A prayer made in bad faith means nothing, Matty.

Even now, you're still slipping in another deceit about "honesty". I've been entirely honest with you. That's why I can beat you so effectively. I'm working from a position of strength. You, by contrast, have not. Bringing us to this:

"Do you enjoying lying to yourself?"

That's a question you should seriously ask yourself. Really.

You've gone from debating with me to trying to "sway the audience" the way that ranting nutcase Thor does. If you privately recognize your argument failed on the facts, trying to con people won't make it true. That reminds me, Thor's like you, now. :P He "doesn't want to be contacted." Achievement Unlocked! Sore-Loser Ostrich!

...and just like you, he replies every time.

If you're going to pick a debating role-model at least pick a good one. Me, for example. I'm awesome! :-)

Okay, if you won't learn from my debating style then follow St Cuthbert Mayne . He pushes Thor around just as easily and with considerable literary flair. Understandble since he's English. So why copy-cat another loser and his loser-technique?

Nice back-edit on your post, btw. And you're still wrong.

An ad hominem fallacy applies only if a personal attack is tendered in lieu of a valid rebuttal. I wouldn't dream of missing a chance to beat you intellectually or factually.

You really must look these things up, you poor dear. ;-)

"Only a wicked faggot would refuse to answer this basic question."

Two mistakes here, Matty. You tried "improving" your reply and only made it worse! Poetic justice.

First, "only a wicked faggot would" is a No True Scottsman fallacy. There are many people who would refuse "this basic question". You would refuse, for example, if "a Jew" demanded any information of you, especially if he did so insultingly... say... "Only stupid goyim would refuse to answer this basic question because I am one of God's Chosen People."

Whoo-boy. You'd refuse, all right... wouldn't you, Tex? With none of the panache I display.

Second, Argumentum Ad Nauseam (arguing from repetition) since you've pulled this "basic question" nonsense before. Unintentional irony since you're complaining "Must be on spin cycle now."

Yeah, obviously you must be. Even your attempts at wit fail :P

I've already explained why I refuse to answer "this basic question". Simply put, you are rude, obnoxious and you presume an authority that is not yours. You demand nothing.

Putting it bluntly, I wouldn't give you the time of day when you angrily demand it the way you've been doing.

Where did all the anger comes from, Matty? You feel like you got cheated out of a shot at college? Is that it?

Well, the hard and ugly truth is... you didn't. You just weren't good enough. That isn't me gloating. I've met "political" guys like you before... ones with your kind of anger. One day you wake up and realize you're far behind. Then you blame everyone else who made it.

The black kids got athletic scholarships because they were good at playing sports, the Jewish kids got academic scholarships because they were good at studying.

And you got neither scholarship because you spent high school working on your truck and cheering some bull rider.

This is the pay-off and you have nobody to blame but yourself. It's too late to play catch-up.

Ain't happening. ;-)

"Where did Christ say that those who reject him (ie jews) can go to heaven? "

I never made that claim. If so, then quote me. ;-) If you can't quote Jesus, ...and you obviously can't, then at least quote me.All my words are in full view of all, Nothing hidden.

Direct quote from me, word for word, in bold.

Nothing left out, nothing added in, quotation marks front and back. You say I said it, so why can't you quote me directly? . :D

You wouldn't know a "red herring" if one swam up and bit your argument on the backside. Interestingly, this is a red-herring from you! :P Don't describe informal fallacies you don't understand, dummy. You never went to college, did you? ;-)

I mean, I was debating competitively back in high school but logic does get covered at some point in the "average-level" college curriculum.

"You nailed your coffin shut" is your way of saying you won't support any of your claims with quotes. Not about what Jesus said, not about what I said. That's what "Ain't happening".

Stick to line-dancing, pardnah. Real debating is beyond you.

@Ultraviolet Oh look at that, more red herrings and ad hominem fallacies. Must be on spin cycle now. You've nailed your coffin shut and you're trying to worm your way out like the lying deceptive serpent you are. Ain't happening. Where did Christ say that those who reject him (ie jews) can go to heaven? Also, what gender are you? Only a wicked faggot would refuse to answer this basic question. Do you enjoying lying to yourself just like the Christ hating jews do?

"you say Christ did not condem the jews."

He didn't. Neither as a race nor as a religion.

A rejection based on disbelief is universal, regardless of race or religion. It may apply to "the Jews" but also applies to the Buddhists and the Muslims and the Hindus.

But those religious groups aren't part of your anti-Semitic obsession, are they Matty? ;-)

You made a different claim, however. "Christ and the apostles were very clear about their condemnation of the jews.".

I've been asking you to quote Jesus where He did so for two days now.

Gospel Book, Chapter: Verses-Hyphenated In Bold.

Show where Christ condemned the jews, Show where He condemned "Jews" as a race or as a religion.

