Captatio benevolentiae

When St. Paul Apostle he arrives at the Areopagus delivered himself of a justly celebrated speech. In accord with the old rhetorical device of captatio benevolentiae (capturing the goodwill of one’s audience), compliments the Athenians on their spirituality:

So Paul stood before the whole council of the Areopagus and made this speech: 'Men of Athens, I have seen for myself how extremely scrupulous you are in all religious imatter, because, as I strolled round looking at your sacred monuments, I noticed among other things an altar inscribed: To An Unknown God (Acts of Apostles 17, 22-23; www.catholic.org/bible/book.php)

Saint John Paul II did the same (captatio benevolentiae). There is no internal act of idolatry when it is not conscious and intentional.

St. Paul quoted a pagan hymn of Kleantes (pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleantes)to Zeus (Acts 17:28; look at the comment: biblia.deon.pl/rozdzial.php) because pagans cannot be evangelized by insulting them (it has the opposite effect).

... since it is in him that we live, and move, and exist, as indeed some of your own writers have said: We are all his children (Acts of Apostles 17, 28; www.catholic.org/bible/book.php).

We are all his children - This is the text from the hymn of Kleantes to Zeus and from the poem of Aratos of Soloi in Cilicia (look at the comment: biblia.deon.pl/rozdzial.php; and: pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleantes)

Saint John Paul II did the same (captatio benevolentiae). There is no internal act of idolatry when it is not conscious and intentional.

It is completely different to introduce an image of an idol (Pachamama) to the temple and take part in a pagan ceremony - this is idolatry.

Captatio benevolentiae - from Latin: winning favor, winning friendliness (rhetoric used since ancient times).

It is also worth reading:

Pius X claimed that muslims believe in the true God (similar to Pius XI and Pius XII)

The graphics come from the web sit: biblia.wiara.pl/doc/422638.Sw-Pawel…

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W obronie Tradycji Kościoła links to this post6 years ago

mattsixteen246 years ago

@W obronie Tradycji Kościoła What counterfeit bible are you reading from? This is what St. Paul says:
[22] Ye men of Athens, in al things I perceive you as it were superstitious. [23] For passing by and seeing your Idols, I found an altar also where upon was written: To the unknowen God. That therefore which you worship, not knowing it, the same doe I preach to you. [24] The God that made the world and al things that are in it, he being the Lord of Heaven & earth dwelleth not in Temples made with hand, [25] neither is he served with mens hands, needing any thing, whereas himself giveth life unto al, and breathing, and al things : [26] and he made of one, al mankind, to inhabite upon the whole face of the earth, assigning set times, and the limits of their habitation, [27] for to seeke God, if happily they may feele or find him ; although he be not farre from everyone of us : [28] For in him we live and move and be, as certain also of your own Poetes said, For of his kind also we are. [29] Being therefore of Gods kind, we may not suppose, the Divinitie to be like unto gold or silver, or stone, the graving of art and devise of man. [30] And the times truly of this ignorance whereas God dispised, now he denounceth unto men that al every where doe penance, [31] for that he hath appointed a day wherein he wil judge the world in equitie, by a man whom he hath appointed, giving al men faith, raising him up from the death. [Acts of the Apostles Chapter 17, Rhemes 1582]

W obronie Tradycji Kościoła6 years ago

Look at the comment: biblia.deon.pl/rozdzial.php

mattsixteen246 years ago

Yes, you said this already. This post insinuates that what JPII did is no different than what St. Paul did. This is false. There's a massive difference between participating in pagan rituals versus making a reference to their poem in a speech to evangelize them. The Bible verses you posted come from a counterfeit bible that make it sound like St. Paul speaks highly of pagans. As if he was speaking like a modernist!!
Correct Bible : "22] Ye men of Athens, in al things I perceive you as it were superstitious."
Garbage counterfeit : "People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious."

HerzMariae6 years ago

So it it was also fine to introduce Pachamama in St Peter's by Francis at the Pachamama Synod.

W obronie Tradycji Kościoła6 years ago

It is completely different to introduce an image of an idol (Pachamama) to the temple and take part in a pagan ceremony - this is idolatry

HerzMariae6 years ago

We do not name a devil (Pachamama) in any positive sense. Not Zeus and not Pachamama.