Catholic-Jewish dialogue explores Jewish New Testament commentary; YouCat revision discussed

Catholic-Jewish dialogue explores Jewish New Testament commentary; YouCat revision discussed

Representatives of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) and National Council of Synagogues met recently to discuss Amy Jill Levine and Mark Zvi Brettler’s Jewish Annotated New Testament.

“The publication of Levine's and Brettler's comprehensive work on the New Testament represents an important milestone in Catholic-Jewish relations," said Auxiliary Bishop Denis Madden of Baltimore, chairman of the USCCB Committee on Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs.

“Never before has a group of Jewish scholars made so learned and technical a reading of the New Testament. Clearly, this new effort reflects the progress we have made since the Second Vatican Council in mutual respect for each other's sacred Scriptures.”

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Holy Cannoli
Benny the Boob writes:
...equating a conference talk given by a rabbi with the doctrine of the Catholic Church just because it is quoted on the Vatican's website.
It is NOT a doctrine, Boobie and nobody (other than you) said it was. It was a statement given before the Jews made by John Paul II the Great, a statement that appears on the Vatican's own website.
The fact that this statement -- Commission …More
Benny the Boob writes:

...equating a conference talk given by a rabbi with the doctrine of the Catholic Church just because it is quoted on the Vatican's website.

It is NOT a doctrine, Boobie and nobody (other than you) said it was. It was a statement given before the Jews made by John Paul II the Great, a statement that appears on the Vatican's own website.

The fact that this statement -- Commission For Religious Relations With The Jews -- appears on the Vatican website and was given during a conference with the Holy See gives it credibility regardless of who it is making/repeating the comment. Obviously, in your little upside down neo-Catholic world what appears on the Vatican website is in error and irrelevant if it conflicts with your neo-Catholic sacred cows.

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Holy Cannoli pitch hit

What you are attempting to say is “Holy Cannoli PINCH hit.”

Wake up, Boobie.
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In yet another in a long line of personal, insulting, defamatory, ad hominem attacks, "Boobie" writes:

I truly have given up on this site (Glloria.tv), which gets more and more anti-Catholic by the day.

This site is clearly a near occasion of sin for you so you are obliged to leave for the sake of your soul and our peace.

😜
Ben Martin
Come on St. Ben---you can do much better than that---you complain about HC—you did not even make it to bat. 😌
Your response is cowardly and a cover up—who care if the monastery is from Mars (I am not asking you to follow them or worship them)--look at the references they provide, most are Novus Ordo or New church sources—look at the writings of JP2--footnotes---check them out—nothing is wrong …More
Come on St. Ben---you can do much better than that---you complain about HC—you did not even make it to bat. 😌

Your response is cowardly and a cover up—who care if the monastery is from Mars (I am not asking you to follow them or worship them)--look at the references they provide, most are Novus Ordo or New church sources—look at the writings of JP2--footnotes---check them out—nothing is wrong with them and compare them to real Catholic quotes—it will shock you.

You will not be calling JPII the Great but the Fake. 🚬

Do not get stuck in the Novus Ordo Opium Den of Illusion—look at what Church say and look at the quotes of JPII----the new church is proud of these quotes—you will find them on your websites. Plus you see picture of JPII doing scandal and sacrileges at Assisi and Kissing a Koran, etc---endless amounts. Photos ---all from Novus Ordo or New Vatican sources---so the sources are not the problem here---it taking a Catholic position to look at the truth and not be of the brain washed mentality that so many in the N.O. have toward seeking the truth. ✍️

SB—did you look at these below---great references---and you cannot refute even one???? 😎

Something wrong with your Catholicism or it not Catholicism ---for Catholicism is the bulwarker and able to root out heresy----if you can Not do such----it means your side of the house is where the heresy is and we are just point it out to you for the salvation of the your soul.

