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Vatican II Church: Hundreds of Baptisms Invalid!

Phoenix Diocese, Arizona, announced that baptisms performed by Eudist Father Andres Arango who later became a Phoenix diocesan priest, were all invalid.

When baptising in English and Spanish, Arango was using the formula, “We baptise you in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

The diocese explains that it is not “the community” (“we”) that baptises but Christ alone ("I") who “presides” [a wrong term implying that “the community” nevertheless participates] at all sacraments. It is notifying everybody who was unsuccessfully baptised by Arango.

Arango has been in the US since 2001. He resigned his position as pastor of St. Gregory in Phoenix on February 1, remains a priest in good standing, and will dedicate his full-time ministry in helping those he invalidly baptised. Had he criticised the Covid regime or celebrated a Roman Mass, he would have been suspended.

Given the underground-level training, sloppiness and indifference that are the rule in the Council Church, it is not surprising that Novus Ordo priests are not even able to perform a baptism correctly.

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John A Cassani

This is awful, and idiotic on the priest’s part. But, what of the fact that Protestant baptisms are so readily accepted, and without conditional baptism. Surely, this is an even bigger problem there. I personally witnessed (sadly) a “baptism” at a non-denominational “church” where not only was the “we” formula used, but, the person was immersed by their sponsor, rather than by the minister who was saying the (invalid) formula. This also destroys validity, just as, at the Easter Vigil, a priest’s confirmation of a neophyte is only valid if he, personally, administered the baptism (presuming he has not been granted habitual faculties to confirm). I can only imagine that this is widespread, and that a non-trivial percentage of converts from Protestantism are receiving invalid confirmation and absolution, because their invalid baptism was accepted.

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Hound of Heaven

It's all in the formation. We are increasingly seeing how poor seminarians and priests are 'trained' in too many places. GIGO

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P. O'B

In Denver some thirty years ago, or more, there was a Baptism ceremony in which the priest said the words while the fathers of the children poured the water. Invalid, said the Archdiocese, and it corrected the situation.
I wonder if the Phoenix Diocese is correct -- happy they are correcting things, anyway. In the Eastern Rite, the formula used is "The servant of God is baptized." Passive voice, and it's fine with Rome.

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Jan Kanty Lipski

Chrzest - Tradycja i Wiara

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Ultraviolet

Up above... Father's face when someone calls him a "Eudist". :D

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