Two more Catholic parishes say no to Ref. 74 signature drive
Two more Catholic parishes say no to Ref. 74 signature drive A growing number of Seattle’s Catholic parishes are saying “no” to Archbishop J. Peter Sartain’s offer that churches become signature …More
Two more Catholic parishes say no to Ref. 74 signature drive
A growing number of Seattle’s Catholic parishes are saying “no” to Archbishop J. Peter Sartain’s offer that churches become signature gathering points for Referendum 74, the ballot measure to roll back Washington’s recently passed same-sex marriage law.
St. Mary’s Parish in the Central Area, and the new, growing Christ Our Hope parish in downtown Seattle, are the latest to decide petitions won’t be circulated on their premises.
The decision at St. Mary’s was announced by pastoral life coordinator Tricia Wittman-Todd in a “Dear People of St. Mary’s” letter. She wrote.
“After much prayer and reflection, I have decided we will not collect signatures at the parish. I am certain you will find ample opportunity elsewhere to sign whatever petitions you choose.
“This decision is based on two primary considerations. St. Mary’s mission is ‘House of God, Home for Everyone.’
One of our highest values is inclusion and welcome.
I fear that …More
A growing number of Seattle’s Catholic parishes are saying “no” to Archbishop J. Peter Sartain’s offer that churches become signature gathering points for Referendum 74, the ballot measure to roll back Washington’s recently passed same-sex marriage law.
St. Mary’s Parish in the Central Area, and the new, growing Christ Our Hope parish in downtown Seattle, are the latest to decide petitions won’t be circulated on their premises.
The decision at St. Mary’s was announced by pastoral life coordinator Tricia Wittman-Todd in a “Dear People of St. Mary’s” letter. She wrote.
“After much prayer and reflection, I have decided we will not collect signatures at the parish. I am certain you will find ample opportunity elsewhere to sign whatever petitions you choose.
“This decision is based on two primary considerations. St. Mary’s mission is ‘House of God, Home for Everyone.’
One of our highest values is inclusion and welcome.
I fear that …More
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Comments from Rorate Caeli:
The problem lies with the Archbishop's 'offer'. By 'offering' this, he wa inviting dissent. He should simply re-issue the offer as a command. Those who do not obey this command would then be summarily removed from their positions. Immediately. Sooner, if possible. This is one case in which we can celebrate the fact that our parishes are not like Anglican parishes. Ours …More
Comments from Rorate Caeli:
The problem lies with the Archbishop's 'offer'. By 'offering' this, he wa inviting dissent. He should simply re-issue the offer as a command. Those who do not obey this command would then be summarily removed from their positions. Immediately. Sooner, if possible. This is one case in which we can celebrate the fact that our parishes are not like Anglican parishes. Ours are direct subject to the Bishop's whim.
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Firstly, the pastoral life coordinator made the decision? Was the pastor of St. Mary's involved?
Secondly, the two considerations offered, "One of our highest values is inclusion and welcome" and "each of us is asked to form our conscience" are concerning to me.
Isn't the highest value God's law? Making decisions based on conscience is fine, but isn't overturning a law that goes against nature a Catholic duty?
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"I am particularly concerned about our youth who may be questioning their own sexual identity and need our support at this time in their lives."
If this concern is genuine it ought to be concern for forming the young people in the ways of Christ and His Church, which would necessitate running the petition for the good of their souls and not their emotional or psychological leanings.
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If these were Trads telling the bishop to pound sand they'd be excommunicated by now. It's funny how the bishops can turn into courageous crusaders when they want to.
If the Abp. truly believes in the Church's perennial teaching on marriage he'll command every parish to open its doors to this cause. If he doesn't believe the teaching and is just doing this for show, he'll do nothing.
Actions speak louder than words.
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This situation is so wrong on so many levels. Shows the Conciliar insanity. First the pastor of a parish is letting a lay woman make this decision. Second, the rector of the Archbishop's own Cathedral thinks so little of him that he can disregard his words with impunity with no fear of reprisal. Thirdly, that an Archbishop of the Catholic Church "asks" his subordinates to please act Catholic. Fourth, that these public heretics are not only in the diocese, but apparently running parishes and rectoring Cathedrals in the first place. Fifth, that there is even a lay head of "pastoral activities" at all, much less a woman.
The list goes on and on. We need to start over. Burn down the conciliar mess to the ground and start again.
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...we are witnessing the emergence of a liberal Catholic Church that will not be in communion with Rome. A smaller but more faithful, orthodox, Catholic Church will remain. We are seeing it in Austria, and Ireland and now here. It has been here, of course, but now it is becoming more overt and more combative and more defiant. The lines are being drawn in the sand, particularly over the issue of homosexuality.
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Same shtick as Cardinal Schonborn, approving by not disapproving. But in this case, it seems quite intentional. Anyone reading her words can tell she does not believe homosexual activity is a sin. Also, whenever I read, "after much prayer," I think, really? I know in my case, the words roll of the tongue far more quickly than the prayers have ever rolled out from my spirit.
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I checked out the web site of this parish and one of their Lenten observances was the Stations of the Cross through yoga. Says it all doesn't it?
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New Catholic said...
This is just hilarious. Fine, it is sad, but its absurdity is quite amusing. This just goes to show that the crisis of disobedience of the immediate post-conciliar years is still fully with us.
