Therefore, leave to God the retribution, and take care of the injured!

So then, it's open season on Catholic clergy? If you disagree with a cleric, stuff a pie in his face. You will escape and there will be no consequences to your action.

I'm afraid not. Permitting these kinds of actions, without seeking justice, is the message that will be sent to like minded degenerates who then will be emboldened to commit even more acts of terrorism on the clergy. Is that the kind of behavior which should be encouraged?

One shouldn't have to consult their Catechism or Sacred Scripture when the issue being considered is a matter of respect for the rights and dignity of others. If one commits a crime, as in this case, expect to suffer the consequences.

Retribution? No.
Justice? Yes.

So ACL, would you rush to the nearest piano and play His Excellency a Mozart Rondo to cheer him up after the assault?

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@Rope and Cannoli: Gosh... I know not of what you speak. However, again you chaps deviate: I said I will take care of His Grace. Now, in traditional circles "His Grace" is the proper referal to an Archbishop. I do not know if this has been kept accross the pond in the USA.... The assailant will be dealt with, for "touch thou not the Lord's annointed" (2Kings). Therefore, leave to God the retribution, and take care of the injured!

"side-tracked"

Indeed!

Is this video about some criminal who disrepsects and assaults a Catholic prelate inside a Church or is it about some leftist Belgian loon who tries to defend the malefactor?

ACL wrote: The Church, while being universal, is run by human beings; people who are sometimes in grave error!

Irrelevant to the video. There is NO excuse for the actions of the perpetrator or for his/her apologists. Save the attacks-- hopefully limited to verbal attacks -- on clerics (justified in some cases) for an appropriate time and place.

Do take care not to project you own experience of Church onto others.

As I wrote earlier: Common sense, common courtesy and common decency are universal concepts not limited by time, borders or the belief in God.

@holyrope - Oh dear.....you keep getting side-tracked! The issue was had nothing to do with what you and Cannoli have embarked upon. My original comment was to call your attention to your caustic remark to Odin the Belgian, who, unlike you chaps over in the USA, live in a very extreme left-wing ecclesial environment. Do take care not to project you own experience of Church onto others. The Church, while being universal, is run by human beings; people who are sometimes in grave error! Put yourselves in their shoes and try to see their point of view - from their cultural perspective.

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. If there are no consequences to evil actions, would not more of those actions occur with progressively greater ferocity?

Incivility, disrespect, assault, and profaning a holy place are not concepts requiring advanced degrees in ethics to know they are unacceptable in a civilized society. In essence, this is not a “Catholic” issue. Common sense, common courtesy and common decency are universal concepts not limited by time, borders or the belief in God.

Personality and background play a major role in how each of us individually would respond in these kinds of uncomfortable/stressful situations. Most would be frozen and would watch choosing not to get involved except, perhaps, to call for help. Very, very few would intervene in a moment of crisis when possible injury to oneself might occur. We call those few, bold, self-sacrificing people “Heroes.”

Don't worry, Rope.
If I witnessed someone beating the pulp out of you, I would, most likely :-), intervene on your behalf and would give my cellphone to ACL and ask him to call the police.

"evil does not deserve attention"

Well if I would ever get mugged or beaten on the street, I sure hope your not the only one witnessing it.

Your response is exactly what I thought it would be.

I would have done nothing with respect to the assailant; evil does not deserve attention. My attention would be on His Grace and his safety.

Now, subjectively speaking, right and wrong are not as clinically devisible as you might suggest. You might be clear in your mind what this is, but sadly, due to social conditioning, tis not this clear for others - especially in Belgium (having given a few organ recitals there myself!). Things are worse there than they are in the USA.

ACLumsden...Is Holy Scripture different in Belgium than anywhere else? The Catholic faith is Universal, not regional; and it's Not pick n choose.

One doesn't have to be Roman Catholic to know that homosexuality is abnormal. Either be Catholic or leave it.

Guess you haven't had much experience with liberals on a one to one basis ACL....... Odin knows best and neither you nor I could educate him because he doesn't want to be "educated" in the true Catholic faith. The Bible is antiquated and no one knows more than he/she/it does.

ACL...what would you have done (if anything), were you to be present during this evil assault?

@Correctie


Thank you for the clarification. You wrote:

When I read your comment it is obvious that you only read the newspapers whitout doing some deeper research.

