Vatican Document against Holy Mass Was Drafted By A Small Circle
Employees of the Roman Curia are hearing the same information about a document intended to crack down on Mass in the Roman Rite, but none of those contacted by PillarCatholic.com (26 June) has seen the text.
The information about the anti-Mass manifesto comes from a single official in the Dicastery for Divine Worship, led by Cardinal Roche. It is common practice in the Vatican to leak scandalous information in order to lessen the impact of the scandal when it breaks.
Curial officials are said to be "paying attention to American Catholic media of all kinds" because they fear [= know] that the document will provoke a backlash.
One official said the new measures were not aimed at total annihilation, which he called "practically unworkable", but rather a kind of "quarantine". Catholics would be forced into "reservations" [FSSP, ICRSS].
PillarCatholic.com adds that Cardinal Roche is "frustrated" with the implementation of 'Traditionis Custodes' and 'Desiderio desideravi'.
A third manifesto would admit the fact that Traditionis custodes is not working "as planned" and, despite several rounds of revisions by Roche's dicastery, is "essentially not fit for purpose".
Here is one link regarding the truth of the testimony of Dr. Dollinger and his conversation with Pope Benedict XVI on the real contents of the 3rd Secret of Fatima - A Further Confirmation of Father Dollinger’s Claim about Cardinal Ratzinger and Fatima Others can be found in the archive of articles that Dr. Hickson has written for One Peter Five. Here is the link to the archive of her articles: Author: Maike Hickson There are actually quite a few articles in the archive on the real 3rd Secret of Fatima - in addition to those having to do with Dr. Dollinger.
Ok. I have read the link you sent and see where the confusion - on my part- arises. I thought you were claiming that she had verified the report with Ratzinger himself: "...she has verified this conversation between Dr. Dollinger and Pope Benedict also...". There should be a comma after Benedict. Now that we have that clarified, I have a few questions: Where is the original report of Dollinger's where he is supposed have said what Fr. Kramer claims he said about the Popes? And, is it wise for a Catholic to believe every report they hear that contradicts the Vatican's official communique?
Pray for our Priests! It's not just the laity these "men" hold in contempt but also the priests, and the authority of the Bishops. In short the "men" behind any document restricting the TLM persecute the Catholic Faith and those that love it. Pray for our priests!
In a 21 May 2016 Press Communique from the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI verified that he had “never ... spoken with Professor Dollinger about Fatima” and, secondly, that “the publication of the Third Secret is complete.” Why then, Dr. Maria, are you quoting us Fr. Kramer? What is his background? Where did he come from? All I know of him is that he is a revolutionary who never answers a direct question, disdainfully insults anyone with a different opinion, claims crazy stuff such a fake Lucia, actively encourages disobedience to lawful authority, and never, ever smiles. As for his following bizarre claim: "The Secret, according to Döllinger, also speaks negatively about the Conciliar popes, according to what Ratzinger told Döllinger -- comparing one pope to a chameleon, another to a serpent, etc." The story just grows in the telling! And we ONLY have Fr. Kramer's word for it all.
Check out Maike Hickson's articles on this - she has verfied this conversation between Dr. Dollinger and Pope Benedict also - she even went back to Dr. Dollinger after the so-called Vatican denial to get his reaction. There is quite a string of articles about this by Maike on One Peter Five.
As a Catholic, when it does not go against my faith, I am obliged, in duty, to listen to Rome. And I have no idea who this Maike Hickson is or her credentials. That said, because I made the statement "..we only have Fr. Kramer's word for it" I will take a look. Would it be possible to send me a direct link?
Carol, you should get to know Dr. Maike Hickson -- she is a well respected international Catholic journalist. Here is one link regarding the testimony of Dr. Dollinger - A Further Confirmation of Father Dollinger’s Claim about Cardinal Ratzinger and Fatima You can find others in the archive of articles that Dr. Hickson has written for One Peter Five. Here is the link to the archive of her articles. It's good to do our own research so we are not out of touch with what has really been happening: Author: Maike Hickson There are actually quite a few articles in the archive on the real 3rd Secret of Fatima - in addition to those having to do with Dr. Dollinger. Blessings to you - in Our Lady of Fatima
@Carol H Ratzinger lied about the 2000 release of the so-called "complete" Third Secret. Simply compare what he told his biographer (Sewald) about what the Third Secret contained years before the 2000 faux Third Secret and what the so-called "complete" Third Secret of the 2000 release didn't say.
