Sadly, he is nothing more than a token conservative for the more traditional Catholics to rally around. Alas, Burke is all hat and no cattle... all talk, no action. Sadder still, he has so many good folks hoodwinked into believing that he will actually do something about the current situation within the visible institution of the church.
Is there such a thing as a "sincere" apostate or a coward? H-mm?
Don't be a Pharisee, its not about the ring- its about the person and what he represents. He may wear rings and garments of Catholic Church but by his words and actions he represents so-called Synodal Church, a fallacy, a One world religion in the making
@Carol H I was referring to the apostate "Leo" and the coward Burke. I deeply respect the office of the papacy and the position of cardinal, which neither of them seem to do. Leo carries on the travesties of his predecessor, and Burke refuses to do anything about it. Perhaps it's time you learned to make distinctions.
Pope Leo may carry on doing what Pope Francis did but his Office is divine. Your feelings on the matter have no baring on what Christ instituted. And I say feelings because they are dictating your reactions. You think it a Catholic act to treat your superiors so? To judge your Pope as an apostate? Who made you a council of the Church? Away from the public's gaze, Cardinal Burke may be doing all he can to change the tide. As for the Vicar of Christ - Our Lord's representative on earth - we owe him allegiance, and we owe him respect. This doesn't mean we have to go along with things he personally says or does that conflict with the teachings of the Church, but we have to ACT Catholic and do what our forefathers always did.
@Carol H You are apparently one of the Recognize and Resist group. What you don't understand is that your position is not logical and it's not Catholic because if you really believe a particular man is the true pope, you are bound by the traditional teachings of the church to obey what he puts out in encyclicals, etc. as church teaching. E.g., "Francis" made Amoris Laetitia part of the official magisterium of the Church by adding it to the Acta Apostolicae Sedis, the official gazette of the Vatican which promulgates all the directives of the church. Bottom line is that if you believe a man is the pope, but refuse to follow what he directs, what happens to your so-called allegiance and respect you owe him? It's out the window and you are out of communion with the pope you say you follow. My position has nothing to do with my "feelings" but everything to do with what I see before my eyes: two men, Jorge Bergoglio and Robert Prevost who are in direct opposition to the Faith as it was taught for 1965 years until Vatican II. I am making no judgements against either man; that's up to a good holy Pope when we get one and ultimately up to God. My intellect, not my emotions, tell me that if a man teaches the opposite of what the Church has always believed, then he is not Catholic, the bare minimum for being a valid pope.
St. Athanasius (c. 297-373), archbishop of Alexandria, who was called the "father of orthodoxy" because of his public championship of the eternal deity of Christ against the heresy of Arianism; a heresy that the whole Church seem to have embraced. He never declared the Pope not the Pope and he never declared the Church not the Church. As for the R&R position, it is the most logical. You position is not only a novel error which flies in the face of everything the Church teaches, it is defeatist; Christ has lied, the gates of hell have prevailed, the Church is dead, no more valid cardinals or priests and therefore no more future Popes. Yes, as a loyal Catholic I do follow the Pope - when he is in union with his own Church - I do not follow or champion his personal errors, no more than St. Athanasius did. Nor do I set myself up to be my Superior's judge and jury. That's for another Pope or council to decide.
@Carol H End of discussion. We don't agree, and time will tell which of us is correct. May God bless you richly. Let us pray for each other and for the Church we both love so deeply.
It is important to understand the reality beneath the words. In a recent SSPX podcast significant clarification was offered. The Apostles knew the mass as calvary, the sacrifice for us for our redemption and salvation. The Synodal Church, as well as the Conciliar Church before it, believed that the mass is a celebratory meal in thanks for the free gift of salvation.
I have a great respect for Cardinal Burke. Cardinal Burke has been vocal about the Councilor Church transitioning to the Synodal Church. But his formation, like most of his contemporaries, was that the Conciliar Church is the 20th century expression of the Apostolic Church. He is sincere but wrong.
