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‘Conformist’ younger clergy wary of Francis – Dublin archbishop

by Sarah Mac Donald

Pope Francis’ courage is causing disquiet among those with “a very conformist and closed Catholicism” the Archbishop of Dublin has warned.

In a speech given in Melbourne, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin referred to a young curate who recently told his parish priest he was not at all happy with some things the Pope had said.

The young priest felt they “were not in line with what he had learned in the seminary” and he suggested that they were “making the faithful insecure and even encouraging those who do not hold the orthodox Catholic beliefs to challenge traditional teaching.”

The archbishop warned Catholics against becoming “closed in” within our own ideas. He also acknowledged that Irish Catholicism had a strong tradition of strict teaching.

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On Guard
Ireland's seminaries are no more....
The only flourishing Church's in Ireland are those of SSPX.... They started with Jesus and are still traveling on the same path..... They have not adapted to the "Novus Ordo", or, the New Order of Catholicism.
Dr Bobus
I wonder what he thinks about Latin liturgy. Latin, as John XXIII said in Veterum Sapientia, transcends a particular time and place.
On the other, vernacular liturgy, by definition, is anchored in a particular time and place. Thus the greatest cause of being "closed in within our own ideas" is the vernacular liturgy.
What is now being taught in Ireland's many seminaries? Oh what, they've all closed …More
I wonder what he thinks about Latin liturgy. Latin, as John XXIII said in Veterum Sapientia, transcends a particular time and place.

On the other, vernacular liturgy, by definition, is anchored in a particular time and place. Thus the greatest cause of being "closed in within our own ideas" is the vernacular liturgy.

What is now being taught in Ireland's many seminaries? Oh what, they've all closed--except for one
Prof. Leonard Wessell
This attitude of the Archbishop sickens me, physically as well as spiritually. The thing today is to find harmony with Christian religions and other religions. We Catholics, probably also the Archbishop himself, are so prejudicially "closed in" on the divinity of Christ. But Muslims find that to be false, indeed, the deification of a human to be blasphemy. So, Dear Archbishop Martin, let us cease …More
This attitude of the Archbishop sickens me, physically as well as spiritually. The thing today is to find harmony with Christian religions and other religions. We Catholics, probably also the Archbishop himself, are so prejudicially "closed in" on the divinity of Christ. But Muslims find that to be false, indeed, the deification of a human to be blasphemy. So, Dear Archbishop Martin, let us cease causing offense to others and "unclose" our "cosed in" view of Jesus THE Christ and either simply reject the "closed in" view or, at least, push such thoughts into background, both in discussion, behavior and liturgical expression (which the Penetcostal whooping it up liturgy enables-- at any rate keep the "closed in" Latin Mass types away from seminaries). If a mind is not "closed in" on fundamentals, what goes in one ear departs from the other. J'accuse Archbishop Martin with the modern disease of relativism mentioned by Pope Benedict and doubt sincerely the integrity of his belief, i.e., if he really wants "unclosed" ideas. My patience is being tested. A report today in Germany is that, in both Protestant and Catholic Churches, the number of those quitting the Church(es) has increased significantly (though that is not true for German Islam). If prelates like the Archbishop upto and including Cardinals and Pope do not examine statistics, analyze them as to the causalities contained in them, and seek out a strategey supporting the "closed in" tradition (= Being through time) of Catholicism, the only thing constant remaining will be the word "Catholic", not the substance. But as the Jewish commentator, David Goldman, recently concluded after Pope Francis' visit to Israel: Pope Francis is not so much interested in saving souls as in saving the world. This means, to borrow from Obama", a "fundamental transformation", not of America, but of the Catholic Church.
I do not know why I read the posting, it is the usual decadence now informing "modern" Catholicism unto its death.