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Gloria.TV News on the17th of August 2016 Poison for the Faith? On Thursday, Pope Francis spoke to an ecumenical delegation from Germany and claimed that – quote - "it is not lawful to convince others …More
Gloria.TV News on the17th of August 2016

Poison for the Faith? On Thursday, Pope Francis spoke to an ecumenical delegation from Germany and claimed that – quote - "it is not lawful to convince others of one’s own faith." Francis spoke about "proselytism" and called it a "poison" against ecumenism.

Radical Ultramontanism: Cardinal-designate Kevin Farrell and head of the Vatican’s dicastery for laypeople has said he considers the controversial document Amoris Laetitia inspired by the Holy Spirit and plans to make it his department's guiding document. Quote: “I think it's very important that we all understand that this is the Holy Spirit speaking."

Politics: 68-year-old Venezuelan Father Arturo Sosa Abascal has been chosen as the new head of the Jesuits. He has a doctorate in political science. Sosa’s election shows that the Jesuits want to continue with their emphasis on social justice rather then on religion, a direction that has engulfed the order in a permanent crisis.

Cursory Meeting: Pope Francis briefly greeted the Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X, Bishop Bernard Fellay, at the Holy Father's Santa Marta residence on Thursday. The cursory meeting took place during a visit Fellay was making to Cardinal Müller, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. A spokesman for the SSPX told the National Register that, “nothing really new, no real developments” came from Thursday’s meetings.
Lionel L. Andrades
CARDINAL FARRELL REFERS TO THE FUNDAMENTALISTS.
Vatican Council II is fundamentalist if you stay clear of the Kasper-Lefebvre theology.
Vatican Council II is fundamentalist if you stay clear of the Kasper-Lefebvre theology.
La Stampa/Vatican Insider is calling all those who do not accept Vatican Council II with Cushingite theology, as being fundamentalists.
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While La Stampa is not aware that …More
CARDINAL FARRELL REFERS TO THE FUNDAMENTALISTS.
Vatican Council II is fundamentalist if you stay clear of the Kasper-Lefebvre theology.

Vatican Council II is fundamentalist if you stay clear of the Kasper-Lefebvre theology.
La Stampa/Vatican Insider is calling all those who do not accept Vatican Council II with Cushingite theology, as being fundamentalists.
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While La Stampa is not aware that Vatican Council II can be interpreted with the Feeneyite theology and the Council itself would be 'fundamentalist'.
Only those Catholics who avoid the Kasper-Lefebvre theology can see through the error.
It is only with the Ratzinger-Kasper-Lefebvrist theology that they can make the distinction between liberals and conservatives,sedevacantists and progressivists.
Eliminate this theology and Vatican Council II changes. It reverts to being a traditional Council and this would be 'fundamentalist' for the Left.
-Lionel Andrades

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Saturday, May 14, 2016
The de fide teachings on morals was changed by Pope Francis. It is a doctrinal change approved by Card. Muller. Change in moral doctrine is opposed by some conservatives : change in salvation doctrine is approved by all
There was a campaign for many years by the Masons ( secret societies) to have the Eucharist given to the married and divorced. In Italy they even had public …More
Saturday, May 14, 2016

The de fide teachings on morals was changed by Pope Francis. It is a doctrinal change approved by Card. Muller. Change in moral doctrine is opposed by some conservatives : change in salvation doctrine is approved by all

There was a campaign for many years by the Masons ( secret societies) to have the Eucharist given to the married and divorced. In Italy they even had public demonstrations. Satan knows this was important.Similarly there was a campaign over centuries to consider 'the desire for baptism by a catechuman who dies before receiving it', also to be a baptism like the baptism of water.
Pope and saints with goodwill responded to this campaign.They said that a person could be saved with this desire, in a hypothetical case.

The campaign had its big success when the Baltimore Catechism first referred to a 'baptism of desire'.Then in 1949 Boston it was assumed that the baptism of desire referred to a known case, explicit like the baptism of water.So it became a practical exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The dogma was practically and theoretically eliminated There was a new doctrine on salvation.
CONSERVATIVES APPROVE NEW DOCTRINE
Conservative Catholics, approved this new doctrine.Until today they oppose giving the Eucharist to the married and divorced but they also affirm that not every ione in 2016 needs to be a formal member of the Church for salvation.
The mistake of assuming a hypothetical baptism of desire was practically known is now part of the text of Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14 etc) and the Prefect of the Congregation of the Faith Cardinal Muller approves this.He was always a liberal like the two popes.