The fact that the Conciliar Cardinal kisses the ring of the Synodal Pope is of no particular importance. Both are in error, both may be sincere. What is important is that all who seek God sincerely, stick tenaciously and humbly to the Apostolic Church.
spotify.com/episode/1zhzgVeP2O70FMW9EPtqvn
How wonderful!….Kissing the Fisherman’s Ring, as countless Cardinals (and multitudes of others) have done when greeting or being received in audience by the reigning Supreme Pontiff since time immemorial. Francis hated it, as he did so many other traditional and ancient Catholic practices. His Holiness, Pope Leo permits it, and rightly so. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with his person, nor his actions, behavior or conduct…not at all. Instead, it’s a demonstration of filial affection, submission, devotion, respect and honor for the high and sacred Office he holds: Successor of Saint Peter, Vicar of Christ on Earth, Bishop of Rome and Supreme Pontiff of Holy Mother Church. BRAVO for Cardinal Burke in maintaining this glorious tradition.
But that's a lie and it doesn't work that way. No salvation without contrition, therefore Prevost teaches path to Hell! This is directly related to ever decreasing number of Confessions and lack of availability of that Sacrament. This is how souls go to Hell! The devil wants exactly what you are doing: to pretend that everything is fine with whats going on at the Church and at its very top. Carol don't participate in leading souls to Hell: you will be held accountable!!!
So says Pope Boanerges, self-appointed judger of all men.
No, it is not a lie: "Jesus shows us that true forgiveness does not wait for contrition but is offered first as a gift." This is qualified by what immediately follows: "When we experience wounds and betrayal, let us ask for the grace to offer true forgiveness, even when we feel misunderstood and abandoned, or even when it seems to be in vain (no contrition)." You Sir, are jumping on perceived errors that are not even there.
That's how you’re reading it. Thousands of others will read it as it is written “Jesus shows us that true forgiveness does not wait for contrition but is offered first as a gift.” and will dismiss the notion of sin and go to Confession even less. As Efimov stated, apostate Bergoflio (Previst’e teacher “from Heaven”) was also spreading errors that you don't need repentance to be absolved. Its all part of the same attempt to drive more souls to Hell. You want to participate in it? Go ahead, that's on you
Carol, did you forget what real papacy is about? Certainly not “Applaud Catholic acts when you see them, forgive when you don't.” That's not Peter the Rock. That's not Catholic Church. That's something else. Something very different.
The topic of discussion was the Holy Father's words - which match the word's of Christ. If you want to get into Sede-vacantism, start a new thread. Meanwhile I'll leave you with the following from the Council of Trent catechism: "For in after ages there would not be wanting wicked men who, like the ape that would fain to pass for a man, would claim that they alone were Catholics (and that) with them alone is the Catholic Church." - Article IX, pg.96. Mmmm, sums Sede-vacantists up beautifully.
Ohm, I guess you must think that Church is with those who destroy it and create the synodal ape of the Church? Only those who obey Christ’s commandments are His disciples. Certainly not those who worship idols like Pachamama, or those who say that all religions lead to God or those who fail to correct such lies. Or those who constantly fail to call to repentance.
The Church is the Body of Christ: Divine and human. The divine soul of the Church will never change and never falter. However the human element can. Never in the history of the Church has a doctrine been pushed, under pain of sin, that has been against the faith. Yes, the human element, right throughout the ages has caused scandals and set bad example. Think of the Arian heresy. Think of the Medici Popes. Think of St. Peter himself who denied Christ three times. Think of Judas, one of the first bishops of the Church - he betrayed Christ in return for monetary gain. This visible Church you reject, has stood as it was founded by Christ, for over two thousand years with an unbroken linage. Yes, the poison of Modernism has infiltrated into the minds of many of the hierarchy and twisted their understanding. But in his mercy God raised up Archbishop Lefebvre to keep the glorious traditions alive and in visible sight and it is only a matter of time when these traditions will supersede the inferior new liturgy universally. To say there is no Pope is declare there is no Christ; for they are one and the same mystically. Did not Judas betray him because Our Lord was not the glorious revolutionary saviour he wanted? Are you not betraying him for the same reason? Are you not saying that that is not longer the Church, that we, the sede-vacantist, the elite, are the 'real' Catholics and that the Church is now us?