You haven't, you can't, and you won't because Jesus isn't a stupid bigot obsessed with Jews, like you. All you're doing is repeating the same argument from last night.

Maybe you already forgot. I suggest regular supplements of Ginko Biloba to mitigate the symptoms of your Alzheimer's. :D

A regular glass of prune juice should alleviate the root cause of your anger against Jews and the world in general. :P

"The jews said his blood be on their children."

Naturally derpy anti-Semites just LOVE taking that at face value. Again, you display your ignorance.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_curse

Of particular note: Refutation from Pope Benedict XVI

"When in Matthew's account the "whole people" say: "His blood be upon us and on our children" (27:25), the Christian will remember that Jesus' blood speaks a different language from the blood of Abel (Heb 12:24): it does not cry out for vengeance and punishment; it brings reconciliation. It is not poured out against anyone; it is poured out for many, for all."

Simply put, guilt does not work like that. Even if a person chooses to take a very Old Testamen view of sin via Exodus 34:7, the "third and fourth generations" of those Jews are at least a millinium past.

Conversely, the Jews also say they're God's Chosen People.

Why aren't you quoting "the jews" on that claim, are you Matty? Funny thing. Like usual, you pick and choose your "jews".

Either way, you don't know what you're talking about as usual.

Keep them shooting blanks, Tex. :P

"supporting your claim that Jesus did not condemn those who reject him."

I did not make that claim. @mattsixteen24 This is your new gimmick, isn't it? An outright lie.

No? Then quote me. ;-) If you can't quote Jesus, ...and you obviously can't, then at least quote me.All my words are in full view of all, Nothing hidden.

Direct quote from me, word for word, in bold. Nothing left out, nothing added in, quotation marks front and backPut up or shut up, Matty. :D

You made the claim and you can't back it up. You're a liar. You always have been a liar and you're lying now.

All the rest of your garbage about my gender is the same-old, same-old.

"Why are you so afraid to admit what gender you are?"

Faulty conclusion. When I refuse to indulge the demands made by a rude obnoxious redneck, it has nothing to do with fear. It has everything to do with contempt.

I wouldn't give you the time of day if you demanded it. You have no agency much less any right, to demand anything. You're a nothing.

"Why do you hide basic information like this?"

Hiding implies concealment. I've never hidden any "basic information". I just refuse to supply it to a rude Texan when he demands it. Further, when I don't particularly like someone, I'm not inclined to give them anything.

Imagine a Jew asking you for anything. Better still, imagine a "pushy" Jew demanding you give him information. Are you going to dance when he snaps his fingers? No? Fancy that.

You see?. It's really quite simple.

@Ultraviolet and I ask for Gospel Book, Chapter: Verses-Hyphenated In Bold supporting your claim that Jesus did not condemn those who reject him. I also ask what gender you are. Why are you so afraid to admit what gender you are? Why do you hide basic information like this? Do you want to be a pervert your whole life and then go to hell? Gloria.tv should make a new requirement that you must enter in your gender when signing up for this website so we don't have these weird gender neutral people who defend the antichrist mafia.

What I asked for: Gospel Book, Chapter: Verses-Hyphenated In Bold.

Supporting your claim: "Christ and the apostles were very clear about their condemnation of the jews."

What I got: You asking me to support a claim I never made. Why? Because YOU can't support YOUR claim about Christ using the Gospels..

You asking me what gender I am. Why? Because you have a dirty mind like so many anti-Semites do.In your case, it's part of a larger illness, but it has well-defined symptoms.

I even predicted this point by point: "You're going to hem and haw, call me names, ask what's going on in my pants," "What you won't do is stand by what you said -like a man."

...and here we are, just as expected. Everything's bigger in Texas, including the stupidity and the lies.

You blew it, mattsixteen24 Just like you always do.

"If you reject Christ, he rejects you."

A personal rejection is not based on race or religion. You claimed differently.

Namely: "Christ and the apostles were very clear about their condemnation of the jews."

Again, show where Christ condemned the jews, Show where He condemned Jews as a race or as a religion.

"I've already quoted where Christ condemned the jews."

Try again, Matty. Without the lies this time.I'll even make it simple for you. Start your next reply with it. Like this:

Gospel Book, Chapter: Verses-Hyphenated In Bold.

Then quote the passage directly, italics optional. Anything less, anything else and you're "done".

Put up or shut up, Matty! :D You should welcome the chance.!

Here's your big opportunity to expose "the Jews"! Here's your big moment to "share the truth!" !

Honestly, with an incentive like that, what's stopping you? ;-)

Or are you going to just fall back on that quote about lying spirits? :p

The only "lying mouth" around here is the one claiming Christ was "very clear" about "condemnation of the jews"

The Jews, Matty. Surely you know who they are! :D They're defined by race or religion. Show where Christ condemned them for being Jewish or practicing Judaism.

