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Divine Mercy Miracle? Light Beams From Divine Mercy Image During Parish Mass Live-Stream |

Whoa! What do you think of this? Father José Guadalupe Aguilera Murillo of San Isidro Labrador Catholic Church in Querétaro, Mexico broadcasted Mass …
Dr Bobus
For some now there has been the tendency to presume certain phenomena to be miraculous.

Any investigation a purported miracle must proceed in the following manner.
-1- It must first be proven that the phenomena did not have a natural cause. If that is established, then
-2- It must then be established that the phenomena did not have a satanic cause.
-3- Only then can it be established to have …More
For some now there has been the tendency to presume certain phenomena to be miraculous.

Any investigation a purported miracle must proceed in the following manner.
-1- It must first be proven that the phenomena did not have a natural cause. If that is established, then
-2- It must then be established that the phenomena did not have a satanic cause.
-3- Only then can it be established to have had a Divine cause.
Roberto 55
To frawley. We can say same for the first opinion declaring the miracle...
BTW the beams are not straight and are also visible thru the persons (priest and nun)...
occasnltrvlr
For the record, neither the original article nor the published words of frawley declare that a miracle occurred. The article poses the question, and declares it a "blessing". If, in the end, it proves to have been or miracle, or to the contrary serves to bring to light a fraud, it will have been a blessing either way.
Roberto 55
It is a time sequence in play. My reaction to Frawley was before this discussion started... Now I know.
frawley
Defeat Modernism - Do you have any particular authority to declare what is a miracle and what is not? I suspect that you are expressing a private opinion.
Defeat Modernism
Are not you expressing an opinion by saying that it is a miracle? Divine Mercy was banned twice by the holy office. The modernist heretic JPII decided to 'approve' it. The Sacred Heart is Catholic, divine mercy is a fraud.
frawley
My personal opinion is like yours that it is most likely not a miracle but light reflecting on the camera lens. I do not have the authority to declare it true or false nor did I conduct a proper investigation. I also do not have the authority to declare anyone a heretic. By the way are you a Roman Catholic?
Ultraviolet
"Are not you expressing an opinion by saying that it is a miracle?" frawley didn't say that Defeat Modernism Quote them where they said it is not a miracle. You won't because you can't. Once again, you're putting your words in someone else's mouth. You do that a lot... the Blessed Mother, the Council of Trent, and now poor old Frawley.

In fact, Frawley hasn't offered any opinion on this. …More
"Are not you expressing an opinion by saying that it is a miracle?" frawley didn't say that Defeat Modernism Quote them where they said it is not a miracle. You won't because you can't. Once again, you're putting your words in someone else's mouth. You do that a lot... the Blessed Mother, the Council of Trent, and now poor old Frawley.

In fact, Frawley hasn't offered any opinion on this. All they've done is ask if you have the authority to declare what is a miracle and what is not.

While we're on the subject of authority The Catholic Church has determined that Pope John Paul II is a saint. As a matter of historical fact, he was never charged much less convicted of heresy by The Church. That means you have no canonical grounds to call a Catholic saint a "heretic". In this case, you are in direct contradiction with The Church's assessment of JPII"s Catholic orthodoxy and his holiness.

Truth is, you're one of those weird "traditionalists" who isn't a traditionalist at all. You pick and choose what parts of The Church's teachings you follow, you do the same with Scripture, and then discard all the rest.

Ironically, that's every bit as "modernist" as Pope Francis and the legacy of Vatican Council II that spawned him.
Defeat Modernism
Please spare us the multi paragraph nonsense. Divine Mercy was condemned twice and the heretic JPII revived it because it fit false, delusional theology.
Defeat Modernism
@Ultraviolet JPII is NO SAINT he is an Apostate. You will love my new video exposing him in his own words and actions..... youtu.be/CxXgt8JXJbo
Ultraviolet
The only nonsense here is yours. Apostasy and heresy have specific meanings in Canon Law. A person can't be a heretic AND an apostate at the same time. You either don't know what the terms mean, or you're just so stupid you choose to misuse them anyway. There. Was that short enough for you, sweetheart? :D You'll love my new macro, too. :P
Defeat Modernism
Definitely not a miracle. youtu.be/X6HI1Cx6Bpk