The New Ecclesiology: An Overview
Most Rev. Donald J. Sanborn
Vatican II's teaching about the nature of the Church, who belongs to it, salvation outside it, and why the teaching is explicitly heretical. (Catholic Restoration, Sep-Oct 2004)
[23 Oct 2005]

The New Ecclesiology: Documentation
Most Rev. Donald J. Sanborn
Side-by-side comparison of Vatican II and pre-Vatican II teaching on (1) Whether heretical and schismatic churches are part of Christ's Church. (2) Whether it is possible to be part of the Christ's Church without submission to the Pope. (3) Whether the 'one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church' becomes 'present' in every valid celebration of the Eucharist. (4) Whether the Holy Ghost uses schismatic and/or heretical sects as means of salvation. [PDF, Catholic Restoration, Sep-Oct 2004]
[23 Oct 2005]
Ben Martin
ST Ben---
Patiences--i do not live on Gloria Tv---I have a life.
Plenty of references---now refute them ---good luck
www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/16_JohnPaulII.pdfMore
ST Ben---
Patiences--i do not live on Gloria Tv---I have a life.

Plenty of references---now refute them ---good luck
www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/16_JohnPaulII.pdf
Holy Cannoli
You are quoting Rabbi David Rosen, NOT exactly part of the Church, or a reliable witness to Blessed John Paul II.
The site is the Vatican's own website. Now, you are suggesting that the Vatican's own website is promulgating falsehoods about JP-II the Great? How low can a neo-Catholic go?
You better go to confession.
In yet another in a long line of personal, insulting, defamatory, ad hominem attacks …More
You are quoting Rabbi David Rosen, NOT exactly part of the Church, or a reliable witness to Blessed John Paul II.

The site is the Vatican's own website. Now, you are suggesting that the Vatican's own website is promulgating falsehoods about JP-II the Great? How low can a neo-Catholic go?

You better go to confession.

In yet another in a long line of personal, insulting, defamatory, ad hominem attacks, "St. Benedict..." writes:

I truly have given up on this site (Glloria.tv), which gets more and more anti-Catholic by the day.

😜
Holy Cannoli
Read it and weep, Benny.
In keeping with Pope John Paul II’s statements, Cardinal Walter Kasper, President of the Holy See’s Commission for Religious Relations with Jewry, stated in an address at Boston College, in November 2002, “This does not mean that Jews in order to be saved have to become Christians; if they follow their own conscience and believe in God’s promises as they understand them …More
Read it and weep, Benny.

In keeping with Pope John Paul II’s statements, Cardinal Walter Kasper, President of the Holy See’s Commission for Religious Relations with Jewry, stated in an address at Boston College, in November 2002, “This does not mean that Jews in order to be saved have to become Christians; if they follow their own conscience and believe in God’s promises as they understand them in their religious tradition, they are in line with God’s plan, which for us came to its historical completion in Jesus Christ”.

www.vatican.va/…/rc_pc_chrstuni_…

7 paragraphs from the top, Ace.

As a result of this "teaching" (read: borderline heresy) Benedict has had to walk it back.

www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp
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By the way, why are you still here? This site is obviously a near occasion of sin for you so you are obliged to leave for the sake of your soul and our sanity.

In yet another in a long line of personal, insulting, defamatory, ad hominem attacks, "St. Benedict..." writes:

I truly have given up on this site (Glloria.tv), which gets more and more anti-Catholic by the day.

🤗
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Holy Cannoli
Here ya go, Benny.
Not exactly what I wanted but it's from one of the favorite sites of you neo-Catholcs. The answer, of course, will not satisfy you -nothing will. However, I enjoy demonstrating what an obstinate, in-denial, neo-Catholic you are.
www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp
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Here ya go, Benny.

Not exactly what I wanted but it's from one of the favorite sites of you neo-Catholcs. The answer, of course, will not satisfy you -nothing will. However, I enjoy demonstrating what an obstinate, in-denial, neo-Catholic you are.

www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp

😜
Holy Cannoli
I want to read what Ben is reading.
B.S. What you want is to attempt to refute his post based on his source. Typical ad hominem which is your stock and trade.
The fact is that his post is 100% accurate as shown in the google link. You know it but you are too much of an annoying little neo-Catholic twit to acknowledge it.
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I want to read what Ben is reading.

B.S. What you want is to attempt to refute his post based on his source. Typical ad hominem which is your stock and trade.

The fact is that his post is 100% accurate as shown in the google link. You know it but you are too much of an annoying little neo-Catholic twit to acknowledge it.