All this was clear for Cardinal Kasper,who before the initial Synod on the Family said if ecclesiology can be changed( it was changed on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church) then why not can there be a change on giving the Eucharist to the married and divorced.

Pope Benedict always agreed with the liberals ( Masons) on this point.So he said in the Avvenire interview, that Vatican Council II has caused a 'development' ( rejection) of the dogma EENS according to the 16th century missionaries ( and Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Centers).NO ONE PROTESTED OR REASONED THIS OUT IN PUBLIC.
Even over the years too, when Wikipedia stated that LG 16 is an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS there never was a contradiction from the CDF. The Masons would object.
Pope Benedict, Cardinal Muller and Archbishop D i Noia among others at the CDF assured the Jewish Left rabbis there would be nothing in an agreement with the SSPX ( which was about to be recognised) to hamper Catholic Jewish (Left) relations.They were affirming politics instead of Catholic doctrine.

MULLER DOCTRINAL ERROR
Cardinal Muller who has issued a statement praising Amoris Laeitia (CNA/EWTN News report ) .1 He had always accepted that there were 'practical exceptions' to the traditional teaching on salvation.Now he has approved the 'practical exceptions' to the teachings on morals and has accepted a new moral theology.
Pastorally we cannot say that a particular person living in mortal sin will not go to Hell if he dies immediately. We humans cannot know. Pastorally we cannot say that a particular non Catholic will not go to Hell if he dies immediately. There is no way of knowing exceptions to mortal sin or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
APPROVES MARRIAGES BEING ANNULLED.
Similarly pastorally how can we say that a marriage should be annulled , since it was not a marriage in the first place? Yet Cardinal Muller approves of marriage annulments based on the new moral theology.

As for the “integration” of those who are divorced-and-remarried, Cardinal Müller said it is “essential that the word of God be proclaimed in the process … thus these baptized persons will shed light, little by little, on this second union that they have begun and in which they live.”

This could include the possibility of reviewing the nullity of their sacramental marriage, he said, and a possible “assumption of certain public ecclesial offices.” 2
How can we pastorally give a dispensation in an inter faith marriage as if we know of a case of salvation outside the Church and so the couple are not living in mortal sin? The liberal CDF has not objection.
A priest in the Confessional can grant absolution to a person in mortal sin but pastorally he cannot say that a person living in mortal sin has Sanctifying Grace.This would only be known to God.This is the point that Bishop Athanasius Schneider also seems to miss in his interpretation of Vatican Council II and in his comment on Amoris Leitizia(AL).He is affirming the liberal theology of Cardinal Muller and the two popes.
AL is based on their being known exceptions to the traditional teaching on mortal sin.This is the present mortal theology in Catholic universities and seminaries which is approved by Cardinal Muller.Subjectivism is official.

