In the spirit of having culture, I must add, your comment is a shame of ignorance, over the top. There are things like santa muerte in Méjico lindo y querido, tierra de cristeros y machos, by the work of the communist-freemason governement that country has endured for more than 150 years now. Very well funded by gringos in New York, Boston and Washington. This "prelate" is something new and due to Berg the communist-cainite destroyer. El cardenal Rivera, the previous one is a hero of the Faith.... So, thank you for this opportunity, I'm a professor, my life is to educate... And I love the Church, my life is to spread her glories, like the heroica iglesia mejicana; and fighting with her enemies...

This is your notion of "having culture"? This, from a man who brags, "I am a professor, my life is to educate". The "culture" you have is as lacking as your education, Profesor. @eticacasanova

The Santa Muerte cult is a continuation of the ancient Aztec pagan personification and veneration of death. That predates the "the communist-freemason government" by a few thousand years, you imbecile.

Further, if you understand anything about communism, you should know by now communism despises all forms of religion, especially those it can not control. Religion, when it is tolerated at all, is subverted into a tool for the State, as Catholicism is today in China.

Santa Muerte is a blasphemous satantic parody of Marian devotion and highly favored by criminals. The last thing a "communist-freemason government" wants is a source of emotional and "spiritual" strength for the worst members in its society, who flaunt and undermine its functioning.

That is basic political theory, nothing complicated, and you can't even reason it out for yourself. Some "Profesor" you are. How much did your family pay in bribes to get you such a position? :P

Now let us continue our history lesson, Señor Profesor... simply in the spirit of giving you culture and educating you on a subject you obviously know nothing about.

Santa Muerte has been identified -by name- as early as the 1700s as a supernatural character portrayed during the Day Of the Dead festival. The character was threatened with beatings if it did not grant wishes. This parallels similar primitive supersitions that arose independently in other parts of the world, notably China. Printed or figural representations of various gods are "punished" with slaps if fortunes turn against the owner.

Chronologically, again, Santa Muerte was already a very real and identified force within Latin American culture over a hundred years before Karl Marx was even born. So much for your stupid claim that Santa Muerte is "the work of the communist-freemason government".

The iconography for the cult derives heavily from the eerie Calavera drawings of José Guadalupe Posada Aguilar created in the late 1800s early 1900s. Again, the visuals were established BEFORE the Bolsehvik revolution or even the Mexican revolution.

Further, his female skeleton character "La Calavera Catrina" was used predominantly for social satire of his fellow Mexicans, notably those who were affecting European mannerism and culture. Meaning, the artist was mocking the sort of hard-working upwardly mobile Mexicans, the poor and the lazy and the criminal classes despised. They turned their nationalistic pride into a justification for their own failure. Already the roots of La Calavera as an icon for the criminal subcultures was present before "communism" even existed.

"So, thank you for this opportunity, I'm a professor, my life is to educate..."

You've done a fine job here, you pretentious buffoon. :D

I admit, I was jealous that "Elbow" got to kick your teeth in on the doctrinal errors of John Paul II. The person who started that post was one of your fellow Latins and they deleted my comment to spare you the shame.

You got off lucky. ;-)

Oh, it's true you have "educated" me here, that much is certain.

You have "educated" me on your ignorance. You've "educated" me on your utter unsuitability for your work. What you have taught, Señor Profesor is you cheat your students of both of their time and their money for every minute they waste sitting your classes. You know nothing of the Church, you know nothing of your own Latin culture and it shows.

Now go grade some papers and polish the frame on your worthless diploma, Profesor. ;-)

In 1850, you genius, Méjico was the most Catholic country in the world; in 1927, the Mej8canos endeavour a war ahainst their government and the government of Calvin Coolidge no one thought they could stand for 3 m9nths: they won but were betrayed.... There were several thousand of martyrs... You cannot oppose you wikisearches to that. Read La Cristiada by Jean Meyer, maybe you'd learn something, even decency.... But I'm not holding my breath, for real... Don't waste my time with your wikiseatches, please, I'm a professor. Got it, my boy?

Mistake #1:
"In 1850, you genius, Méjico was the most Catholic country in the world."

Correction:
France and Italy were "more" Catholic simply by virtue of having a larger, predominantly Catholic populations. Both populations at that time were at least double the size of Mexico. They were "more Catholic" because they had more Catholics. :D

Some professor you are eticacasanova You can't even discuss demographics without making simple mistakes :P

Mistake #2:
"in 1927, the Mej8canos endeavour a war ahainst their government and the government of Calvin Coolidge no one thought they could stand for 3 m9nths"

Correction: Completely irrelevant to the discussion. The personification of death existed in Latin culture, during the time of the Aztecs. That, you idiot,was thousands of years before 1927.

Santa Muerte was documented -by name- in Mexico in the 1700s, by the Catholic Inquisition no less. That, Profesor Stupido, is two hundred years before 1927.

Santa Muerte's visual iconography was established by a Mexican artist who was already drawning a female skeleton character in the late 1800s early 1900s. He died in 1913. That, Señor Incompetente, is 14 years before 1927.

This cult existed long before your irrelevant Mexican Cristero Rebellion even began.