😜
Holy Cannoli
Google is your friend, Benny.
www.google.com/search:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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Google is your friend, Benny.

www.google.com/search:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

😜
Ben Martin
In an address to Jews in Mainz, West Germany, Nov. 17, 1980,
John Paul II
spoke of"the Old Covenant, never revoked by God…”
Pope Benedict XIV,
Pope Eugene IV,
Council of Florence, 1441, ex cathedra:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and teaches that the matter
pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, the Mosaic law, which are divided into
ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, …More
In an address to Jews in Mainz, West Germany, Nov. 17, 1980,

John Paul II

spoke of"the Old Covenant, never revoked by God…”

Pope Benedict XIV,

Pope Eugene IV,

Council of Florence, 1441, ex cathedra:

“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and teaches that the matter
pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, the Mosaic law, which are divided into
ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments…

after our Lord’s coming… ceased,

and the sacraments of the New Testament began…

All, therefore, who after that time

(the promulgation of the Gospel) observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other
requirements of the law, the holy Roman Church declares alien to the Christian faith
and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation

.”52

Pope Benedict XIV reiterated this dogma in his encyclical

Ex Quo Primum.

Pope Benedict XIV,

Ex Quo Primum (# 61):

“The first consideration is that the ceremonies of the Mosaic Law were abrogated by
the coming of Christ and that they can no longer be observed without sin after the
promulgation of the Gospel.”

53

Pope Pius XII,

Mystici Corporis Christi (#’s 29-30), June 29, 1943: “And first of all, by the

death of our Redeemer,

the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had

been abolished

… on the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees

Ex Quo Primum (# 59), March 1, 1756:

“However they are not attempting to observe

the precepts of the old Law which as

everybody knows have been revoked by the coming of Christ.”

[Eph. 2:15]… establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human
race. ‘

To such an extent, then,’ says St. Leo the Great, speaking of the Cross of our

Lord, ‘was there effected a transfer from the Law to the Gospel, from the Synagogue to
the Church

, from many sacrifices to one Victim, that, as our Lord expired, that mystical

veil which shut off

the innermost part of the temple and its sacred secret was rent

violently from top to bottom.’ On the Cross then the Old Law died

, soon to be buried

and to be a bearer of death…”

We see here that Pope Benedict XIV condemns the heresy taught by John Paul II, that the Old
Covenant has never been revoked by God! John Paul II repeated the same bold heresy in a 1997
speech:
John Paul II,

Meeting on the Roots of Anti-Semitism, 1997: “This people [the Jewish people]

has been called and led by God, Creator of Heaven and Earth. Their existence then is not
a mere natural or cultural happening… It is a supernatural one.

This people continues

in spite of everything to be the people of the covenant

John Paul II,

New Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 121: “… for the Old

Covenant has never been revoked

John Paul II’s Unbelievable Message in Commemoration of

the Jewish Synagogue

John Paul II,

Message to Chief Rabbi of Rome, May 23, 2004: “To the most distinguished Dr.

Riccardo Di Segni, Chief Rabbi of Rome. Shalom! With deep joy

I join the Jewish

Community of Rome which is celebrating the centenary [100

th anniversary] of the Great

Synagogue in Rome

, a symbol and a reminder of the millennial presence in this city of

the people of the Covenant of Sinai. For more than 2000 years

your community has been

an integral part of life in the city;

it can boast of being the most ancient Jewish

community in Western Europe and of having played an important role in spreading

Judaism on this Continent

. Today’s commemoration, therefore, acquires a special

significance… Since I am unable to attend in person, I have asked my Vicar General

Camillo Ruini, to represent me; he is accompanied by Cardinal Walter Kasper, President

of the Holy See’s Commission for Relations with the Jews.

They formally express my

desire to be with you this day

.

“In offering you my respectful greeting, distinguished Dr. Riccardo Di Segni, I extend

my cordial thoughts to all the Members of the Community, to their President, Mr. Leone

Elio Paserman, and to all who are gathered to witness once again to

the importance and

vigor of the religious patrimony that is celebrated every Saturday in the Great

Synagogue of Rome



Today’s celebration, in whose joy we all readily join, recalls the first century of this

majestic Synagogue.

It stands on the banks of the Tiber, witnessing with the harmony of

its architectural lines to faith and to praise of the Almighty.

The Christian Community of

Rome, through the Successor of Peter, joins you in thanking the Lord for this happy

occasion [the 100

th anniversary of the Synagogue!]

