la verded prevalce: Please, stop with the theatrics. We all know Pope Francis is a bad Pope. We all know he gives scandal and seems to be working hand-in-hand with Freemasons. Moreover most of us here are traditionalists who have made a lot of personal sacrifices to hold onto the faith and attend the Latin Mass. So that's not the issue and you are dishonest to make it so. The fundamental difference is that I refuse to usurp the authority of the Magisterium of the Church; I refuse to join your private - and very bitter - revolution. Archbishop Lefebvre showed us how we can lawfully maneuver through this chaotic mess without openly attacking the visible Church of Rome like the Freemasons - and without compromising our own faith and our children's faith. It's Christ's Church. It's our Church. Our Lord won't allow this to go on for much longer.

@Carol H The Bergogliagnos have their intellect sealed by the Antichrist and have joined Bergoglio in his rebellion against God and the Church. They have placed a declared enemy of God above the Magisterium of the Church. They are not able to see reality, they have been deceived because they love lies more. They are blind people who are guided by the blind Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

Bergoglio corrupts young people with Marxist gender ideology and refuses to call them to repentance (youtube.com)

They have joined Bergoglio in his rebellion against God and against the Church.

Anathema Sit Bergoglio

la verdad prevalece: Have a tizzy fit if you must but the reality remains that an equal authority must judge and depose the Pope. As you do not have that equal authority, you would be more profitable channeling that single-minded passion into prayer and sacrifice for the Holy Father. As so many saints have studied the ins and outs of the issue and come down on the side of prudence and unity - in that he remains the Pope until lawfully judged by a council or a subsequent Pope - then that is the path we Catholics should follow. Naturally this does not mean blind obedience for we are allowed to respectfully resist the Holy Father when his directives fly in the face of Canon Law/tradition. It's a horrible situation to be in but God gave us this lawful "loop hole" in light of the Vatican II confusion. We owe Archbishop Lefebvre so much.

The Bergoglians deceive themselves by believing the lie that a heretic can become pope and they believe themselves to be their own popes in order to say that they have the power to be in subjective schism to resist their heresies. They are above the one they say is pope.
But Scripture shows us that their tolerance of heresies makes them complicit and guilty.

Revelation 2:20-23

New Catholic Bible

20 Nevertheless, I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and who by her teaching is luring my servants into acts of fornication (FIDUCIA SUPPLICANS AND AMORIS LAETITIA) and encouraging them to eat food that has been sacrificed to idols. SACRILEGE (AMORIS LAETITIA)
21 “ ‘ “I have given her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her fornication. 22 So I will cast her onto a bed of pain, and all those who commit adultery with her will suffer intensely unless they renounce her practices. 23 I will also strike her children dead. Thereby all the Churches will be shown that I am the one who searches minds and hearts and I will give to each of you what your works deserve.

@Carol H Have a read of Martin Luther. You have similar styles.
Bergoglio will call you also: Catholics Possessed By the Devil

@bactid: It's ironic that they (bergoglians) call you (us) Luther when Francis (Bergoglio) honored him with a statue and stamp.

Bergoglio niega a Trento al apoyar la doctrina herética luterana de la justificación.

Luteranos reciben la comunión sacrílega durante una misa en el Vaticano después de reunirse con Bergoglio.
La Herejía de la Diversidad reconciliada es la negación de la presencia Real de Jesucristo en la Eucaristía.

"You cannot resist a True Pope". You can if he speaks or commands an error. St. Paul did. St. Athanasius did. Archbishop Lefebvre did. Clear-cut historical examples so I'm in good company. As for your accusation about the Pope personally - I do not know if the Pope is intentionally defying God, sending souls to hell and working for the devil. It's not for me to declare upon. It's not my station. It's not yours either. I see though you are very black and white and find it difficult to make distinctions. A schism is a formal breach of union; a formal break/separation. Respectfully resisting the Pope when he acts against Church Law does not qualify for any sort of schism. Neither it is setting up an authority over the Pope like sede-vacantists do. It therefore doesn't help the discussion by dramatically throwing words about for mere shock value. As for "The Magisterium of the Church has decreed in perpetuity invalid and null the elevation of a heretic, a woman or a child as pope", this same Magisterium elected and recognises this Pope. And as it is the only authority who can rule whether the Pope is/was a manifest heretic or not, your argument carries no relevance. You should read over every line you have written - out loud. Listen to yourself. For all I can hear is la verdad prevalece loudly pontificating that "Pope Francis is an anti-Christ and all who don't agree or reserve judgment are all servants of satan." Have a read of Martin Luther. You have similar styles.

la verdad prevalece: (1) The anti-pope of St. Catherine of Siena's time was indeed an anti-Pope as there was already a true Pope on the throne. (2) You fail to make the distinction between the man and his Divine Office and you invert your position to ours: A pseudo religion where the visible Church, dogmas, and the authority of the hierarchy are considered dispensable is your position, not mine (3) You have no right in either scripture, tradition, or Church Law to declare the Pope is not the Pope. (4) Rejecting the Papacy is a devil's tool. So who is the servant? (5, 6,7) In acknowledging the Papacy, while resisting the abuses, I am living my faith as set down by the Church Fathers and their example. Question: Why is it that those who want to have an emotional rant block everyone else from speaking?

@stevedoetsch:
1)Bergolio teaches that God "wills the diversity of religions" so those who wish to remain obedient to him must consent to his teaching that God willed Vigano's actions.

2) Bergolio teaches that no one can seperate themselves from the Church, so those who wish to remain obedient to him must obey his teaching that Vigano is not separated from the church.