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Francis Persecution: It's the Papa Stronsay Redemptorists' Turn

Francis has ordered “an investigation” into a Papa Stronsey Redemptorists' foundation in Christchurch, New Zealand, NewsHub.co.nz (November 14) triumphantly reports.

NewsHub (controlled by Warner Bros. Discovery) has launched a propaganda stunt against the Redemptorists, and the Vatican is more than happy to oblige when it gets an order from the oligarchs.

There are wishy-washy accusations of “spiritual and psychological abuse” and “unauthorised” exorcisms against the Redemptorists but the real reason is that they follow the Roman Rite.

Now, former Toowoomba Bishop Robert McGuckin, Australia, will hold an “investigation”.

As often, the Vatican is using random accusations of disgruntled ex-members who blame others for their own failures.

The Papa Stronsay Redemptorists were founded under the Society of PiusX but reconciled with the Vatican after Summorum Pontificum in 2008.

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Jan Joseph
De westerse landen hebben veel kritiek op Israël. Het Vaticaan is een zelfstandig land net als Israël. Het Vaticaan vervolgd gelovigen die het Universele Rooms Katholieke geloof belijden en de Tridentijnse Heilige Mis vieren van voor het Tweede Vaticaanse Concilie. Het Vaticaan overtreedt hiermee de grondwet van veel landen in de wereld. Waarom durft geen enkel land hier iets van te zeggen?
Brendan Davies
I bet the Redomptorists wish they hadn't 'reconciled' with Modernist Rome now.
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
Although this is a good Order of traditional priests and brothers, I think that one of the big concerns is that they don't live according to what the great St. Alfonsus de Ligouri invisioned for his Redemptorists. He thought of his Order living in community, in regular monasteries with common cells/dorm wings, not in individual hermitages like these religious do. Also, the original Redemptorists …More
Although this is a good Order of traditional priests and brothers, I think that one of the big concerns is that they don't live according to what the great St. Alfonsus de Ligouri invisioned for his Redemptorists. He thought of his Order living in community, in regular monasteries with common cells/dorm wings, not in individual hermitages like these religious do. Also, the original Redemptorists did not place so much time on withdrawl from the world, like cloistered monks...as these religious do. The Redemptorists were extremely active religious, living in monasteries in the heart of the cities, reaching retreats, staffing parishes, being missionaries. These religious as far as I saw on YouTube don't. They are more like cloistered monks like the Camaldolese (each with their own little house).
The only good thing about some of these investigations, is that some liberal (more progressive) groups principally of the "charismatic type" have been investigated too, and several of them closed down. They used the Novus Ordo, but also bizarre traditions of their own.
filiiSSR
Dear Kenjiro M. Yoshimori,
The institute that St Alphonsus founded looked somewhat different from that which is in existence today. In fact, the changes St Alphonsus’ vision really began with the General Chapter of 1855. Many things were changed then. For example, it was the Chapter of 1855 that permitted monasteries to be built in cities. You say that “The Redemptorists were extremely active …More
Dear Kenjiro M. Yoshimori,

The institute that St Alphonsus founded looked somewhat different from that which is in existence today. In fact, the changes St Alphonsus’ vision really began with the General Chapter of 1855. Many things were changed then. For example, it was the Chapter of 1855 that permitted monasteries to be built in cities. You say that “The Redemptorists were extremely active religious, living in monasteries in the heart of the cities…” This is only true after the Chapter of 1855, and was explicitly not St Alphonsus’ vision. In the time of St Alphonsus, the Redemptorist monasteries were compared to the hermitages of the Desert Fathers. From those who described those monasteries founded by St Alphonsus we hear expressions such as: “a hermitage, a lonely, solitary spot” (the Monastery at Ciorani) where “Nubia and the Thebaid never saw coenobites more given to contemplation than our hermits;” “the blessed hermitage” where the saint’s life “might be compared to that of the anchorites of the desert”; “the desert”; “the hermitage so well adapted for recollection and prayer”; the place was “difficult of access”, “remote”, described as being “this desert, where they might live as penitents, and seek out the lost sheep as Jesus had done”; where a “truly eremitical life began for all of them;” it was “the solitude of the anchorites of Egypt” where “we live in calm and silence far from the tumult of the world, hearing nothing of what is passing there;” the house in Iliceto was “the new Thebaid”, “the solitude” where they lived “on the hill alone, like Jesus in the desert”; the houses of Caposele and Villa degli Schiavi were both described as hermitages.

