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Cardinal Raymond Burke on Abortion, Extraordinary Form, Communion in the Hand, Pro Multis. Interview taken in the Apostolic Signature in RomeMore
Cardinal Raymond Burke on Abortion, Extraordinary Form, Communion in the Hand, Pro Multis.

Interview taken in the Apostolic Signature in Rome
JTLiuzza
Two things leap out in reading below:

One is the defending the N.O. solely because it is "valid." There is much in the way of liturgy that is valid but nowhere near worthy of our Lord. I've never seen any other basis upon which modernists defend the N.O. that holds water.

Second, as sure as the sun rises, the liberal/modernist will in the end resort to assailing anyone who disagrees with him …More
Two things leap out in reading below:

One is the defending the N.O. solely because it is "valid." There is much in the way of liturgy that is valid but nowhere near worthy of our Lord. I've never seen any other basis upon which modernists defend the N.O. that holds water.

Second, as sure as the sun rises, the liberal/modernist will in the end resort to assailing anyone who disagrees with him by impugning his honesty, integrity, even sanity. Disgraceful.
holyrope 3
www.catholicapologetics.info/…/lasalet.html

Church approved LaSalette Message...what we are living through today.
mrsilvia
Mi dispiace, non conosco altre lingue, oltre l'italiano ed il francese...
ACLumsden
Not quite...... when we leave behind knowledge we enter the world of superstition and divination! Knowledge fuels prayer which fuels knowledge and faith. It canot be left out of the dynamic. If it is omitted, like I said, we descend into superstition and divination! 😇
mfm123
I agree with ACLumsden. Only tradys, aka heretics, agree that with the Sedevaticanists
ACLumsden
WHY O WHY PRAY TELL!!! are you chaps continuing to engage this mentally ill man [trady] on the Gloria.tv website????? The mind simply boggles at this utter display of non-intelligenciae and volleys to and fro of mentally challenged repartee!! You do this man NO favours in encouraging him in his dimentia..... CEASE AND DESIST!! For the love of God, do!! 😡
RomanCandle
Trady, you state the "seat is vacant". I respectfully disagree; there's a shortage of PRIESTS but no shortage of POPES!
RomanCandle
Trady, you have alluded to the Papal See being vacant. Would that be since the death of Pope Pius XII or Pope John XXIII? Are “Pope Pius XIII” or “Pope Michael I” true popes?
holyrope 3
@rhemes said:

"Invalid and Not a Sacrifice should not be on the list" (re: New Mass)


yes Rhemes, "it should Not be on the list"....but sadly it IS! Did you see the interview with Francis Cardinal Arinze when he said "Today one would have to question whether some of the New Masses is valid." And I have heard this said by numerous priests, Believe me. This is not saying all New Masses are …More
@rhemes said:

"Invalid and Not a Sacrifice should not be on the list" (re: New Mass)


yes Rhemes, "it should Not be on the list"....but sadly it IS! Did you see the interview with Francis Cardinal Arinze when he said "Today one would have to question whether some of the New Masses is valid." And I have heard this said by numerous priests, Believe me. This is not saying all New Masses are invalid.

"I suspect someone out there will be anxious to argue that. If you choose to do that; Please bring forth the Roman document that states the Mass is not a Sacrifice."

I think your question rather should be: "What constitutes for a Valid Mass, per what Rome has said." Three things:

1... FORM..."In reference to the sacraments, their form is the Sacramental sign or the words that specify the function of the Matter and Confer on it the power of sanctifying." (Fr. John Hardon's Catholic Disctionary)

This is when the priest says the words of institution of the Eucharist, pronounced at Mass, by which is accomplished the very sacrifice that Christ instituted at the Last Supper. The formula of consecration is uniform.

Now, let me say here, that not only myself but many others who are aware of the words of the Consecration that are SUPPOSE to be said by the priest offering the Mass, have NOT always been in accordance to what is Required to make that Mass Valid.