. As I said during the Visit I

mentioned,

we greet you as our ‘beloved brothers’ in the faith of Abraham, our

Patriarch…

you continue to be the first-born people of the Covenant (Liturgy of Good

Friday, General Intercessions, For the Jewish People

)…

[These friendly relations]

saw us united in commemorating the victims of the Shoah

[deceased Jews who did not accept Christ], especially those who were wrenched from

their families and from your beloved Jewish Community in Rome

in October 1943 and

interned in Auschwitz.

May their memory be blessed and induce us to work as brothers

and sisters…



the Church has not hesitated to express deep sorrow at the ‘failures of her sons and

daughters in every age’ and, in an act of repentance,

has asked forgiveness for their

responsibility connected in any way with the scourges of anti-Judaism

and anti-

Semitism…

Today… we are addressing a fervent prayer to the Eternal One, to the God of Shalom,

so that enmity and hatred may no longer overpower those who turn to

our father,

Abraham – Jews, Christians and Muslims



“Our meeting today is, as it were, in preparation for your imminent solemnity of

Shavu’ot and of our Pentecost which proclaim the fullness of our respective paschal

celebrations. May these feasts see us united in praying David’s paschal

Hallel.”

(

L’Osservatore Romano, June 2, 2004, p. 7.)
RomanCandle
Let us not forget that Saint Paul’s conversion was
assisted by him falling to the ground in the
glorious presence of the Lord Jesus.
Ben Martin
tbswv--this is why the Jews culpability is so high and so serious---the Chosen People, reject their own Savior and words of their own people and God!!
Jesus Christ or Messiah is so clearly proclaimed and described in both New and Old---you would have to willfully reject God's teachings to think otherwise.More
tbswv--this is why the Jews culpability is so high and so serious---the Chosen People, reject their own Savior and words of their own people and God!!

Jesus Christ or Messiah is so clearly proclaimed and described in both New and Old---you would have to willfully reject God's teachings to think otherwise.
tbswv
Any intellectually honest person studying the New Testament would come to the conclusion that Christ was the personification of the new law which superceded the old law. St Paul understood this having been trained in the old tradition as a Pharisee. The Jews in their pride and self-rightousness rejected Christ since they viewed Him as a threat to their positions. If these "biblical" scholars were …More
Any intellectually honest person studying the New Testament would come to the conclusion that Christ was the personification of the new law which superceded the old law. St Paul understood this having been trained in the old tradition as a Pharisee. The Jews in their pride and self-rightousness rejected Christ since they viewed Him as a threat to their positions. If these "biblical" scholars were honest about interpreting the scriptures they would "see" the Christ as foretold by the prophets of the Old Testament.
lukedaniel
All you can do is pray for these non-believing Jews,...and burn their Talmuds that are filled with Hatred for Gentiles and Our Lord and His Holy Mother. If there is any dialogue it will be to the advantage of the Jews.
hobbes
All good comments above... but remember that
Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri revealed the name of the Messiah.(Yeshua/Jesus)
The Holy Spirit can work in the lives of those who oppose Christ and His Church. Always remember, before Christ's return a certain number of Jews will return... wrong word.... embrace Christ.
Read Fr Elias Friedman's Jewish Identity.More
All good comments above... but remember that
Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri revealed the name of the Messiah.(Yeshua/Jesus)

The Holy Spirit can work in the lives of those who oppose Christ and His Church. Always remember, before Christ's return a certain number of Jews will return... wrong word.... embrace Christ.

Read Fr Elias Friedman's Jewish Identity.
,Jaimemn
I'm not sure if this book should be called "Barabbas for Dummies" or "The Gospel According to Caiaphas."
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Wonderful! The blasphemies against Our Lord, His Divine nature, and His salvific mission will be published, with the aid of “Catholic” bishops. Indeed a new milestone has been reached, but one of ignominy.
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They successfully came after our liturgy, then they sucessfully affected our canonization process (Pius XII) …More
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Wonderful! The blasphemies against Our Lord, His Divine nature, and His salvific mission will be published, with the aid of “Catholic” bishops. Indeed a new milestone has been reached, but one of ignominy.

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They successfully came after our liturgy, then they sucessfully affected our canonization process (Pius XII) and now the anti-Christs dare to comment on the New Testatment all aided and abetted by Catholic Bishops?

For what? Ecumenism? Dialogue?

In the "Spirit of Ecumenical Dialgue" Why don't Catholics redact their Talmud..especially those parts that blaspheme ageainst Our Lord and Our Lady!?