@Carol H I told you where to find it. Do less shooting off your mouth and do more intellectually heavy lifting. The entire point of the Dollinger contretemps above is that Dollinger was saying that Ratzinger didn't tell the truth. There - does that make you FEEL better?
The entire point then, sir, rests on Cardinal Ratzinger's word against Dr. Dollinger's. Given the historical background to the third (part of the) secret - which includes Sr. Lucia's memoirs and testimonies - and the fact that the Vatican's version ties in beautifully with parts one and two, then, intellectually and logically, Cardinal Ratizinger was telling the truth. Yet, you claim different and refuse to link directly to this claim. The onus is on you to provide solid evidence - especially as you are accusing one of our Popes of being a deceiver and a liar. There is every possibility that Dr. Dollinger misunderstood Cardinal Ratzinger. DrMaria, who posts on this site, shared a link which told a story about Dr. Dollinger seeing smoke rise up in a room in the Vatican and concluding it was a sign of evil visibly present. If you are that quick to read into things, it is quite possible he read too much into Cardinal Ratzinger's words at the time.
@Carol H You said: ". . .the fact that the Vatican's version ties in beautifully with parts one and two, then, intellectuallyand logically, Cardinal Ratizinger was telling the truth." Seewald reports Ratzinger saying much more than what appeared in the 2000 release of the so-called Third Secret. What he told Seewald (and which he approved) did NOT appear in the 2000 release. Ergo: his denial of Dollinger's testimony is placed in doubt because of the Sewald omissions. Therefore, your appeal to logic seems a tad deficient.
The attempt to suppress the Roman Rite TLM and leave the Church only with the Bugnini liturgy is pure evil - Our Lady warned about this in the true contents of the 3rd Secret of Fatima, which have yet to be officially released. STATEMENT FROM FATHER PAUL KRAMER Regarding the Recent Confirmation by Fr. Ingo Döllinger << Third Secret of Fatima Still Mainly Concealed; Warns Against an Evil Council and Changes in the Liturgy >> “Fr. Ingo Döllinger is a several decades long close personal friend of Pope Benedict XVI. Cardinal Ratzinger told Dr. Döllinger around 1991 that the 3rd Secret speaks of an ‘evil council,’ and warned against changing and adulterating the liturgy of the Mass -- literally against adding extraneous elements into the liturgy (which is exactly what Bugnini & Co. did by adding Protestant elements into the liturgy). “The Secret, according to Döllinger, also speaks negatively about the Conciliar popes, according to what Ratzinger told Döllinger -- comparing one pope to a chameleon, another to a serpent, etc. “Dr. Döllinger spoke not only to me and Joseph Cain on what Ratzinger had told him, but he related even more details to the young clerics in the seminary of Anapolis (Brazil), where he had been rector. I myself and Joseph have spoken not only with Döllinger, but also with the priests and deacons in Brazil who had heard Dr. Döllinger relate to them the details of the Secret that had been told to him personally by Cardinal Ratzinger around 1991. “After the publication of the ‘bishop in white’ vision of the 3rd Secret, Döllinger noticed that the details of the Secret that Ratzinger had revealed to him nearly a decade earlier were not in the ‘bishop in white’ version of the secret. When Döllinger had his next opportunity to meet with Cardinal Ratzinger (after a concelebrated Mass), Döllinger asked Ratzinger how it can be said that the whole Secret has been published, since the details of the Secret earlier mentioned to him by Ratzinger were conspicuously absent from the version of the Secret published by Ratzinger on 26 June 2000. Ratzinger was cornered, and therefore blurted out, ‘Wirklich giebt es da noch etwas.’ (‘Really there is more there.’) Dr. Döllinger also told Joseph and me that he had personally known (St.) Pio of Pietrelcina, and that he had made his confession to Padre Pio fifty-eight times.” Fr. Paul Kramer
Bugnini, (now facing his eternal reward) and many others are Freemasons; Freemasons have vowed to destroy the Catholic Church. Belonging to the Freemasons is an offense for which one is excommunicated. Our Church is being led by Freemasons!
So you speculate. Thankfully Church Law does not judge upon speculation but hard facts. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps the Freemasons are playing you?