2. Matter... Material elements that are necessary for the reception of a sacrament. Valid Matter MUST be used and is Necessary for a VALID sacrament. (Fr. John Hardon's Catholic Dictionary)

Holy Mother Church has always prescribed that the MATTER to which communion hosts are to be made (ingredients) is Whole Wheat Flour and Water...That's It!

Here, I could write a book on this subject, but I will just give a couple of my own experiences and even one from a diocesan priest here who told me of his own experience, and Rhemes, he is not the only priest who has told me things quite similar, if not, more outrageous than the last. Which I'm sure some priests who post here could attest to!
About 5 yrs ago, the Sisters of St. Joseph put out a recipe book for a fund raiser. Sr. Theota (not real name) would try to sell me one of these books several times as I was leaving the Church. Well, I finally gave in, (even though I had tons of recipe books), one day while looking up a certain recipe, I came across a recipe titled "ALTAR BREAD". Ingredients: wheat flour, water, MARGARINE, and BAKING POWDER and SALT!
Now this was a recipe belonging to a Sister of St. Joseph,...I thought to myself, what is this all about??? as I knew what was needed for VALID Matter.
So, to cut to the chase, I had to go through several channels just to get to speak to this nun, who, was older. I asked her if this was her recipe, she acknowledged it was. I asked her what she uses this recipe for? Her response, "Well, for Mass!" Trying to contain my composure (which for an Italian can be hard sometimes), I then said to her, "Sister, surely you know what ingredients Rome has set down which constitutes what ingredients are to be used for it to be Valid, don't you? she said, "What is it?" I knew she was testing me..so I read to her the document with the ingredients so stated. Then I again proceeded to say to her, "You Know this don't you, sister?" she said "YES." I said to her, "Then WHY IN HEAVEN's NAME ARE YOU USING INVALID MATTER..YOU MUST KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING UP TO RECEIVE COMMUNION ARE NOT RECEIVING OUR LORD!" Total Silence on the other end! then she said, "Well, Father gave us permission to make them this way." I told her not only Father, but she, herself, will have to answer for what they are doing, and that I WILL REPORT IT! Then, she said, "I'm sorry."

Now, regarding the other priest I mentioned, let's just say he had the same experience...he gives communion to those in hospitals and nursing homes. And in one Nursing home, he said, that another order of nuns would be Adamant that he use ONLY the hosts they made. He told them, he brought his own and intended to use them, he said, they weren't happy!..later, he found out that Indeed they were using Margarine! .....Valid? Absolutely NOT!

3. INTENTION:
In the administration of a sacrament, the purpose or will of the one administering to do what the Church desires and convey to the recipient the grace of the sacrament; the habitual or virtual willing to do a thing as it is MEANT TO BE DONE. The purpose or end for which a religious act is performed, e.g., the intention of the celebrant at Mass.

This one,.....have I questioned the intention of a priest to consecrate, or his will and desire to do so? honestly and with deep regret, I have to answer yes. But, I will leave this one to God.
And remember, if just "one" of these three things are missing as stated above, the Mass is NOT valid!

Now,...do I believe all New Masses are invalid? No

Would I prefer to attend a traditional Latin Mass? you bet!

Just the facts stated above is plenty reason for me to want to attend the traditional Mass exclusively! And, do I need to mention having to witness our Lord in the Eucharist falling to the ground while lay distributors are giving out Communion? and then, not to even CLEAN THE AREA IN WHICH HE WAS DROPPED!


