother, the Blessed Mother, was a Jewess. Nothing in the patrilineage listed in Matthew or Luke contradicts that point.

Therefore, Jesus was a Jew, ethnically, according to traditional Jewish Law.

That is irrefutable. Even under the more relaxed standards of "Reform" Judaism which allow "Jewish" ethnicity, from either parent, Jesus would still be Jewish -via Mary.

When I say Jesus was raised as a Jew, in the Jewish faith, I can back that up as well. I already have.

As I already showed in my last comment, as an infant, Jesus was circumcised and presented in the Temple in accordance to Jewish law. This shows Jesus was raised as a Jew. The event is memorialized as the Fourth Joyful Mystery of the Rosary.

Luke's Gospel states Jesus' "parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover." (Luke 2: 41) So Jesus' parents were devout Jews and it stands to reason devout Jews would raise their Son accordingly.

Further, the next passage in Luke shows they did. "And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast." (Luke 2: 42)

The remainder of the "finding of Jesus at the Temple (the Jewish Temple) describes, of course, how Jesus had already mastered Judaism so thoroughly, "all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers."

This event is the Fifth Joyful Mystery of the Rosary, which is as Catholic as it gets. :D

So the young Jesus was born a Jew ethnically, from a Jewish mother. He was raised a Jew religiously, and was already capable of astonishing adult Jewish scholars with His understanding of Judaism at the age of twelve.

So on every point in Jesus' life thus far, Jesus was a Jew.

He was born a Jew. He was raised a Jew, He understood the Jewish faith and could impress (astonish) the best Jewish scholars of His time with His knowledge of Judaism.

That leaves only one part of Jesus' life: his adult ministry and you're still out of luck..

Jesus Himself contradicts you in Matthew 5:17. "Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

The law and the prophets of course, being Jewish law and Jewish prophets.

In a word, you need to supply an enormous number of examples to show that only " in a few senses, He was; "in others, He wasn't"

Jesus was a Jew in more than just "a few senses" Jesus was a Jew in nearly every sense that mattered at the time and His own words show he is the fulfillment of Judaism.

You don't know what you're talking about, enemacasanova.

Your understanding of your Catholic faith is as empty as your understanding of your own Latin Ameircan history. ;-)

"The charge of antisemitism is pure evil especially when directed at Christians."

That simply isn't true, F M Shanky-Wanky A charge of "antisemitism" is like any other charge or accusation. It is either true or it is false, nothing more.

It seems you define "good" vs. "evil" not in terms of "truth" vs. "falsehood". Rather... whether something is embarrassing.

That's morally-bankrupt way of looking at the world. Given your background, I'm not in least bit surprised.

If a Christian today truly is anti-Semitic and someone accuses that Chrisitan of "antisemitism", then the charge isn't "evil", it's the truth.

Now the truth of that charge might expose the Christian to well-deserved embarrassment and contempt, but that's what the truth does sometimes. ;-)

The truth isn't like, say, a point of law a clever attorney can twist in his client's favor in an appeal. ;-)

So, no, charge isn't "epecially" anything when it is made against a Christian. It either applies or it does not.

The same is true for any accusation.

For example, criminal charges made against a Christian aren't "pure evil" if there is evidence supporting those charges. That's the basis of any charge .made in law. If a man beats his wife, the bruises on her neck support the accusation of domestic violence/ spousal abuse/ etc.

The truth is he assaulted his wife. That remains true regardless of how the law addresses the truth.

This isn't an entirely hypothetical example, is it? ;-)

"the ones of whom Jesus said they claimed to be Jews but were not, belonging to the Synagogue of Satan,"

Somebody's re-wording Scripture for his own purposes and shoving his invention into Jesus' mouth.
eticacasanova
@Lalanz @F M Shyanguya I dedicate this to the pharisee of this website, who says Christ was a Jew, because he chose to be born of a race. He doesn't mind that Christ is a priest, not a levita, but "eternal, according to the order of Mechizedec". He insists that Christ is a jew, because He is descendant of Judah, but he doesn't know but carnal stuff. Read, my friends, Matthew 22, He was not …More
@Lalanz @F M Shyanguya I dedicate this to the pharisee of this website, who says Christ was a Jew, because he chose to be born of a race. He doesn't mind that Christ is a priest, not a levita, but "eternal, according to the order of Mechizedec". He insists that Christ is a jew, because He is descendant of Judah, but he doesn't know but carnal stuff. Read, my friends, Matthew 22, He was not carnal descendant (though, in a sense, He was):

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While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus questioned them,
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saying, "What is your opinion about the Messiah? Whose son is he?" They replied, "David's."
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He said to them, "How, then, does David, inspired by the Spirit, call him 'lord,' saying:
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'The Lord said to my lord, "Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies under your feet"'?
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If David calls him 'lord,' how can he be his son?"
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No one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare to ask him any more questions.
Lalanz
Jesus is lord overall
Ultraviolet
"who says Christ was a Jew, because he chose to be born of a race."