As for the design of our monastery, while it may be different than those which St Alphonsus lived in, you must agree that it is very in keeping with the vision he had for the spirit of his monasteries as described above. Many serious Redemptorist authors, and the whole Redemptorist tradition attribute to St Alphonsus himself the following dictum: Redemptorists must be Carthusians at home, and apostles abroad.

Parishes are amongst the works listed in St Alphonsus’ rule as specifically forbidden to Redemptorists: “They shall not take part in processions or public functions; they shall not have the direction of seminaries, nor of religious women, either communities or individuals, whether enclosed or not: nor shall they give them retreats, for this is permitted only on the occasion of missions, or other exercises, given in, or near, the places where such convents are. For the same reason it is forbidden to have parishes, or to preach courses of Lenten sermons.” This rule of St Alphonsus was again changed by the Chapter of 1855.

The original Redemptorist charism is given in short as “semi-contemplative”. In this way the members of the Redemptorists were more closely to imitate the life of Our Lord, Who ministered to the people, and then retired to a desert place to pray. In the Chapter of 1764 St Alphonsus himself established the “seasons”. In this way the year was split into four seasons, contemplative, active, contemplative, active. The intention here was to ensure that during the contemplative seasons the entire community was at home, living their common contemplative life together, recouping their strength and spiritual storehouse so as to be able to go out once again at the appointed time to minister to the people. The seasons were divided so as to have more time in the contemplative life than in the active. In the 1980s I believe, the Redemptorists finally did away entirely with the contemplative aspect of their life.

I could go on, but will leave it there. As you can see, the idea you have of the Redemptorists is very far indeed from what St Alphonsus envisioned.
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
@filiiSSR -Thank you very much. I didn't know that the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer conform more to St. Alphonsus original vision than the Redemptorists of today. I first got acquainted with Redemptorists reading the biography of our great Saint and Archbishop of Philadelphia, Saint John N. Neumann, C.SS.R. and visiting his Shrine in Philadelphia....a beautiful Church unfortunatly wreckovated …More
@filiiSSR -Thank you very much. I didn't know that the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer conform more to St. Alphonsus original vision than the Redemptorists of today. I first got acquainted with Redemptorists reading the biography of our great Saint and Archbishop of Philadelphia, Saint John N. Neumann, C.SS.R. and visiting his Shrine in Philadelphia....a beautiful Church unfortunatly wreckovated somewhat by the reforms of Vatican II. It is a multi-ethnic parish now, but once served mostly German Catholics in Philadelphia, with an adjoining school staffed by the School Sisters of Notre Dame which also were largely of German background and served the German community. Today the area is mostly Latino.
I also saw pictures of the unfortunatly now closed St.Alphonsus seminary that the Redemptorist Order had in New York. It is very sad how this once great Order, close to 10,000 members before Vatican II, has declined today to barely 4,000. Some of our older neighbors remember in their childhood going to 40 hr. retreats conducted by the Redemptorist Fathers and Brothers, and the Redemptorists of 605-75 years ago and earlier had "mission bands" who would conduct 40 hr. Retreats finishing off with a procession and Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament. It sounds beautiful, but is all gone today.
I hope your good community survives this investigation by this Pope and his group of examiners. Solid and good traditional new Orders which use the Roman Rite Mass should not be targeted for examination, but I could name at least 2 new "Vatican II" inspired communties which should be investigated and suppressed. God bless your Order, and I hope it is growing.