Rhemes, after attending the New Mass and also learning the Rubrics of the Mass, I came to learn that the abuses at MOST New Masses are sadly pathetic and a disgrace to God. I used to walk out of Church crying because of what I witnessed so frequently. I would go around from church to church seeking some tradition, some holiness, some kind of reverence and could find none. Then, I truly believe that at a time I was to know, someone had told me of a Latin Mass some miles away. I couldn't believe what I had heard, and I can't tell you how anxious I was to go there. After Years, and I DO mean Years of priests trying to refuse me and my family communion because we were on my knees and or because we wished to receive on the tongue, (to mention just a few) this for me was such a relief! So, from the first day I walked into Church for the traditional Mass, and saw the priest and MALE altar servers come walking out into the sancturary and begining the prayers at the foot of the altar, I KNEW I WAS HOME! And Thanks Be To GOD for this Beautiful, Holy, and Reverent Mass...The Mass that truly gives Him the Highest Amount of Glory, Respect, and Reverence! ✍️ Peace
Antanas245
Trady

please change your opinion about the new mass you don't have too like the new liturgy but it is

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valid and the representation of the sacrifice of the cross where Christ offered himself a Victim to god (Ephesians 5:2)
Antanas245
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Antanas245
When I was a sedevacantist. I never found the arguments for the
Novus Ordo to be invalid to be true.
holyrope 3
The Latin Mass has returned and is growing; and will continue. Deo Gratias!

Enough is Enough with the New Mass..how much more of the Abuses will Our Dear Lord Tolerate? It Must Stop!
ERASMUS
Outstanding and correct analysis, however we cannot stay without Peter.
My compliments for your speculative and liturgical knowledge. Erasmus39.
Dolorosa2010
I certainly agree with the Cardinal on abortion but there is much more to what happened after Vatican II/Novus Ordo:
catholictradition.org/Eucharist/v2-bombs.htmMore
I certainly agree with the Cardinal on abortion but there is much more to what happened after Vatican II/Novus Ordo:
catholictradition.org/Eucharist/v2-bombs.htm
ACLumsden
@CatholicLiturgy - Bravo that man!! According to Dr Fortesque on the origins of the Roman rite, what we see and experience in the 1962 Mass will be recognised by all peoples in the 17th and 18th Centuries - 1570....they would recognise it with questions about the Last Gospel, the Chants AND the ceremonial. Anything before this would be regional, e.g. the Sarum Rite in the UK, Notre Dame in Paris,…More
@CatholicLiturgy - Bravo that man!! According to Dr Fortesque on the origins of the Roman rite, what we see and experience in the 1962 Mass will be recognised by all peoples in the 17th and 18th Centuries - 1570....they would recognise it with questions about the Last Gospel, the Chants AND the ceremonial. Anything before this would be regional, e.g. the Sarum Rite in the UK, Notre Dame in Paris, etc...... all with their own peculiar ceremonial and ritual.

Before 600AD according to the Chronicles of Egeria, the altar was free standing and the clericum faced their Bishop who faced them at Mass - around the altar of sacrifice! Nothing like the 1962 form in the least!

But, on the other hand we do have a problem with continuance dear brother.... As I said in another post elsewhere, the hermeneutics of continuance requires MUCH more adjustments and constant reform.

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CatholicLiturgy
Excellent interview. There is, however, an unfortunate error in Cardinal Burke's historical review of the Extraordinary Form. "...the rite going back to practically Pope Gregory the Great." The form of the EF used today does not go back to Pope Gregory the Great. As a matter of fact, it looks very little like the rite celebrated in the time of Gregory I. There have been multiple, and at times …More
Excellent interview. There is, however, an unfortunate error in Cardinal Burke's historical review of the Extraordinary Form. "...the rite going back to practically Pope Gregory the Great." The form of the EF used today does not go back to Pope Gregory the Great. As a matter of fact, it looks very little like the rite celebrated in the time of Gregory I. There have been multiple, and at times inorganic, developments in the form and language of the liturgy from 600AD until 1962. I wish we would be honest and fess up to the fact that the EF of the liturgy in use is not the "ancient rite" - in it's form it is a fairly modern confluence. I might give you 1570, Cardinal Burke, but 600AD? That just isn't even close.

👍 "...we must work for the renewalof Catholic liturgy." BXVI 😇
dursovi
OTTIMO.
ana casper
EXCELENT!!!!!!!
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OUR HOLY CHURCH
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CARDINAL RAYMUND BURKY!
LETS PRAY FOR THIS INTENSION.
AMEN.