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Bishop Andrew Cozzens' statement re: Fiducia Supplicans

December 18, 2023-Today the Vatican issued a statement, signed by the Holy Father, that spoke about offering blessings to people who currently live outside of the way of life commanded by Jesus. The …More
December 18, 2023-Today the Vatican issued a statement, signed by the Holy Father, that spoke about offering blessings to people who currently live outside of the way of life commanded by Jesus. The document especially addresses the question of blessing "same-sex couples." The document from the Vatican, Fiducia Supplicans (FS), is clear that this is not in any way a change in the Church's teaching about marriage. The Church's teaching about marriage, since it is rooted in the Gospel we have received from Jesus Christ, is unchangeable. The Vatican document itself states that marriage is an "exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children" and the document also states that "this conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage, it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church's doctrine on this point remains firm" (FS, 4).
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SonoftheChurch
Sorry, Your Excellency. You can add all the sugar and cream you like to this cup….but it’s STILL a cup of steaming, stinking excrement. Drink it at your own peril.
petrus100452
I met Bishop Cozzens personally when he had to wait a day in Amsterdam for a flight to America. He was staying with me at the time. He had just given a retreat to the Missionaries of Charity (Sisters of Mother Teresa) with whom he maintains a good relationship. Bishop Cozzens is - in my opinion - a pious man trying to be a sincere follower of Christ. When he stayed with me - I think in 2016, just …More
I met Bishop Cozzens personally when he had to wait a day in Amsterdam for a flight to America. He was staying with me at the time. He had just given a retreat to the Missionaries of Charity (Sisters of Mother Teresa) with whom he maintains a good relationship. Bishop Cozzens is - in my opinion - a pious man trying to be a sincere follower of Christ. When he stayed with me - I think in 2016, just after the publication of Amoris Leatitia - I spoke with him about this encyclical. He shifted color when I told him I felt betrayed by Pope Francis, and he did not respond. The problem with him, and many bishops who are like him, is that deep in their hearts they see the truth, but they dare not acknowledge it because the consequences are too terrible. They are blinded by a certain form of papolatry that forbids them from ever thinking of the pope as erring or spreading heresy. Even though this is so obvious. Then they prefer to do - as in Bishop Cozzens' commentary - all kinds of brain gymnastics to defend the indefensible, to talk the lie straight. In fact, these are the greatest victims of Francis' deceptions. Their piety makes them, for the sake of their "obedience" to the pope, deny the truth to themselves.
V.R.S.
As far as I remember people in "same-sex couples" i.e. public sodomites used to be excommunicated by the Church, cf. Councils of Elvira (305/306), Ancyra (314), Third Lateran Ecumenical Council (1179) - canon XI:
Quicumque autem in incontinentia illa, quae contra naturam est, propter quam ira Dei venit in filios diffidentiae et quinque civitates igne consumpsit, deprehensi fuerint laborare, si …More
As far as I remember people in "same-sex couples" i.e. public sodomites used to be excommunicated by the Church, cf. Councils of Elvira (305/306), Ancyra (314), Third Lateran Ecumenical Council (1179) - canon XI:

Quicumque autem in incontinentia illa, quae contra naturam est, propter quam ira Dei venit in filios diffidentiae et quinque civitates igne consumpsit, deprehensi fuerint laborare, si clerici fuerint, eiciantur a clero et ad agendam poenitentiam in monasteriis retrudantur; si laici, excommunicationi subdantur et a coetu fidelium fiant penitus alieni.

But whoever is in that incontinence, which is contrary to nature, because of which the wrath of God came upon the sons of unbelief and consumed five cities with fire, they must be caught working, if they were clerics, they should be expelled from the clergy and sent back to do penance in monasteries. if they are laymen, they are subject to excommunication and become completely alienated from the group of the faithful.

Why His Excellency is not able to say: Yes, yes - no, no but engages in a not-subtle-at-all but rather grotesque trap of blessings that are not blessings and acceptance of couples contra naturam that gives no acceptance.
Denis Efimov
Who are they trying to fool? In the eyes of the whole world, this means only one thing: Francis allowed the marriages of sodomites to be blessed. And in practice, these rituals will look (and already look) equivalent to marriage
V.R.S.
"Francis allowed the marriages of sodomites to be blessed..."
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But only "spontaneously".
V.R.S.
"But" is a favorite modernist word e.g.:
Credo in unum Deum but let us enjoy the "values" of pagan Hinduism (Nostra Aetate). And so on.
Denis Efimov
This is true
SHJ-IHM
Yeah thanks Bishop Cozzens. Be careful not to rock the boat (pun intended). I'm sure your clarification will result in retractions of the recent headlines all over the world. And I'm sure we won't see same-sex marriages coming soon to a parish near you.