"I've quoted the Saints, the Popes, the doctors of the Church."

...all of which are mortal and prone to error. Technically it's a fallacious appeal to authority. They would be relevant only if someone was contesting they didn't say "x".

Besides, you cherry-pick your quotes and ignore everything else, including Christ Himself. Which brings us right back to where we should be, you 'n me. ;-)

Quote Jesus. Directly. Don't just say you did and talk about Pattfm. That's a deflection.

"Show me where Christ says that those who reject him (ie jews) can go to heaven."

Since I didn't make that claim, I'm not obligated to show proof for it. ;-) Sloppy, Matty. Very sloppy.

You however said, "Christ and the apostles were very clear about their condemnation of the jews."

If Christ was very clear then you should have no trouble quoting Him, now should you?

"You can shut that lying mouth of yours now. You're done."

Oh, I'm just getting started here, pilgrim. :D

You have a nasty habit of doing this. The last time it was Jesus condemned "talmudic Jews" when the talmud hadn't even been compiled yet. Now it's Christ was very clear about condemning the Jews when He did no such thing.

I'm "done" when you can quote Him directly and remember... Not just any quote. He must be "very clear" and condemn "the Jews". either for being ethnically Jewish or practicing Judaism as a religion

If you can't then you're done. Most likely you won't be.You? Never. You're going to hem and haw, call me names, ask what's going on in my pants, point to what Saint So and So said, what Henry Ford said, what Pattfm said, and so on.

What you won't do is stand by what you said -like a man.

You are a man, aren't you Matty? A Texan, no less? *stifled laughter* The kind of Texan who "rides, shoots straight and speaks the truth"? Then prove it.

If you can't, then you're just another reason why people north of the Mason-Dixon Line laugh at "dumb rednecks"...

Let's find out. If your reply doesn't begin with Gospel Book, Chapter: Verses-Hyphenated in Bold, then you're not just done, you're a damn fool. Or a "damned fool". Probably both in your case.

...and a liar. Can't ever forget that. ;-)

"Jews are condemned by very fact of their rejection of Christ."

That is NOT what I asked for, @mattsixteen24 . :D

Quote Jesus directly from the Gospels. Quote where He condemns a.) all Jews. b.)the Jewish race c.) the Jewish religion.

Put up or shut up. :D

"You have no argument."

At this point, I'm still demanding you factually support your premise. And you're obviously unable or unwilling to do so.

"because I expose the jews for the liars they are."

..and I expose YOU for the liar you are.

It isn't especially difficult, either. If there's any baseless slandering attacks, those always come from you when you a.) run out of material b.) get butthurt c.) your creepy curiosity overwhelms you once again about what's hiding in my underwear.

"(You) try to prohibit those from speaking truth about their wickedness."

Except I don't. I refute your falsehoods which is something entirely different. If your "truth" was genuine, it wouldn't be so easily disproven.

"You resort to jew tactics which makes you a judaizer"

Go read the wikipedia articl on what a "Judaizer" actually is.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaizers

I linked it for your educational benefit, dimwit. :p

When did factually disproving falsehood become a "jew tactic"?

Ah, that's right. It spoils Poor Lil' Matty's preachin'. You don't like getting fact-checked and everything you doesn't like is automatically "jewish", including facts that show your nonsense for what it truly is.

"...because lying is a jewish custom."

:D :D :D If that's the case, you are the biggest "Jew" on GTV. All you do is lie. You lie about me, you lie about Christ, you lie about "talmud" newspapers that were actually run by other anti-Semites, that's all you do. Lie and lie some more.

...and I'm still waiting on those quotes from Christ. That's a lie that I'm not going to ignore.This one:

"Christ and the apostles were very clear about their condemnation of the jews."

So let's see it. Quote the Gospels where Christ was "very clear" about his "condemnation of the Jews."

Your words, your claim, Put up or shut up, Matty.

Gospel quotes or admit you lied.

Nah, I'm not "trying to deconstruct the meaning". I'm simply pointing out your usage is wrong and designed to mislead. If being correct and pointing out error is "jewish" it's easy to understand why you despise "jews" so much.

"It is a deceptive pernicious judaizer who relentlessly obfuscates the truth."

Case in point: "Judaizers" are Christians who teach it is necessary to adopt Jewish customs and practices, especially those found in the Law of Moses.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaizers

I haven't done that. Another one of your lies. ...and then you complain about "obfuscating the truth".

You have no conception of "truth".

"Christ and the apostles were very clear about their condemnation of the jews."

Were they now? Christ was? You've repeated this lie before.

Same challenge from me. Prove it. Quote Jesus directly from the Gospels. Quote where He condemns a.) all Jews. b.)the Jewish race c.) the Jewish religion.