Unfortunately, online newspapers and reports are all that some of us have for research although a more thorough study is always a good policy to follow. This is especially important when dealing with these kinds of socially volitile issues where editorial bias and anti-Catholicism frequently appears.

Pax tecum
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If the uncivil actions in this video is now to be considered “harmless protest” by some, what has our civilization come to?

Incidentally, I personally don't care if any of you girly-men apologists for this assult are from Belgium, Barcelona or Bucharest. If a sacrilege such as this were to occur in my presence, I personally would demonstrate the meaning of “counter protest” by swiftly slapping the “hell” out of the perpetrator. All done, of course, in the marvelous ecumenical Spirit of Vatican II.

I wanted to react to the wrong reporting of the thoughts of Mgr Leonard by Odin.

First of all, the bishop never said that it was a punishement by God...NEVER AT ALL. He declared that it is kind of an immanent justice, not a divine justice, just like getting cancer by smoking habits...that's obvious. If you have a licentious sexual behaviour it is obvious that you could get HIV/AIDS.

He never said homosexuality was a disease. He did, indeed, make a comparison with anorexia, but not comparing homosexuality with anorexia, but considering the behaviour we have in both cases. Anorexia is not a normal behaviour, he said, but this doesn't make an anorexia patient abnormal in its own. The same for gays, he said, the behaviour is not the normal one, but this doesn't make them abnormal.

And finally you cheated also on his third quote. He is just wondering if, for old abusers (much more than the 60 years you propose, since the priests he's speaking about are not punishable by law anymore because they comitted these acts too long ago), it is not more usefull to organise a confrontation between the victim and the abuser.

I don't care about all this story, but I think it is important to report everything and completely...with context. When I read your comment it is obvious that you only read the newspapers whitout doing some deeper research...

BE INTELLECTUALY HONEST PLEASE

Hurra, hurra, die Monika ist wieder da,
hurra, hurra die Monika ist da!

Nach elf närrischen Tagen ohne sie erschallt der ur-mainzer Ruf:

"Wolle mer se roi losse?" - "Eroi mit re!"

It's just some cream on his face, this is a harmless protest action. OK, it's not friendly, but that's what protest is about.

Listen, I'm from Belgium and I'm born and raised roman catholic. But if you would know why this had happened you would maybe understand somehow why this person did that ...

All th other Bisshops in Belgium condemn his latest "ideas" ... there's a lot going on ...

The latstest Month he declared this:

- he said that Aids is justice by God, a punishment.
- then he said that homosexuality is a disease ... while the world of science and common sense already knows that's it's just a way of life.
AND last but not least, ths may be the reason for throwing the cake: :)

- There have been hundreds of cases of abuse by priests and higher priests of children which came to light the latest year ... the justice department is investigating all cases fully at the moment ...
Now this guy Léonard said the following:
If a priest is like over 60 and already on a pension, this priest shouldn't be punished by the court and shouldn't go to court. :) LOL because these priests are too old :) LOL Like there's an age from crime.
This last could be the reason why people go mad and trow a cake ...

Listen, If you were repeatedly abused when you were young by a priest and now are ready to prosecute the priest ... and now this guy léonard tells in front of the camer they should leave the priests alone ... this produces anger and disgust ...

Léonard his own spokesman quit his job last week just because he thinks this guy Léonard is out his mind. (his words)

Actually, the majority of the people think like this ... don't attack me, I'm just saying, this is they way it is these days ... the (catholic) church, and i mean the people who run it are not popular at all anymore ...

SILENCE IS GOLDEN :)

Aren't bishops supposed to carry a crosier? Excellency, keep it near at all times. Instead of being merely symbolic, it might prove to have a practical
application in guiding a wayward sheep or two.

Acts like this one will embolden other militant disordered Sodomites who will not tolerate any deviation from their professed deviancy. First of all, homilists, in particular, need to be awake and aware of their surroundings.
Second, arrange for men from the parish (ideally with military or law enforcement backgrounds) who will act as security during the service or, if necessary, hire private security.

It's a jungle out there and this clip proves it.



Rope:
It may have happened so quickly that it would have been nearly impossilbe to stop the perp unless the attack was anticipated. We don't know how this ended but the offender should not have been allowed to escape.

Eine unglaubliche Frechheit.

Aber vielleicht hätte diese junge Aktivistin die Torte lieber selber essen sollen - sie wird noch "harte Zeiten" kommen sehen, wo man sich vergeblich nach einem Stück Torte sehnt.