Father Matthias Gaudron, priest of the Society of St. Pius X, comments on the subjectivism of the post-synodal Apostolic Exhortation Amoris Laetitia released on April 8, 2016.
It is true that Catholic doctrine about marriage and all previous norms continue to remain in force, and therefore persons living in concubinage or with a civil union only are by the very fact forbidden to receive absolution or Holy Communion. But…there are exceptions!- Father Matthias Gaudron SSPX 3
Questioning Catholic Morality
We must, says the Pope, “avoid judgments which do not take into account the complexity of various situations” (¶304). General norms are of course very good, “but in their formulation they cannot provide absolutely for all particular situations.” That may be true of most human norms, but not of divine laws which decree that the conjugal act is permitted only to a man and a woman validly married, and that a consummated sacramental marriage cannot be dissolved by any authority on earth — not even by the Pope.These laws admit of no exceptions and are valid independent of any particular circumstance.- Father Matthias Gaudron
For Bishop Schneider too there are known exceptions to the traditional theology on morals and faith( salvation). He has accepted the new theology. The result is a new ecclesiology.His interpretation of Vatican Council II is based on known exceptions ( LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc.) to the dogma EENS.With the new ecclesiology he interprets Vatican Council II and finds it wanting.
Father Matthias Gaudron states:
These laws admit of no exceptions and are valid independent of any particular circumstance. The morality of an action is in part objective and thus does not depend merely on circumstances or the intention of the agent. Killing an innocent person, abusing a child, and calumniating someone are always and in every case wrong, and hence they cannot become morally good actions even if done with the best of intentions.
Bishop Schneider approves of 'known exceptions', 'subjectivism as objectivism' and 'situation ethics' as theories. He also believes they can be recognized and implemented in real life.This is magisterial according to the CDF.
There was no clear comment from the CDF Prefect on what Fr.Matthias Guadron says here.
If out of ignorance and having an erroneous conscience, a man thinks it is permissible to kill an innocent person in order to save another, or that it is permissible to calumniate an adversary in the interest of a worthy cause, subjectively he may perhaps not be guilty of the sin, but his action remains objectively evil.
So Vatican Council II's Lumen Gentium 16 would not only be hypothetical for him but also practically known in personal cases.So he would support Pope Benedict on EENS being a break with the 16th century Catholic Church.
AL(301) would not refer to theoretical moral possibilities but actual cases in which a judgment and exception can be made. This would be normal.
The liberals and Masons mix up what is unknown as being known. Then they create exceptions to the traditional teachings on faith and morals. Over time, the exceptions become the norm in the Catholic Church.

Pope Francis contradicts Veritatis Splendor.Amoris Laetitia was a break with Pope John Paul II. Even Fr. Matthias Gaudron notices it.

This has nothing at all to do with “thinking that everything is black and white” (¶305). One can very well sympathize with a woman driven into a new relationship because of the infidelity or callousness of her husband. In such a case one may admit that the guilt is lessened, but adultery is still an inherently evil act.
Annulments and dispensations have been mass produced to attack the family. AL too mixes up what is unknown as being known to create more sacrilege.Remember the Kennedy annulments.
Unknown cases in Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc. ) are presented as known and so the Council becomes a break with the dogma EENS. Since they are 'known' it is assumed there is salvation outside the Church. Since there is salvation outside the Church non Catholics are allowed to marry Catholics and it is not considered being in adultery. This is another attack on the family.The non Catholic spouse is assumed to be saved outside the Church. This is a magisterium-approved attack on the family but this is the reasoning that Bishop Schneider also uses to interpret Vatican Council II and Church documents.
It is the norm for him as in the rest of the Church, to mix up what is unknown as being known.
Why doesn't Bishop Schneider clearly say that there are no known exceptions to EENS in Vatican Council II? Subjective cases cannot be objective. We cannot know of anyone for example saved in imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3) or 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8).So UR 3 and LG 8 are irrelevant to traditional Catholic exclusivist ecclesiology. Why does he still interpret Vatican Council II like the Neo Catechumenale Way, Charismatic Renewal and the liberal Left?
Why does he not say that we can never know when a Catholic sacramental marriage was invalid at the outset? This is Protestantism.
How can the priest know when a divorced and remarried has Sanctifying Grace even though they are in mortal sin.? Why do ecclesiastics assume all this is possible? How does the bishop or a priest have the right to grant an annulment or dispensation, break a family and permit new marriages and possibilities for receiving the Eucharist without it being considered sacrilegious?.
How does a cardinal or bishop have the right to regularize an irregular (mortal sin) relationship by breaking a marriage? How can they break marriages or validate adulterous and heretical ones based on a rejection of the faith ( EENS) and moral( mortal sin/sacrilege) teachings of the Catholic Church? These are points which were not covered by Cardinal Muller (Oviedo, Spain, May 12, 2016,CNA/EWTN News).
He was not affirming the traditional de fide teachings on faith and morals but instead pleasing the Masons and the rest of the Jewish Left.
The de fide teachings on morals was changed by Pope Francis. It is a doctrinal change.
But now Pope Francis maintains that “it can no longer simply be said that all those in any ‘irregular’ situation are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace,” and that this is so not only through ignorance of the divine law, but also on account of the “great difficulty in understanding its [the rule’s] ‘inherent values.’” Someone could even “be in a concrete situation which does not allow him or her to act differently and decide otherwise without further sin” (¶301). Thus the Pope is declaring officially the possibility that someone in an objectively sinful relationship must remain in it so as not to commit yet another sin.- Father Matthias Gaudron
-Lionel Andrades
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Cardinal Gerhard Muller assumes there are practical exceptions to the Church's traditional teachings on morals and faith : overlooks this error in Amoris Laetitia
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Amoris Laetitia:a Triumph of Subjectivism - Father Matthias Gaudron SSPX
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How easily annulments and dispensations are given and now Amoris Laetitia offers another Church-approved means to strike at the family
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4 more comments from Lionel L. Andrades
Lionel L. Andrades
Pope Francis' exhortation Amoris Laeitia is based upon this irrationality and innovation in Catholic morals. how can this be the teaching of the Holy Spirit.?
"May our way of communicating help to overcome the mind-set that neatly separates sinners from the righteous," he said. "We can and we must judge situations of sin – such as violence, corruption and exploitation – but we may not judge …More
Pope Francis' exhortation Amoris Laeitia is based upon this irrationality and innovation in Catholic morals. how can this be the teaching of the Holy Spirit.?

