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Massimo Faggioli and Cardinal Burke have to be shown their theological mistake : rejection of the Syllabus of Errors with a false premise

OCTOBER 8, 2017

Massimo Faggioli and Cardinal Burke have to be shown their theological mistake : rejection of the Syllabus of Errors with a false premise

Massimo Faggioli says on Twitter that we have to choose the theology of the Syllabus of Errors or Vatican Council II as interpreted by the popes.

He also says:


This is how Cardinal Raymond Burke reasons too and the complicated theology he hides under the rug and gets on with life.They both use the same reasoning.Faggioli accepts Vatican Council II with an irrationality and Cardinal Burke also accepts Vatican Council II with the irrationality, complains at times, but does not outright reject the Council( with the false premise) as do the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX).

The way I see it is, all their problems begin with the Fr. Leonard Feeney case.The false premise was created in 1949 in a big way and then it was made official at Vatican Council II.


The false premise is: invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood (BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are physically visible.

The strange inference is: These visible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.

The final non traditional conclusion is : They are examples of salvation outside the Church and are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So traditional EENS and the Syllabus of Errors are rejected.

This is how Massimo Faggioli and Cardinal Burke reason.This is the reasoning from Pope Pius XII to Pope Francis.

1.We have to ask ourselves what would be the conclusion if we considered BOD, BOB and I.I being simply invisible in 2017? These speculative cases are physically invisible in 2017. This is common sense. It is something obvious.

2.Similarly what if LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only speculative and unknown people in 2017?


So what is the conclusion? How do you read the text of Vatican Council II?

There will be a change. Of course there will be a change. When the premise is changed the conclusion will also change.


With invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I and LG 16, LG 8 etc the conclusion is a Vatican Council II ( premise-free) and an EENS( premise-free) which does not contradict the Syllabus of Errors.

But for Massimo Faggioli the Syllabus of Errors is contradicted with Vatican Council II.He uses the irrational premise, what is invisible is visible for him.There is a
visible for him BOD,BOB and I.I. So he says either Vatican Council II or the Syllabus.The Syllabus is a theological view that is not Catholic anymore, for him.


Even for Cardinal Muller, Archbishop Di Noia, Archbishop Guido Pozzo and Pope Benedict the Syllabus of Errors is meaningless today.Since with visible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I being mistaken as visible exceptions to the the dogma EENS, the past exclusivist ecclesiology is put away.

With there being known salvation outside the Church there is the new ecumenism.It contradicts the Syllabus of Errors.

With there being known salvation outside the Church all non Christians do not need to enter the Church for salvation.This is a new doctrine onsalvation and other religions. Again the Syllabus is contradicted.

Visible for us LG 16, UR 3 etc also contradicts the past ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.There are visible and known cases of people saved outside the Church is also Faggioli and Burke's reasoning.


So the old Catholic theology is no more there with the new theology based on the irrational premise.

Now what if we avoid the premise I keep asking? Of course there will be a Vatican Council II which is premise-free.A different Council.We will read the same text but differently.

For me
invisible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I are not personally known examples of salvation outside the Church in the present times.I cannot meet or see someone saved outside the Church.Someone who does not exist in our reality cannot be an exception to the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church.There can only be an ecumenism of return for me.There is no practical known case of a Protestant saved outside the Church and theologically, with the old ecclesiology, there is no other choice.So for me Vatican Council II does not contradict the Syllabus of Errors on ecumenism but it contradicts Faggioli's concept of ecumenism.

With there being no known salvation outside the Church for me there is only the exclusivist ecclesiology and traditional mission.So for me Vatican Council II does not contradict the Syllabus of Errors on other religions and salvation.But it contradicts Faggioli's concept of salvation in other religions.


When Pope Benedict XVI says that Vatican Council II has a hermeneutic of continuity he means Vatican Council II with the premise is in harmony with EENS, also interpreted with the premise i.e BOD,BOB and I.I are visible cases.He will notaffirm EENS without the premise.Neither will he affirm Vatican Council II without the premise.Since it would be in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology and this would be politically incorrect for him.

It is the same with Massimo Faggioli who does not affirm Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441 on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, since he accepts the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which uses the false premise. So there is now a new ecclesiology for Faggioli and Burke.

Cardinal Burke offers the Tridentine Rite Mass with the new ecclesiology in his mind and not that of the magisterium of the 16th century.


Cardinal Burke and Massimo Faggioli need to affirm EENS(premise-free) and Vatican Council II(premise-free) since it is unethical and deceptive to consider BOD, BOB and I.I and also LG 16, LG 8, UR 3,GS 22, NA 2, AG 11 etc as referring to visible and known cases saved outside the Church.Then with this deception the old ecclesiology and the Syllabus of Errors is rejected.Unknowingly this is what Massimo Faggioli and Cardinal Burke are doing.It is the same with the ecclesiastics at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Ecclesia Dei, Vatican.-Lionel Andrades

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