You never have, you never will. All you're going to do is cite a passage where He's arguing with a group of Pharisees. Then you're going to invent an unsupported extrapolation about what He "meant" about all Jews when He didn't say anything of the sort.

I've seen you do this before. We've gone over this ground before, you and I. Let's see if you come up with anything better today.

Ball's in your court, mattsixteen24

@Ultraviolet is now trying to deconstruct the meaning of 'delusional'. That's very jewish of it. It is a deceptive pernicious judaizer who relentlessly obfuscates the truth. Christ and the apostles were very clear about their condemnation of the jews. For those jews who believed in Christ were no longer jews but the early Christians.
“The Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and have persecuted us, do not please God, and they are adversaries to all men, prohibiting us from speaking to the Gentiles that they may be saved, to fill up their sin always: for the wrath of God has come upon them to the end.”— St. Paul, I Thessalonians 2:14-16

@Tesa Apologies that your post has turned into a another battlefield against bigots.

As for you, mattsixteen24 "Delusion" does not mean, "every fact that contradicts a bigot's fantasies." It also does not mean, "every piece of Scripture that refutes anti-Semitism".

Repeating a passage that does not apply does not make it relevant, Matty.

As I said, "the Jews" St. Paul was referring to in I Thessalonians 2:14-16 have been dead for over two thousand years.

You like to make this mistake regularly when you twist Scripture.

When Jesus was criticizing the Pharisees for being hypocrites, He was criticizing THOSE Pharisees and using them as an example to teach everyone else why He disapproves about hypocrisy. He wasn't crticizing all Pharisees or all Jews. Just the ones he was arguing with at the time. He was using them to make a point about hypocrisy etc.

If Jesus wanted to say "All Jews are 'x'..." then He would have done so, either before or certainly after the Resurrection. What galls you no end is The Son Of God didn't rant and foam at the mouth, the way you wanted Him to.

"The only fool on gloria.tv is those who attack anyone that speaks the truth about the Synagogue of Satan because like the jews you try to prohibit people from knowing the truth."

The truth? When have YOU ever spoken the "truth"? Even on this very comments thread I caught you lying about Scripture. A passage talks about supernatural spirits who deny God, What do you claim? The passage talks about "jews". It didn't. You lied.

You also lie through omission. The only quotes you ever give are when someone criticized the Jews. As I have said, many times also, being a saint is not being infallible.

You have not, can not, and will not find a quote from Jesus saying anything of the sort. I can find plenty where Jesus speaks of mercy, forgivness, loving those who do us wrong, and so on.

You never quote Jesus there, do you? Jesus contradicts your message of hate so you ignore what He says.

Whose word carries more theological weight, Matty? Jesus Christ or Felix of Toledo? :D

Likewise, I don't attack you. That is another lie. You love attacking me, endlessly calling me a "jew" when I am not, calling me a sodomite, when I am not. THOSE are attacks.

When I call you a liar, I can prove you lie. I call you an anti-Semite because your own comments support this.

What I attack is your lies, your faulty reasoning, your deliberate twisting and perversion of sacred Scripture. In short, all the garbage you shovel onto this site, piously labelling it as "the truth".

The truth and your "truth" are radically different. Unlike you, I WANT people to know the truth. I'm entirely confident theyc can choose wisely between your "truth" and the real thing, so long as they have the choice.

Ah, that's really what's bothering you here, Matty. You're not that confident. :D

I can't blame you. Your "truth" is a shadow of the genuine article. Like all shadows it's a form of darkness that has only a vague outline of what it imitates.

@Ultraviolet @St Cuthbert Mayne Bl. Padre Pio of Pietrelcina: “The Jews are enemies of God and foes of our holy religion.”

St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori: “Poor Jews! You invoked a dreadful curse upon your own heads; and that curse, miserable race, you carry upon you to this day, and to the End of Time you shall endure the chastisement of that innocent blood!”

St. Ambrose: “The Synagogue is a godless house, a collection of wickedness, and God Himself has damned it.”

St. Felix of Toledo, On the Condemnation of the Jews, Council XVII of Toledo, Canon 8: “It is known that the Jewish people are polluted with wickedness, blasphemy, and the shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ so that their wickedness has no limit.”

St. Augustine of Hippo: “Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed, Judas is the image of the Jewish people: their understanding of Scripture is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Savior, for through their fathers they have killed Christ. The Jews held Him; the Jews insulted Him; the Jews bound Him; they crowned Him with thorns; they scourged Him; they hanged Him upon a tree.”

Apocalypse 2:9: “I know thy tribulation and thy poverty, but thou art rich: and thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Judaites and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”Apocalypse 2:9: “I know thy tribulation and thy poverty, but thou art rich: and thou art blasphemed by them that say they are Judaites and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”