"May our way of communicating help to overcome the mind-set that neatly separates sinners from the righteous," he said. "We can and we must judge situations of sin – such as violence, corruption and exploitation – but we may not judge individuals, since only God can see into the depths of their hearts." -Fr.Thomas Rosica
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Lionel:
but we may not judge individuals, since only God can see into the depths of their hearts
This is contrary to Pope John Paul's moral encyclical Veritatis Splendor which says we can judge a mortal sin and the outward action indicates the subjective state.
It also states that some sins are intrinsically evil.
Veritatis Spendor is critical of the Fundamental Option Theory of Fr. Bernard Haring and Fr.Charles Curran which states that even though a person may be in objective mortal sin, we cannot judge him, since subjectively he may be choosing an option for the good.In other words Harding and Curran could judge these hypothetical cases. Then based upon this theoretical case, they created a new rule in mortal theology which said others could not judge .They also did away with the traditional concept of mortal sin.This cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit.
This is the moral theology, with numerous 'permutations, probailities and possibilities', which is taught at pontifical universities.Pope Francis' exhortation Amoris Laeitia is based upon this irrationality and innovation in Catholic morals.It contradicts the traditional moral theology which is the work of the Holy Spirit.

-Lionel Andrades
Lionel L. Andrades
Archbishop Augustine Di Noia says the Holy Spirit preserves the Church from error including the interpretation of Vatican Council II- we now know there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II, which one is guided by the Holy Spirit ?
Archbishop Augustine Di Noia says that the Holy Spirit preserves the Church from errors including the interpretation of Vatican Council II.We now know that there …More
Archbishop Augustine Di Noia says the Holy Spirit preserves the Church from error including the interpretation of Vatican Council II- we now know there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II, which one is guided by the Holy Spirit ?
Archbishop Augustine Di Noia says that the Holy Spirit preserves the Church from errors including the interpretation of Vatican Council II.We now know that there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II. Which one for him is guided by the Holy Spirit ?
Is the Holy Spirit saying that LG 8 and LG 16 are known exceptions to AG 7 and the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
Can the Holy Spirit make a mistake and assume that LG 16 and 8 are explicit and not implicit, they are explicitly known to God and to us for them to be exceptions?
Does the Holy Spirit in Ad Gentes 7 say that all Jews need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation ? Does this not negate what he has implied in the La Stampa interview about Jews not having to convert? Is this not a contradiction ?
The Church’s deep commitment to reconciliation with the Jewish People is personified today by Benedict XVI says Archbishop Di Noia.
Does this reconciliation mean Jews do not have to convert in the present times ? Is this Vatcian Council II and the teaching of the Holy Spirit ?

Can the Holy Spirit teach before Vatican Council II that Jews need to convert to avoid Hell and then change this teaching after Vatican Council 2 ? Where is the text in Vatican Council II for this claim?

