Financial Malaise in Vatican and No Solution?
Martyr Cardinal George Pell, then the Prefect of the Vatican’s Secretariat for the Economy, identified in October 2016 potential money laundering, fraud, six “ciphered” foreign bank accounts, secret …More
Martyr Cardinal George Pell, then the Prefect of the Vatican’s Secretariat for the Economy, identified in October 2016 potential money laundering, fraud, six “ciphered” foreign bank accounts, secret particular assets and real estate transactions, held "off the books."
These risks were related to the APSA, the Administration of the Patrimony of the Holy See.
According to Edward Pentin (NCRegister.com, Jul 22) Pell contacted Australian banking friends in London in 2016. They estimated that possibly as much as €7 billion could be held in offshore accounts, like the Banca della Svizzera Italiana and Julius Bär, both located in Lugano, Switzerland.
Pell got the Vatican’s auditor general, Libero Milone, involved, received Pope Francis’ permission to act but the bank statements never made it to them. According to Pentin, their initiative was most likely sabotaged.
Pentin mentions the Vatican's London property at the prestigious Mayfair 176-206 High Street Kensington with 108 apartments and …More
These risks were related to the APSA, the Administration of the Patrimony of the Holy See.
According to Edward Pentin (NCRegister.com, Jul 22) Pell contacted Australian banking friends in London in 2016. They estimated that possibly as much as €7 billion could be held in offshore accounts, like the Banca della Svizzera Italiana and Julius Bär, both located in Lugano, Switzerland.
Pell got the Vatican’s auditor general, Libero Milone, involved, received Pope Francis’ permission to act but the bank statements never made it to them. According to Pentin, their initiative was most likely sabotaged.
Pentin mentions the Vatican's London property at the prestigious Mayfair 176-206 High Street Kensington with 108 apartments and …More
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@GTVisrockin Well, a post made somewhere else (and isn't linked here) won't help in changing anyone's mind. Besides, like I said, the issue isn't Cardinal Pell getting set-up or his own abuse trial.
Ok .Ultraviolet, you expect a reply, you got it. So you can’t be bothered looking, ok then I’ll make it even easier for you, how about you privately message me your phone number and I will gladly phone …More
@GTVisrockin Well, a post made somewhere else (and isn't linked here) won't help in changing anyone's mind. Besides, like I said, the issue isn't Cardinal Pell getting set-up or his own abuse trial.
Ok .Ultraviolet, you expect a reply, you got it. So you can’t be bothered looking, ok then I’ll make it even easier for you, how about you privately message me your phone number and I will gladly phone you and tell you all you obviously need to know.
Seems Bro. Beowulf is griping how Archbishop Pell handled the previous administration's abuse scandal and, well, yeah... The angry victims and their families in Australia sound just like the angry victims and their families everywhere else complaining that Bishop So 'n So just wants us to go away and doesn't care in the slightest what happened us.
Well of course Your bro is griping cuz he hasn’t got a blooming clue how C. Pell handled it, pity your bro never requested a private audience with St. Pope John Paul II, he would have told him ALL he needed to know about how C.Pell handled it and what action was taken. In fact, it is just the opposite, Cardinal Pell did care, what did they want from him? What they got now…
Maybe you were there, but hey... so were all those vocal, super-irate victims and their families. They certainly aren't evil demon homosexuals promoting climate change or what-not. They're people who got shafted...literally and figuratively.
You say *maybe* I was there, that’s a lukewarm approach, you cannot sit on the fence, you either call me a liar or not. Your call, but indeed call it.
To be clear, I did not say that “they” were homosexuals, or climate change activists, I was refereeing to those who hate him & the church in this atheistic, communistic country. The victims got shafted by Arch Little not C.Pell, but Little is dead so they go after Pell instead so that must makes it ok in your books.
As for the angry victims, C.Pell does not have any victims. True Victims would NOT be angry @Cardinal Pell, they are angry at the church. *true*Victims would not par-take in such an evil demonic witch-hunt as to destroy an innocent Cardinal.
Indeed there was others clowns who were holding up B.S banners with a nice little collection tin sitting on their take away table, they were nothing but freeloaders, you have absolutely no idea, they thought it was just great being in the lime light, the smirks on their faces with cigarettes hanging out of their mouths, it was not a sight for sore eyes. I actually witnessed one yobb head towards peaceful supporters of the great Cardinal and say to them whilst he was smirking & laughing, we are going to destroy your church, and we are gonna make some money while we are at it ha-ha, ha.. The so called victims advocate putting on the act, with his hands covering his face carrying on like a blooming pork shop, spread his fingers from time to time having a bit of sneak look to see if the media camera’s was still on him, and when he was sure they were, those fingers moved back to closed position quicker than lightning. What a joke, if it wasn’t so serious it would have been a comedy show.
The guy they're describing sounds like every other Church bureaucrat mopping up after the scandal was too big to suppress.
As for the above remark, Ponder on some facts for a minute, when Pell returned from Rome as a Cardinal in the 90’s the first thing he did upon taking office @ St. Pat’s was to access certain files (files that he would have never been given or made aware of, as he was no friend of the mod squad) when he found the files he immediately handed them over to the authorities, knowing too well this will be a terrible public scandal for the church. What a pity you weren’t in his shoes back in the 90’s you seem to think you could have handled it much better than a prince of the church, who having a heavy heart for the church and victims did his God given duty to clean up such an evil mess.
