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Local Bishop and Vatican Condemn Apparitions Of “Our Lady Of All Nations”

Haarlem-Amsterdam Bishop Johannes Hendriks published in accordance with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith a December 30 clarification regarding the false apparitions of Our Lady of All …More
Haarlem-Amsterdam Bishop Johannes Hendriks published in accordance with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith a December 30 clarification regarding the false apparitions of Our Lady of All Nations.
Hendriks admits the title Lady of All Nations but explains that its recognition does in no way imply a recognition of "the supernaturality of some phenomena from which it seems to have come.”
He informs that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has reaffirmed the validity of Paul VI's 25 May 1974 negative judgment on the supernaturality of the alleged "apparitions and revelations" to Ms. Ida Peerdeman.
This judgment implies that everybody is urged to cease propagating alleged apparitions and revelations which regard to Our Lady of All Nations.
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mathe
The DDF didnt condemn the apparition.
They didnt investigate it, they "just" did something bureaucratically.
They said that a document of 50 years ago is still valid ...
The notification of 1974 .
Which is already long outdated. By the same discastery, a few times.
They dont seem to know. namely in 1996 cardinal Ratzinger ( chief of the DDF ) gave permission for the release of the devotion , and …More
The DDF didnt condemn the apparition.
They didnt investigate it, they "just" did something bureaucratically.
They said that a document of 50 years ago is still valid ...
The notification of 1974 .
Which is already long outdated. By the same discastery, a few times.
They dont seem to know. namely in 1996 cardinal Ratzinger ( chief of the DDF ) gave permission for the release of the devotion , and added ; the final approval we leave for later date .
The later date was then 2002 when the bisschop of Amsterdam did approve it.
Already in the eighties , ( 1983) the DDF, then congregation , asked the bisschop to see if he could release the devotion .
This decision now is a bureaucratic decision by a few people there who dont know the history , they never investigated anything , just hold on to a outdated notification .
mathe
It is wrong to say: "Rome has condemned it " that is not the facts ..
There was no investigation , and no condemnation as false ,being against the teachings of the church.
Just a reversion to a outdated document .
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Jeffrey Ade
The Blessed Mother seems to contradict herself in this apparition when she says "Once the dogma, the final dogma in Marian history, has been proclaimed, the Lady of All Nations will grant peace, true peace, to the world." But the Immaculate Heart of Mary said there will be peace when Russia is consecrated to her Immaculate Heart? So which one is it?
mystic
Both! There is no exclusion clause.
petrus100452
mystic: you are right. "In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph." The triumph of Mary on a doctrinal domain is the dogma of Mary, Coredemptrix, Mediatrix of all Graces and Advocate. That is what the Lady of All Nations foretold. Maybe the dogma will be proclaimed after the consecration of Russia... who knows. And the Church - the CDF - has never condemned the apparitions of the Lady of All …More
mystic: you are right. "In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph." The triumph of Mary on a doctrinal domain is the dogma of Mary, Coredemptrix, Mediatrix of all Graces and Advocate. That is what the Lady of All Nations foretold. Maybe the dogma will be proclaimed after the consecration of Russia... who knows. And the Church - the CDF - has never condemned the apparitions of the Lady of All Nations. In the notification of 1974 the CDGF stated Non constat de supernaturalitate which is not a condemnation.
Ultraviolet
Considering the Vatican condemns "our lady of all nations" as false, that should answer your question, @Jeffrey Ade Not being snarky, but it's that simple. If this apparition is false, and the Vatican says it is, then that explains why whatever it says contradicts genuine apparitions before it.
Now if only this would happen for "Medjugorje" with all the bogus seers and similar disreputable …More
Considering the Vatican condemns "our lady of all nations" as false, that should answer your question, @Jeffrey Ade Not being snarky, but it's that simple. If this apparition is false, and the Vatican says it is, then that explains why whatever it says contradicts genuine apparitions before it.

Now if only this would happen for "Medjugorje" with all the bogus seers and similar disreputable shenanigans.

The problem there is a huge number of Catholics have bought into all that vaguely mystical clap-trap while casually ignoring the many factual discrepancies that turn up. It's become a solid source of revenue for the region. Politics and economics begins to play a major role in influencing such decisions.
mathe
it is impossible that Medjugorje is false.
All those people ( the 6 seeers) cant have been lying for more that 40 years.
They would have been totally schizophrenic to do that .
Furthermore : many million people going there praying the rosary , confessing, etc.
Some of the seeers benifit from the pelgrims ( everybody in Medjugorje benefit a lot from the pelgrims )
But is that wrong?
It was an extremely …More
it is impossible that Medjugorje is false.
All those people ( the 6 seeers) cant have been lying for more that 40 years.
They would have been totally schizophrenic to do that .
Furthermore : many million people going there praying the rosary , confessing, etc.
Some of the seeers benifit from the pelgrims ( everybody in Medjugorje benefit a lot from the pelgrims )
But is that wrong?
It was an extremely poor village , like mediëval poor .