Pope John Paul II gave us the Catechism of the Catholic Chruch which says all need to enter the Church as through a door (N.846). This would also include Jews. Dominus Iesus 20 has the same message. Pope John Paul II in Ecclesia di Eucarestia gave us an ecclesiology of outside the church there is no salvation. Redemptoris Missio 55 says that in inter religious dialogue it must be remembered that the Church is the ordinary means of salvation. So how can those claims be made today by the Archbishop, in the name of Pope John Paul II ?
-Lionel Andrades
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The SSPX doesn’t spare criticism of the Ecumenical Council.
“One cannot state, as they do, that the Ecumenical Council was ‘full of errors’ because this means denying that the Holy Spirit preserves the Church from errors. They must realize that the full communion they are striving for means accepting the truth that the Church cannot be led into error. Through the Holy Father, we hear the voice of Peter, and we know that Peter has spoken to unite the Church. They believe the Council watered down the Church’s mission to non-Catholics. But this is not true. Vatican II documents do not deny the necessity for evangelization.”
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Lionel L. Andrades
THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES THE CHURCH TO NOT TEACH ERRORS: THE MAGISTERIUM IS PUBLICLY TEACHING ERRORS.
Error # 1
The popes, cardinals and bishops are quoted in the media saying Jews do not have to convert in the present times.
The Bible says Jews need to convert.
This is also a contradiction of Vatican Council II (AG 7).
So there cannot be 'a theology of religions' and an 'ecclesiology of communion'…More
THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES THE CHURCH TO NOT TEACH ERRORS: THE MAGISTERIUM IS PUBLICLY TEACHING ERRORS.
Error # 1

The popes, cardinals and bishops are quoted in the media saying Jews do not have to convert in the present times.

The Bible says Jews need to convert.
This is also a contradiction of Vatican Council II (AG 7).

So there cannot be 'a theology of religions' and an 'ecclesiology of communion' when Vatican Council II (AG 7) says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.This is the teaching of the Holy Sprit before and after Vatican Council II guided by the Holy Spirit.
Error # 2
The rejection of a defined dogma on exclusive salvation is a grave sin. The Church has always taught inspired by the Holy Spirit that it is a mortal sin.

The Magisterium today rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with alleged known cases of persons saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16).They are supposed to be exceptions to the dogma.

How can the Holy Spirit teach that we can know these cases in Heaven, while we are on earth? How can we telephone or meet non Catholics saved with implicit desire, ‘elements of sanctification’ (LG 8) etc? How can theh Holy Spirit teach this non traditional and irrational teaching?

I am a Catholic and I accept Vatican Council II and also like the SSPX (of which I am not a member) reject the Muller-Koch-Ladaria version of Vatican Council II which has an objective error and so cannot be guided by the Holy Spirit.-Lionel Andrades
Lionel L. Andrades
How can the Holy Spirit teach error,Pope Francis ?
Pope Francis said that the Second Vatican Council “was a beautiful work of the Holy Spirit,” according to a Vatican Radio report recently.
According to whom?
Did the Holy Spirit teach that Lumen Gentium 16 refers to visible- in- the- flesh cases of persons saved in invincible ignorance ?
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How can the Holy Spirit teach error,Pope Francis ?

Pope Francis said that the Second Vatican Council “was a beautiful work of the Holy Spirit,” according to a Vatican Radio report recently.

According to whom?

Did the Holy Spirit teach that Lumen Gentium 16 refers to visible- in- the- flesh cases of persons saved in invincible ignorance ?
Or did the Holy Spirit mean that there can be persons saved in invincible ignorance and these cases would not be known to us ?

Did the Holy Spirit say that Lumen Gentium 16 is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as is widely reported in the media over so many years ?
Or did the Holy Spirit mean that Lumen Gentium 16 is irrelevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and to Ad Gentes 7 which says all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation ?

According to EWTN,Catholic Culture, Catholic Answers, Catholics United for the Faith, Ecclesia Dei's Vice President, the Vatican Curia, Jesuits and popes including Pope Francis- LG 16 is visible and so is a break with the past.This is irrational.
How can the Holy Spirit teach error?

-Lionel Andrades
Dr Bobus
Farrell: “I think it's very important that we all understand that this is the Holy Spirit speaking."
He seems to be saying that the Holy Spirit misquoted both St Thomas and St JPII.
Beam me up, Scotty. There's no intelligent life down here.More
Farrell: “I think it's very important that we all understand that this is the Holy Spirit speaking."

He seems to be saying that the Holy Spirit misquoted both St Thomas and St JPII.