It's clear the Australian legal system wanted a conviction and offered none of the leeway other defendants typically get. But let's face it, two wrongs don't make a right... or a saint.
On a final note, There is nothing worse than a sick perverted man in priests clothing, or in any other position of authority for that matter, as for those who protect them, or cover up for them, let it be said that the blood of those who suffered under those wicked men is also on their hands. Cardinal Pell did not ever cover up for those creeps, even the first & second royal commission, did not (much to their disappointment no doubt) find C. Pell guilty of covering up for those wolves. This is simply a punishment directed to the Catholic Church for sins of the past and in the hope to destroy the church. Well that’s never going to happen, it does not matter what anyone thinks at the end of the day, the devil has for now won this wicked battle against a Holy Cardinal but victory belongs to God and he will vindicate Cardinal Pell. May the blessings of the almighty be upon him and may Mary cover him with her mantle of love as I, ask God the father almighty to send St Michael the archangel to protect him from all harm.
Ok .Ultraviolet, you expect a reply, you got it. So you can’t be bothered looking, ok then I’ll make it even easier for you, how about you privately message me your phone number and I will gladly phone you and tell you all you obviously need to know.
Seems Bro. Beowulf is griping how Archbishop Pell handled the previous administration's abuse scandal and, well, yeah... The angry victims and their families in Australia sound just like the angry victims and their families everywhere else complaining that Bishop So 'n So just wants us to go away and doesn't care in the slightest what happened us.
Well of course Your bro is griping cuz he hasn’t got a blooming clue how C. Pell handled it, pity your bro never requested a private audience with St. Pope John Paul II, he would have told him ALL he needed to know about how C.Pell handled it and what action was taken. In fact, it is just the opposite, Cardinal Pell did care, what did they want from him? What they got now…
Maybe you were there, but hey... so were all those vocal, super-irate victims and their families. They certainly aren't evil demon homosexuals promoting climate change or what-not. They're people who got shafted...literally and figuratively.
You say *maybe* I was there, that’s a lukewarm approach, you cannot sit on the fence, you either call me a liar or not. Your call, but indeed call it.
To be clear, I did not say that “they” were homosexuals, or climate change activists, I was refereeing to those who hate him & the church in this atheistic, communistic country. The victims got shafted by Arch Little not C.Pell, but Little is dead so they go after Pell instead so that must makes it ok in your books.
As for the angry victims, C.Pell does not have any victims. True Victims would NOT be angry @Cardinal Pell, they are angry at the church. *true*Victims would not par-take in such an evil demonic witch-hunt as to destroy an innocent Cardinal.
Indeed there was others clowns who were holding up B.S banners with a nice little collection tin sitting on their take away table, they were nothing but freeloaders, you have absolutely no idea, they thought it was just great being in the lime light, the smirks on their faces with cigarettes hanging out of their mouths, it was not a sight for sore eyes. I actually witnessed one yobb head towards peaceful supporters of the great Cardinal and say to them whilst he was smirking & laughing, we are going to destroy your church, and we are gonna make some money while we are at it ha-ha, ha.. The so called victims advocate putting on the act, with his hands covering his face carrying on like a blooming pork shop, spread his fingers from time to time having a bit of sneak look to see if the media camera’s was still on him, and when he was sure they were, those fingers moved back to closed position quicker than lightning. What a joke, if it wasn’t so serious it would have been a comedy show.
The guy they're describing sounds like every other Church bureaucrat mopping up after the scandal was too big to suppress.
As for the above remark, Ponder on some facts for a minute, when Pell returned from Rome as a Cardinal in the 90’s the first thing he did upon taking office @ St. Pat’s was to access certain files (files that he would have never been given or made aware of, as he was no friend of the mod squad) when he found the files he immediately handed them over to the authorities, knowing too well this will be a terrible public scandal for the church. What a pity you weren’t in his shoes back in the 90’s you seem to think you could have handled it much better than a prince of the church, who having a heavy heart for the church and victims did his God given duty to clean up such an evil mess.
It's clear the Australian legal system wanted a conviction and offered none of the leeway other defendants typically get. But let's face it, two wrongs don't make a right... or a saint.
On a final note, There is nothing worse than a sick perverted man in priests clothing, or in any other position of authority for that matter, as for those who protect them, or cover up for them, let it be said that the blood of those who suffered under those wicked men is also on their hands. Cardinal Pell did not ever cover up for those creeps, even the first & second royal commission, did not (much to their disappointment no doubt) find C. Pell guilty of covering up for those wolves. This is simply a punishment directed to the Catholic Church for sins of the past and in the hope to destroy the church. Well that’s never going to happen, it does not matter what anyone thinks at the end of the day, the devil has for now won this wicked battle against a Holy Cardinal but victory belongs to God and he will vindicate Cardinal Pell. May the blessings of the almighty be upon him and may Mary cover him with her mantle of love as I, ask God the father almighty to send St Michael the archangel to protect him from all harm.