Worth noting enemacasanova forgot to capitalize He when referring to Christ. You're off to a great start.

Jesus is the fulfilment of the Old Testament prophecy which stated, in no uncertain terms, the Messiah would be a descendent of David, a Jew.

You don't like God's choice? Too bad.

"He doesn't mind that Christ is a …More
"who says Christ was a Jew, because he chose to be born of a race."

Worth noting enemacasanova forgot to capitalize He when referring to Christ. You're off to a great start.

Jesus is the fulfilment of the Old Testament prophecy which stated, in no uncertain terms, the Messiah would be a descendent of David, a Jew.

You don't like God's choice? Too bad.

"He doesn't mind that Christ is a priest, not a levita, but "eternal, according to the order of Mechizedec"."

Since I didn't make any such a quote, the phrase "he doesn't mind that Christ... etc. etc." is just rubbish.

"He insists that Christ is a jew, because He is descendant of Judah,"

Quote me. Quote me directly, either here or elsewhere. Link the post where I made that claim. You can't, you won't because you're making it up, like usual.

"Read, my friends, Matthew 22, He was not carnal descendant..."

Idiot. You directly contradict basic Catholic doctrine.

"He was born of the Virgin Mary" means what? hmmmm? Jesus had a real, physical birth. Jesus did not appear out of thin air.

I noticed you didn't link Matthew 22 up. You're spoon-feeding your readers a conclusion about the Gospel chapter without showing any support FOR that conclusion.

This is how bad "teachers" lie to their students. Matt 22 covers the Parable of the Wedding Banquet.

The Parable is traditionally interpreted to mean all are welcome to the Banquet, not just Jews.

However, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with proving Jesus was or wasn't a Jew Himself.

Jesus asked in Matthew 22: 43 "What is your opinion about the Messiah? Whose son is he?" They replied, "David's."

Right there, they make an elementary mistake. The Messiah is the Son of God.

But He is also Mary's Son. There's what enemacasanova chooses to ignore and desperately wants everyone to overlook.

Jesus had two parents, not one.

The Pharisees focused exclusively on the Messiah's temporal orgin. Even then, they were speaking metaphorically since David had been dead for thousands of years by then. By contrast, Enemacasanova ignores it that temporal origin entirely.

They're mirror images of the same error, interestingly enough.

You ignore Jesus' temporal origin, "Born of the Virgin Mary" because Mary was a Jew.

Jew-hating fake-Catholics like our "profesor-mierda" never want to talk about that. Christianity traps people like you in a paradox.

You can't reconcile hating Jews with loving the Son of God who was a born of a Jew and raised as a Jew.

You are compelled to deny and obfuscate Jesus' racial and religious background... somehow, any way you can..

The bigot-bible-reading is a clasic tactic. Ah, bebe pobre, I bring some bad news!

You are directly contradicted by official Catholic interpretation of Matthew 22: 41-46

Direct quote from the USCCB:

--"Since Matthew presents Jesus both as Messiah (Mt 16:16) and as Son of David (Mt 1:1; see also note on Mt 9:27), the question is not meant to imply Jesus’ denial of Davidic sonship."--

...and when the Catholic Church writes Davidic, (wait for it) David was a Jew.

For anyone who's curious, enemacasanova is making a simple logical fallacy by misreading Matthew 22: 41-46. He is positing a "fallacy of the false dilemma" (Jesus must be either a Jewish human -OR- Divine)

In truth, Jesus is both. Replace -OR- with -AND-

This was the whole point of Jesus assuming earthly form.

"the people of the PROMISE, which ceased to be when the promise was fulfilled BY HIM."

You forgot that pillar of the Catholic Church, Saint Paul was still very much a Jew after Jesus had already risen from the dead and ascended into Heaven. Christ had fulfilled the PROMISE and Paul was still a Jew.

Paul proves your claim is false.

"Since then, there is another chosen people, the Church, and those who refuse to accepting Him as Messiah, are enemies of Christ, as is obvious by definition and, of course, history, just take a look at the talmud."

Paul lived and died without ever seeing, reading or holding a Talmud because it hadn't been compiled yet. Idiot.

Paul was a Jew who converted to Christianity. Proving Jews existed before Christ fulfilled the PROMISE as you call it, they existed while Christ was fulfilling it, and they existed after He fulfilled it. Millions of Jews lived and died before the Talmud was compiled.

"So, when you try to smugle the concept here, you are showing something other than being a Christian...."

The only concept getting smuggled here is garden-variety Catholic-themed anti-Semitism. Plain old-fashioned Jew-hating by Catholics who should know better..