Naturally, the fact that many bishops themselves (such as the Cardinal Archbishop of Vienna) are paragons of disobedience and doublespeak does no help to the general state of the hierarchical order.
The problem lies with the Archbishop's 'offer'. By 'offering' this, he wa inviting dissent. He should simply re-issue the offer as a command. Those who do not obey this command would then be summarily removed from their positions. Immediately. Sooner, if possible. This is one case in which we can celebrate the fact that our parishes are not like Anglican parishes. Ours are direct subject to the Bishop's whim.
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Firstly, the pastoral life coordinator made the decision? Was the pastor of St. Mary's involved?
Secondly, the two considerations offered, "One of our highest values is inclusion and welcome" and "each of us is asked to form our conscience" are concerning to me.
Isn't the highest value God's law? Making decisions based on conscience is fine, but isn't overturning a law that goes against nature a Catholic duty?
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"I am particularly concerned about our youth who may be questioning their own sexual identity and need our support at this time in their lives."
If this concern is genuine it ought to be concern for forming the young people in the ways of Christ and His Church, which would necessitate running the petition for the good of their souls and not their emotional or psychological leanings.
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If these were Trads telling the bishop to pound sand they'd be excommunicated by now. It's funny how the bishops can turn into courageous crusaders when they want to.
If the Abp. truly believes in the Church's perennial teaching on marriage he'll command every parish to open its doors to this cause. If he doesn't believe the teaching and is just doing this for show, he'll do nothing.
Actions speak louder than words.
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This situation is so wrong on so many levels. Shows the Conciliar insanity. First the pastor of a parish is letting a lay woman make this decision. Second, the rector of the Archbishop's own Cathedral thinks so little of him that he can disregard his words with impunity with no fear of reprisal. Thirdly, that an Archbishop of the Catholic Church "asks" his subordinates to please act Catholic. Fourth, that these public heretics are not only in the diocese, but apparently running parishes and rectoring Cathedrals in the first place. Fifth, that there is even a lay head of "pastoral activities" at all, much less a woman.
The list goes on and on. We need to start over. Burn down the conciliar mess to the ground and start again.
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...we are witnessing the emergence of a liberal Catholic Church that will not be in communion with Rome. A smaller but more faithful, orthodox, Catholic Church will remain. We are seeing it in Austria, and Ireland and now here. It has been here, of course, but now it is becoming more overt and more combative and more defiant. The lines are being drawn in the sand, particularly over the issue of homosexuality.
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Same shtick as Cardinal Schonborn, approving by not disapproving. But in this case, it seems quite intentional. Anyone reading her words can tell she does not believe homosexual activity is a sin. Also, whenever I read, "after much prayer," I think, really? I know in my case, the words roll of the tongue far more quickly than the prayers have ever rolled out from my spirit.
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I checked out the web site of this parish and one of their Lenten observances was the Stations of the Cross through yoga. Says it all doesn't it?
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New Catholic said...
This is just hilarious. Fine, it is sad, but its absurdity is quite amusing. This just goes to show that the crisis of disobedience of the immediate post-conciliar years is still fully with us.
Naturally, the fact that many bishops themselves (such as the Cardinal Archbishop of Vienna) are paragons of disobedience and doublespeak does no help to the general state of the hierarchical order.
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Comments from FR:
They finally have a bishop worth a durn and now he's dealing with rebellion. He needs to change his request into an order (under the vow of obedience). Any of his pastors refuse then...retire their a$$es.
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Comments from FR:
They finally have a bishop worth a durn and now he's dealing with rebellion. He needs to change his request into an order (under the vow of obedience). Any of his pastors refuse then...retire their a$$es.
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The decision at St. Mary’s was announced by pastoral life coordinator Tricia Wittman-Todd in a “Dear People of St. Mary’s” letter. She wrote.
“After much prayer and reflection, I have decided we will not collect signatures at the parish. I am certain you will find ample opportunity elsewhere to sign whatever petitions you choose.
Excuse me?
It is the PASTOR'S place to make these kinds of decisions. If he's delegated that to this woman, he's derelict in his Pastoral duties.
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“After much prayer”
And your definition of prayer is what?
Evidently not something which involves God.
or are you saying that God has changed his mind and now regrets he was so intolerant with Sodom and Gomorrah?
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I hope Catholics are paying attention and withhold their donations or something
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Didn’t they take vows of obedience to their Bishop and to the Holy See?
A vow means nothing to those who have no honor.
They finally have a bishop worth a durn and now he's dealing with rebellion. He needs to change his request into an order (under the vow of obedience). Any of his pastors refuse then...retire their a$$es.
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The decision at St. Mary’s was announced by pastoral life coordinator Tricia Wittman-Todd in a “Dear People of St. Mary’s” letter. She wrote.
“After much prayer and reflection, I have decided we will not collect signatures at the parish. I am certain you will find ample opportunity elsewhere to sign whatever petitions you choose.
Excuse me?
It is the PASTOR'S place to make these kinds of decisions. If he's delegated that to this woman, he's derelict in his Pastoral duties.
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“After much prayer”
And your definition of prayer is what?
Evidently not something which involves God.
or are you saying that God has changed his mind and now regrets he was so intolerant with Sodom and Gomorrah?
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I hope Catholics are paying attention and withhold their donations or something
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Didn’t they take vows of obedience to their Bishop and to the Holy See?
A vow means nothing to those who have no honor.