Vocations in Rome: “There Is Little to Rejoice"
Father Fabio Rosini, Roman by birth, violoncellist, member of the Neocatecumenal Way and Director of Vocations for Rome, paints a gloomy picture (AgenSir.it, 29 April). - The ordination of eleven …More
Father Fabio Rosini, Roman by birth, violoncellist, member of the Neocatecumenal Way and Director of Vocations for Rome, paints a gloomy picture (AgenSir.it, 29 April).
- The ordination of eleven priests on 29 April for a 3M city with 340 parishes is "little to rejoice about".
- Rome has always had few vocations and it has ignored the problem by accepting candidates from outside.
- In Rome not only vocations are lacking, "but the great absentees are Christians in general" which manifests "a sterile Church".
- Not the fish to be caught are lacking, but the Christian waters in which the fish should swim.
- The average parish youth group consists of no more than a dozen young people.
- "We have continued to take the faith for granted, and the consequence is that there are no vocations".
- Rossini's recipe is to change a catechism that is [supposedly] "scholastic" and not "existential". - He calls the family "the real seminaries" and "the Christian educational institution” [but Francis is …More
- The ordination of eleven priests on 29 April for a 3M city with 340 parishes is "little to rejoice about".
- Rome has always had few vocations and it has ignored the problem by accepting candidates from outside.
- In Rome not only vocations are lacking, "but the great absentees are Christians in general" which manifests "a sterile Church".
- Not the fish to be caught are lacking, but the Christian waters in which the fish should swim.
- The average parish youth group consists of no more than a dozen young people.
- "We have continued to take the faith for granted, and the consequence is that there are no vocations".
- Rossini's recipe is to change a catechism that is [supposedly] "scholastic" and not "existential". - He calls the family "the real seminaries" and "the Christian educational institution” [but Francis is …More
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Rome vocations director Fr. Fabio Rosini warns lack of priests is sign of a sterile Church.
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I did alittle research a few years ago for a priest who was writing a book about the complete collapse and disaster in the Catholic Church since Vatican II. It dealt with every aspect of Catholic life and its decline, but I found the sections on world-wide religious life (and in the USA among Orders of male and female religious) fascinating, and overwhelmingly depressing.
In Rome, during the years …More
I did alittle research a few years ago for a priest who was writing a book about the complete collapse and disaster in the Catholic Church since Vatican II. It dealt with every aspect of Catholic life and its decline, but I found the sections on world-wide religious life (and in the USA among Orders of male and female religious) fascinating, and overwhelmingly depressing.
In Rome, during the years of Pope Pius XII, up uuntil 1-2 years after Vatican II, Rome averaged 45-50 diosecean Ordinations a year. In additon, there were 200+ ordinations in the various monasteries and generalates (motherhouses) of male religious who chose to build their headquarters in Rome. There were 8,000+ male religious alone in Rome in the 1950's and early 1960's, aand believe it or not, 40,000 nuns of hundreds of religious Orders in Rome, from the very large, to the extremely small little Italian Orders, some of which had no more that 50-60 sisters, and perhaps 7-8 houses in Italy. There were literally tons of tiny Italian Orders of nuns, some based in one town, and were lucky if they had 3-4 houses. There were also a handful of very small Italian Orders of friars and monks, like the Order of Penitants of St. Jerome, which was a very ancient Order founded in the 1300's and still had 4 houses in Italy right before Vatican II, with 1 house in Rome. The Franciscan "Bigi" friars (grey Franciscans), were a tiny Order of friars based in Italy, but up until the early 1960's even had a small foundation in the USA.
The Penitants of St. Jerome were supressed by the Vatican in 1961 under John XXIII because of small numbers (less than 60), and the "Bigi" Franciscans died out right after Vatican II....like most Orders are doing now.
In Italy, Spain, France, the Netherlands and Germany, literally hundreds of tiny Orders of nuns, many with very noble apostolates, and some dating back to the 13th and 14th centuries, are gone, thanks to Vatican II and the NOvus Ordo. So too, are the very famous Catholic movement of the Beguines, which right up until Vatican II, still had close to 800 members (not really nuns), in several Beguinages in Belgium and the Netherlands. Not bound by solemn or even simplex vows, many Beguines quit after the "reforms" of Vatican II came thru, and vocations dried up.....just as with the Orders. The last Beguine died about 10 years ago.
The PONTIFICAL ROMAN SEMINARY, from which John XXIII came from, always had had over 100-200 seminarians, even up to the time of John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Before Vatican II, they wore beautiful violet cassocks, and another garb over it called a soprana. Both discarded in favor of black clerical shirts and pants in the 1960's...and today only worn when officiating at ceremonies at the VAtican.