Beam me up, Scotty. There's no intelligent life down here.
Lionel L. Andrades
LUTHERANS ARE ON THE WAY TO HELL ACCORDING TO VATICAN COUNCIL II
Orthodox Christians are ‘schismatics’ according to Cantate Domino,Council of Florence 1441, which was ex cathedra. They need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell according to the dogma. We may call them ‘true’ churches and ‘sister’ churches but the dogma says they are all oriented to Hell. We are not permitted to …More
LUTHERANS ARE ON THE WAY TO HELL ACCORDING TO VATICAN COUNCIL II

Orthodox Christians are ‘schismatics’ according to Cantate Domino,Council of Florence 1441, which was ex cathedra. They need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell according to the dogma. We may call them ‘true’ churches and ‘sister’ churches but the dogma says they are all oriented to Hell. We are not permitted to receive the Eucharist at their churches. Neither are they permitted to receive the Eucharist at Catholic Churches.There is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441.
Cantate Dominio also refers to the 'heretics'. They were the Protestants.They need to enter formally enter the Church to avoid 'the fires of Hell'.
Similarly Jesus tells St. Faustina Kowalski to pray for 'schismatics and heretics',Orthodox Christians and Protestants.So that they may avoid the fires of Hell.
Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II has the same message. It says all need faith and baptism for salvation. Catholics only give the baptism of water to adults with Catholic Faith. The Orthodox Christians do not have Catholic Faith.

Just as a Catholic in mortal sin is not to receive the Eucharist even though Jesus is still present in the Eucharist an Orthodox Christian is not to receive the Eucharist at a Catholic Church. It is a sin. Cantate Domino indicates Orthodox Christians are in mortal sin (‘schismatics’).De facto they are all on the way to Hell.
This is the official teaching of the Church through the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II, Redemptoris Missio 55, Catechism of the Catholic Church 846, Dominus Iesus 20, Ecclesia di Eucarestia etc.
The Catholic Church is the ordinary means of salvation states Pope John Paul II in Redemptoris Missio 55. The Church is the Mystical Body of Christ (Ad Gentes 7).Jesus saves through the Sacraments, those who respond (Dominus Iesus 20) by entering the Church.There is visible and known extraordinary means of salvation in 2016.

We do not know any case of a non Catholic saved by Jesus and the Church said Father Davide Carbonaro. Vatican Council II affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and does not contradict it.

Father Davide is the former Parish Priest at the Church of Santa Maria in Campitelli in the centre of Rome.

He said those who are saved by Jesus and the Church were known to God only and God could save them in the manner he wished even though they were not visible members of the Catholic Church.

However this would be known to God only so it did not contradict the dogma Cantate Domino's teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

San Giovanni Leonardi the founder of his community, L'Ordine della Madre di Dio, also believed in extra ecclesiam nulla salus said the Parish Priest. He understood the dogma as saying everyone with no exception needs to enter the Church for salvation.

Those who are saved implicitly are known only to God. Hence those saved with the baptism of desire, a good conscience, in imperfect communion with the Church, in invincible ignorance etc are known only to God. So Vatican Council II does not contradict the ex cathedra dogma Cantate Domino which indicates everyone needs to be an explicit member of the Catholic Church, with Catholic Faith and the baptism of water, to go to Heaven.San Giovanni Leonardi was the founder of Propaganda Fide.
Vatican Council II affirms the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.1
Lutherans and other Protestants need Catholic faith, which include the Sacraments and the faith and moral teachings of the Church for salvation.
-Lionel Andrades

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VATICAN COUNCIL II AFFIRMS THE DOGMA

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II (Note: All need the baptism of water for salvation and Catholics only give baptism to adults with Catholic Faith. So Ad Gentes 7 is saying that all people need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.Orthodox Christians and Protestants do not have Catholic Faith).

CATECHISM AFFIRMS DOGMA

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 (Note : ‘which men through Baptism as through a door’ was a term used by the Church Fathers for the rigorist interpretation of outside the church there is no salvation).