Mistake #3:
"You cannot oppose you wikisearches to that."

Correction: Wiki is useful for fact-checking and it's a spectacular resource. But, unlike you, I know what I'm looking for and you don't.

You don't check because you're a professor and you believe you know everything, especially about a "Latin" subject. Results prove the opposite, no matter what the subject. :P

Mistake #4:
"Read La Cristiada by Jean Meyer, maybe you'd learn something, even decency..."

Correction: See my correction to Mistake #2 :D

Your book is irrelevant. A book on the Cristero Rebellion doesn't show this cult figure was created by communists or freemasons. That -was- your claim.

Mentioning books the way you did is a common European debating tactic. Mentioning a book title and author does not prove you claims or disprove mine.

What you're doing is a combination of two logical errors. First, a Fallacious Appeal to Authority (an author is not automatically correct by virtue of being published) and a Non Sequitur (it does not follow) since the subject is irrelevant to Santa Muerte.

You said Santa Muerte was, in your words "the work of the communist-freemason government".

You have shown ZERO support for your claim. It is impossible for you to prove that because, as I have already shown, Santa Muerte existed before Karl Marx was even born.

Further, you have not disproven any of my evidence. Meaning, in simple words, several things:

1.) you are wrong.
2.) you don't know how to reason,
3.) you have not supported your claims with factual information.
4.) you have not disproven my claims
5.) you have not refuted the factual information I provided in support of 4.)
6.) you're too stupid to recognize that 2) through 5.) shows 1.) is still in effect.

Mistake #5:
"Don't waste my time with your wikiseatches, please, I'm a professor. Got it, my boy?"

Correction: I'm not your boy and you're not a professor. :P

You're an imbecile who is paid to teach, nothing more. Your academic degrees aren't worth the paper they were printed on. In a competitive scholastic environment or in an academic journal, a printed discussion like this one would destroy your professional career.

Your colleagues would would photo-copy this discussion, underline your mistakes in red like correcting a student's paper and post it on the cork bulletin board outside your office all the time.

Perhaps your students must be polite to you so they can get a passing grade.

I'm not your student, so I don't need to humour you, or your stupidity. What YOU need to do, Profesor Estiércol is show factual evidence supporting your claim.

That is a basis of all intelligent debate. You made a claim Santa Muerte is (your words) "the work of the communist-freemason government "

Now prove it.

Show how the Communists and Freemasons created a cult-figure that was documented -by name- before they existed. Prove how "communists" invented a Mexican female skeleton figure that was already in print while the Tsars still ruled Russia..

...and before I forget. Show how Mexico was "the most Catholic country in the world" when France and Itally both had more Catholics. :D

Friendly suggestion... Before sneering at Wikisearches, you should try doing them before making an even bigger fool out of yourself.

If you can't prove your claim, don't bother replying wth more irrelevancies.

You can, of course, if you wish.;-) I am more than happy to expose you as a third-rate academic an incompetent debator and an intellectual stumbler in general.

So do you have any proof for your claims or are you done? :D

"France and Italy, Napolein the III France and Vittorio Emmanuelle Italy, now you are only throwing answers to see if you catch me."

What on earth are you jabbering about? Your claim about Mexico as "the most catholic country on earth" is wrong on demographics alone.

"Yeah, the aztecs are "latin culture", of course. Latin is not coming from pre-roman Italy, no, the aztecs are latin culture."

So by your deliberately narrow defintion, Latin America is what? "coming from pre-Roman Italy"? :P

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Latin

: of or relating to the peoples or countries using Romance languages specifically : of or relating to the peoples or countries of Latin America

See also...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America

Go be stupid somewhere else, "profesor" :D Besides, all of this is a deflection.

You still need to prove your asinine claim about Santa Muerte is the work of communists and freemasons.

Let's not forget that is what you came here to "correct" me about.

I've disproven the claim and for a man who talks about "decency" you should show enough to admit your mistake like a gentleman.

Or are you backing away from that mistake to look for other things you can fall on your face trying to "correct"? :D

"Don't didcuss with me, we are not in the same league."

When you're trying to patronize me, please spell "discuss" correctly. Even now you make a fool of yourself while pretending you are sooo educated.

¡Mira! El Gran Profesor... :D :D :D

You're right, we're not in the same league. You're my intellectual inferior and I take some real pleasure in reminding you of that. I wouldn't trust you to scrape the mud off my boots without making a mess of the job.

It isn't just because English is a second language for you. We could both be writing Spanish and your mistakes would not change. You made a claim you can not prove because it is wrong. Your further corrections were wrong. Your book that you cited is not even about the subject being discussed. You can't even understand the adjective "Latin"... how stupid is that?

However, since you mentioned the subject of "didcuss", I wasn't "didcussing" anything with you. Even there you're wrong.

You posted your ridiculous and irrelevant comments to pick a fight and you got your nose broken. You should learn from this.

Next time, when you see me posting, keep your mouth shut.

Next time, when I feel like correcting you over some mistake you've made anywhere else, keep your mouth shut. Don't reply.

As an old Thai proverb states, "The dog that barks gets beaten." If you behave like a good little dog, I'll treat you like one.