Though the big declines BEGAN
In Rome, during the years of Pope Pius XII, up uuntil 1-2 years after Vatican II, Rome averaged 45-50 diosecean Ordinations a year. In additon, there were 200+ ordinations in the various monasteries and generalates (motherhouses) of male religious who chose to build their headquarters in Rome. There were 8,000+ male religious alone in Rome in the 1950's and early 1960's, aand believe it or not, 40,000 nuns of hundreds of religious Orders in Rome, from the very large, to the extremely small little Italian Orders, some of which had no more that 50-60 sisters, and perhaps 7-8 houses in Italy. There were literally tons of tiny Italian Orders of nuns, some based in one town, and were lucky if they had 3-4 houses. There were also a handful of very small Italian Orders of friars and monks, like the Order of Penitants of St. Jerome, which was a very ancient Order founded in the 1300's and still had 4 houses in Italy right before Vatican II, with 1 house in Rome. The Franciscan "Bigi" friars (grey Franciscans), were a tiny Order of friars based in Italy, but up until the early 1960's even had a small foundation in the USA.
The Penitants of St. Jerome were supressed by the Vatican in 1961 under John XXIII because of small numbers (less than 60), and the "Bigi" Franciscans died out right after Vatican II....like most Orders are doing now.
In Italy, Spain, France, the Netherlands and Germany, literally hundreds of tiny Orders of nuns, many with very noble apostolates, and some dating back to the 13th and 14th centuries, are gone, thanks to Vatican II and the NOvus Ordo. So too, are the very famous Catholic movement of the Beguines, which right up until Vatican II, still had close to 800 members (not really nuns), in several Beguinages in Belgium and the Netherlands. Not bound by solemn or even simplex vows, many Beguines quit after the "reforms" of Vatican II came thru, and vocations dried up.....just as with the Orders. The last Beguine died about 10 years ago.
The PONTIFICAL ROMAN SEMINARY, from which John XXIII came from, always had had over 100-200 seminarians, even up to the time of John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Before Vatican II, they wore beautiful violet cassocks, and another garb over it called a soprana. Both discarded in favor of black clerical shirts and pants in the 1960's...and today only worn when officiating at ceremonies at the VAtican.
Though the big declines BEGAN
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(jUST TO FINISH MY SENTENCE 
), Though the big declines started right after the introduction of the NOvus Ordo, in 1969 and worsened all thru the term of Paul VI-John Paul II, there was a slight stabilazation in the late 1990's, and a noticible increase during the entire term of Benedict XVI....only to have an even bigger collapse at the Roman Seminary now with Francis and his homo advisors. …More
(jUST TO FINISH MY SENTENCE ), Though the big declines started right after the introduction of the NOvus Ordo, in 1969 and worsened all thru the term of Paul VI-John Paul II, there was a slight stabilazation in the late 1990's, and a noticible increase during the entire term of Benedict XVI....only to have an even bigger collapse at the Roman Seminary now with Francis and his homo advisors. Francis and his people are intent on making room for homos, LGBTQ radicals, and TRANS. The continuing collapse in the result. Best thing to do.......re-found a traditional "Vatican" and Rome, and let the filth of Francis just die out on its own.
Kenjiro M. Yoshimori
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@P. O'B -Thank you very much. I certainly learned alot doing the "leg-work" research for the priest who wrote a big volumn on the disaster of Vatican II. He didn't write it to make a lot of money...it's a scholarly work that would be interesting only to professors I think, but I took alot of notes which I still have, and learned alot. I wasn't paid by him, and didn't ask for it. He was my former …More
@P. O'B -Thank you very much. I certainly learned alot doing the "leg-work" research for the priest who wrote a big volumn on the disaster of Vatican II. He didn't write it to make a lot of money...it's a scholarly work that would be interesting only to professors I think, but I took alot of notes which I still have, and learned alot. I wasn't paid by him, and didn't ask for it. He was my former Art History teacher. I enjoyed helping him, except when I had to take the train 5-6x to D.C. to research topics that had the biggest reference sources only at CAtholic University. But he was a great priest who instill in me a great love for the traditions of the Church, and for Catholic art, art history, and an appreciation for liturgical beauty (not the trash we have today). I think I am a popular history teacher now, because of this good priest. He died a few years ago from emphysema , but he reached a good age (84) with over 55 years as a priest. Although he said just the Novus Ordo, he confessed to me that he never liked it, and even said that since so many priests just do whatever they want at Mass, that the Novus Ordo can't really be claimed to actually exist...because most don't follow the proper rubrics of it. They do what they want. He was probably right.
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Throw away the Vatican II map, along with all the detours PF and Co have implemented using the VII map as a guide. Get back to the original path; He is The Way.