It's also contrary to everything Christ taught about love and forgiveness.

"And don't try to answer, you only harm yourself;"

Remarks like that are why I take such delight in showing you up as the jumped-up Chilean peasant you are. Then you make it personal and then, well , it is personal.

You can have a wall of diplomas from every banana-republic in Latin America, Senor Profesor..

They mean nothing because you can't hold your own in this kind of debate. You should use all that fancy paper to wipe the donkey-dung off your shoes.

As I mentioned, misreading Matthew 21: 41-48 is a standard tool used by "Christian" anti-Semites trying to show Jesus wasn't "really" Jewish.

The conflation between Judaism and the Talmud is the other popular trick. Not all Jews follow the Talmud, even today.

Again, you are an idiot or a liar or both. You are using standard, easily-identified anti-Semitic lines of argument and tactics. You've just exposed yourself as Jew-hater, Enemacasanova

Not a "maybe" or a "perhaps" You have indicted yourself.

That's about the only thing you have accomplished. Aside from making a fool of yourself again. Nice work. ;-)
eticacasanova
One can't tell if this insistence in materialist principles is ignorance or deception, I hope it's only ignorance. I wouldn't mind, but you are insulting God. Christ took our flesh from the Elected people, that is, the people of the PROMISE, which ceased to be when the promise was fulfilled BY HIM. Since then, there is another chosen people, the Church, and those who refuse to accepting Him as …More
One can't tell if this insistence in materialist principles is ignorance or deception, I hope it's only ignorance. I wouldn't mind, but you are insulting God. Christ took our flesh from the Elected people, that is, the people of the PROMISE, which ceased to be when the promise was fulfilled BY HIM. Since then, there is another chosen people, the Church, and those who refuse to accepting Him as Messiah, are enemies of Christ, as is obvious by definition and, of course, history, just take a look at the talmud (which doesn't mean that we hate them, but, as CHRISTIANS, we pitty and pray for them: it's a religious thing, not a political or, in any way, human thing).... From Christ on, the true religion has nothing to do with carnal relations, but with the Spirit (see the Gospel of John, cc. 3, 4 and 8, at least). So, these good people converted, God bless them; some are saints, great, they are a joy for all of us, but, when they converted, they accepted the Spirit as principle, not the flesh. So, when you try to smugle the concept here, you are showing something other than being a Christian.... And don't try to answer, you only harm yourself; accept humbly the truth, so you get to be a Christian, at least in the full sense
F M Shyanguya
@eticacasanova It appears you have commented without reading what my article links to.

Then you make a comment and shutdown the conversation under MY own article!

Smuggle?! Your appears to be nothing but a visceral reaction.

You also appear to group all Jews as one. Look at my very recent comments here on GTV on the matter. I have commented on Judaism of the Holy Family, Talmudic Judaism, …More
@eticacasanova It appears you have commented without reading what my article links to.

Then you make a comment and shutdown the conversation under MY own article!

Smuggle?! Your appears to be nothing but a visceral reaction.

You also appear to group all Jews as one. Look at my very recent comments here on GTV on the matter. I have commented on Judaism of the Holy Family, Talmudic Judaism, the imposter State of Israel, and Zionism, and also ethnicity among today’s Jews.

And just being a member doesn’t guarantee salvation. Think of the Jews who rejected Our LORD. Similarly a Christian is as Christian does.

Finally the statement “Salvation is from the Jews” is from the LORD himself.
eticacasanova
@F M Shyanguya No, my post didn't refer to your post, but to a comment down here that says that Jesus is of a certain ethnic group. The only time I refer to your post is when I say that these people are blessed, because they converted and took a principle that has nothing to do with Etnia, but Spirit. Your post is very good and doesn't smuggle anything, I love it and am very glad for all of …More
@F M Shyanguya No, my post didn't refer to your post, but to a comment down here that says that Jesus is of a certain ethnic group. The only time I refer to your post is when I say that these people are blessed, because they converted and took a principle that has nothing to do with Etnia, but Spirit. Your post is very good and doesn't smuggle anything, I love it and am very glad for all of these people, of course....
eticacasanova
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding
F M Shyanguya
@eticacasanova Thank you so very much! How we easily misunderstand because I have done so and I should have known better after interacting with you in other comments.

My turn to apologize. I am very sorry. Shows that person and the spirit who caused all this. Theirs is a spirit of discord and division. May they be scattered! So please God!
eticacasanova
You are a friend
F M Shyanguya
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Scapular
Dear Shyangua Praise be Jesus for the conversion of Jews to Catholicism.
Ultraviolet
Then there's the Jew who started the Catholic Church. :-) He was circumcised and presented in full accordance with Jewish law. Ethnically Jewish, too, through His mother's side