CCC 845.To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.-Catechism of the Catholic Church n.845 Catechism of the Catholic Church

DOMINUS IESUS AND THE DOGMA

This doctrine must not be set against the universal salvific will of God (cf. 1 Tim 2:4); “it is necessary to keep these two truths together, namely, the real possibility of salvation in Christ for all mankind and the necessity of the Church for this salvation”.-Dominus Iesus 20 (Note: Salvation is open for all however to receive this salvation they need to enter the Church).L.A
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Ordinary Magisterium

Pope Pelagius II (A.D. 578 – 590): “Consider the fact that whoever has not been in the peace and unity of the Church cannot have the Lord. …Although given over to flames and fires, they burn, or, thrown to wild beasts, they lay down their lives, there will not be (for them) that crown of faith but the punishment of faithlessness. …Such a one can be slain, he cannot be crowned. …[If] slain outside the Church, he cannot attain the rewards of the Church.” (Denzinger 246-247)

Pope Saint Gregory the Great (A.D. 590 – 604): “Now the holy Church universal proclaims that God cannot be truly worshipped saving within herself, asserting that all they that are without her shall never be saved.” (Moralia )

Pope Innocent III (A.D. 1198 – 1216): “With our hearts we believe and with our lips we confess but one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside which we believe that no one is saved.” (Denzinger 423)

Pope Leo XII (A.D. 1823 – 1829): “We profess that there is no salvation outside the Church. …For the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. With reference to those words Augustine says: `If any man be outside the Church he will be excluded from the number of sons, and will not have God for Father since he has not the Church for mother.’” (Encyclical, Ubi Primum )

Pope Gregory XVI (A.D. 1831 – 1846): “It is not possible to worship God truly except in Her; all who are outside Her will not be saved.” (Encyclical, Summo Jugiter )

Pope Pius IX (A.D. 1846 – 1878): “It must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood.” (Denzinger 1647)

Pope Leo XIII (A.D. 1878 – 1903): “This is our last lesson to you; receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God’s commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church.” (Encyclical, Annum Ingressi Sumus )

“He scatters and gathers not who gathers not with the Church and with Jesus Christ, and all who fight not jointly with Him and with the Church are in very truth contending against God.” (Encyclical, Sapientiae Christianae )

Pope Saint Pius X (A.D. 1903 – 1914): “It is our duty to recall to everyone great and small, as the Holy Pontiff Gregory did in ages past, the absolute necessity which is ours, to have recourse to this Church to effect our eternal salvation.” (Encyclical, Jucunda Sane )

Pope Benedict XV (A.D. 1914 – 1922): “Such is the nature of the Catholic faith that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole, or as a whole rejected: This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.” (Encyclical, Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum )

Pope Pius XI (A.D. 1922 – 1939): “The Catholic Church alone is keeping the true worship. This is the font of truth, this is the house of faith, this is the temple of God; if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation….Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ, no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors.” (Encyclical, Mortalium Animos )

Pope Pius XII (A.D. 1939 – 1958): “By divine mandate the interpreter and guardian of the Scriptures, and the depository of Sacred Tradition living within her, the Church alone is the entrance to salvation: She alone, by herself, and under the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, is the source of truth.” (Allocution to the Gregorian, October 17, 1953)

Extraordinary Magisterium

Then, as though to set this constant teaching of the Fathers, Doctors and Popes “in concrete,” so to speak, we have the following definitions from the Solemn Magisterium of the Church:

Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215): “One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful outside which no one at all is saved…”

Pope Boniface VIII in his Papal Bull Unam Sanctam (A.D. 1302): “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence (A.D. 1438 – 1445): “[The most Holy Roman Church] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart `into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Matt. 25:41), unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.” -from the website Catholicism.org
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Per singulos dies benedicimus te
Poison for the Faith? On Thursday, Pope Francis spoke to an ecumenical delegation from Germany and claimed that – quote - "it is not lawful to convince others of one’s own faith." Francis spoke about "proselytism" and called it a "poison" against ecumenism.
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Lord Jesus, come before the anti-pope smash your Church!
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Poison for the Faith? On Thursday, Pope Francis spoke to an ecumenical delegation from Germany and claimed that – quote - "it is not lawful to convince others of one’s own faith." Francis spoke about "proselytism" and called it a "poison" against ecumenism.
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Lord Jesus, come before the anti-pope smash your Church!

Herr Jesus, komm, bevor die Anti-Papst Deine Kirche zu zerschlagen!

Seigneur Jésus, viens avant l'anti-pape casser votre église!
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"this is the Holy Spirit speaking." Le Saint-Esprit parle clairement et ne se contredit pas, ergo......