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Cardinal Müller: "There Is No Contrast Between Old And New Liturgy"

More than half a century after the introduction of the failed Novus Ordo, Cardinal Gerhard Müller still denies that the substance of the Mass is linked to its form. Müller's key points from a German video interview with Nd-Chretiente.com (September 9), in his formulations, slightly adapted for the writing style.

- There is only one liturgy, the substance of the sacraments as instituted by Christ.

- From the beginning, different Western and Eastern rites have developed in the one Church.

- The Latin rite developed further after the Council of Trent, and the Second Vatican Council did not want a new liturgy. So there is no new or old liturgy [why then the new liturgy was called "Novus Ordo"?].

- Cardinal Ratzinger has said that this liturgical reform came somewhat abruptly, simply by decree.

- It wasn't like that in Germany, where there was the Liturgical Movement with great figures like Romano Guardini and the manual missals in Latin and German that the faithful could read during Mass.

- There were many [vernacular] songs, including those for the Gloria and Credo.

- In Germany, the changes in the liturgy were not as abrupt as perhaps in Italy or France.

- One should not contrast the old and the new liturgy.

- The 'spirituality' that is ultimately associated with the Missal of John XXIII is legitimate.

- One should not create fronts. Rome is too restrictive.

- One should proceed in a conciliatory way, starting from a dogmatic thought, from the substance of the sacraments, and then proceed to the concrete liturgical form.

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DrMaria

Don't sit there and tell us this - we can all see that the novus ordo totally changed the Church! The novus ordo initiated an entirely new religion among Catholics, who trusted the hierarchy and unsuspectingly went along with the novus ordo out of obedience. We also know from the words of Joseph Ratzinger to Dr. Ingo Dollinger that in the 3rd Secret of Fatima Our Lady warned about "an evil Council" and "changes in the liturgy." If these changes in the liturgy were inconsequential, i.e., and there was no contrast between the old and the new liturgy, then why would the Mother of God warn Her children about these changes? Surely you are not calling the Mother of God a liar?!

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Simon North

Please don't give Joseph Ratzinger a pass - not because he was not a kindly and humble man (he was). But for the sake of the truth about what has been done to the Church since 1962 - and for the truth that he played a very large part in the deception. He signed Sodano's false Fatima narrative in 2000 even though he knew it was a mendacious instrument of the leftists within the Vatican (and even though it contradicted his previous remarks about Fatima to Herr Seewald, his biographer). And he essentially called Dr. Dollinger a liar by denying that he ever said what his friend Dollinger revealed. Unless we are truthful with ourselves, no matter how much it hurts, the needed (and eventual) counter-revolution will begin with self-deception.

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DrMaria

agreed!

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Simon North

Careerist and heretic.

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Father Karl A Claver

The 2 rites are NOT the same. The TLM is GOD centered, while the NO is MAN centered. The TLM was constructed over a period of time by the apostles, disciples of Our Lord as well as saints. The NO was made by masons and Protestants.

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Simon North

Father: Ignore Mueller and his ilk. They are irrelevant. We go forward with the banner of St. Pius X: Restore all things in Christ!

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LiveJohn

The ship is sinking while the crew are asleep.

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All Saints

Stop lying, Gerhard.

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Scapular

Could we perhaps contrast the fruits, after all this is the bottom line!

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LiveJohn

It may also be a matter of obedience to the one who appointed him to the rank of cardinal.

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