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Latin Mass Society: Coronavirus, the Traditional Latin Mass and receiving Communion

Statement on Covid-19 (Coronavirus) and the reception of Holy Communion at celebrations of the Mass according to the extraordinary Form, from the English Latin Mass Society (March 2): The Bishops of …More
Statement on Covid-19 (Coronavirus) and the reception of Holy Communion at celebrations of the Mass according to the extraordinary Form, from the English Latin Mass Society (March 2):
The Bishops of England and Wales have issued ‘Guidelines’ (dated 27th February 2020) on steps to be taken in parishes in relation to the possible spread of COVID-19 (the Coronavirus).
While noting that these guidelines do not take the form of a decree with the force of canon law, we welcome them. We should like to make the following clarifications on their application to celebrations of the Extraordinary Form and other traditional Rites and Usages of the Latin Church, such as the Dominican Rite.
1. In these celebrations the Sign of Peace is not given among members of the congregation; the Precious Blood is not distributed to the Faithful (from the Chalice); and Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion are not employed. In these respects these celebrations already adhere to or render unnecessary recommendations …More
Ultraviolet
Thor's Rhetorical Trick #46: The Heavy Headlines.
Every time you start laying down lots of underlining or all Caps Lock Or Bold Or all of the above, you're trying for a visual soundbyte because you don't have any facts supporting it. It's just more of your noise, said very visibly with nothing behind it.
"attach more importence to the outward manner in which people receive Holy Communion than …More
Thor's Rhetorical Trick #46: The Heavy Headlines.

Every time you start laying down lots of underlining or all Caps Lock Or Bold Or all of the above, you're trying for a visual soundbyte because you don't have any facts supporting it. It's just more of your noise, said very visibly with nothing behind it.

"attach more importence to the outward manner in which people receive Holy Communion than whether they receive it at all"

...said the guy who's been repeatedly insisting "communion in the hand" is the only safe/ acceptable/ proper/ hgyienic/ over-qualifed way to receive Communion. Hypocrisy, much? You? That's a given, Crackers. Your entire so-called "Catholic" world-view is one long run of double-standards.

People who respect something would like to see others respect it. People who don't respect something don't care if others disrespect it as well.

Your any communion is better than no communion line of reasoning is why "clown masses" are celebrated. Again, you display your Novus Ordo indoctrination and innate lack of respect for the Sacrament.

"You then adopt some spiritually superior manner that only your method is permissable."

Another lie. I've said several times now the Church recognizes "communion in the hand" as a valid method and I defer to the opinion of the Church. This is you making things up again. This is you telling another lie again. This is you telling another lie about me again.

"The foul and anti Christian anti catholic so called Latin mass Society of England and Wales...

You're just really butthurt because the Latin Mass society posted has that side by side comparison of the Latin vs. Novsu Ordo Missals and it totally destroyed your claim there are no "essential" differences. :D
Thors Catholic Hammer
@Ultraviolet
Pharisees like yourself attach more importence to the outward manner in which people receive Holy Communion than whether they receive it at all.
You then adopt some spiritually superior manner that only your method is permissable.
The foul and anti Christian anti catholic so called Latin mass Society of England and Wales then refuse Holy Communion to people who desire to receive in …More
@Ultraviolet
Pharisees like yourself attach more importence to the outward manner in which people receive Holy Communion than whether they receive it at all.
You then adopt some spiritually superior manner that only your method is permissable.
The foul and anti Christian anti catholic so called Latin mass Society of England and Wales then refuse Holy Communion to people who desire to receive in the hand.
Go away the lot of you.
You are all haters of Christ and everything He stands for
Ultraviolet
"Just who are these schismatics denying......that moment a Novus Ordo fanboy calls Traditionalists "schismatics" for insisting on the earlier form of the Mass . :D
"I have noticed these arrogant self righteous medievalists ..."
...like the Novus Ordo types who refuse to give Communion on the tongue, amirite Thors Catholic Hammer ???
www.lifesitenews.com/news/chilean-bishop-…
"display their …More
"Just who are these schismatics denying......that moment a Novus Ordo fanboy calls Traditionalists "schismatics" for insisting on the earlier form of the Mass . :D

"I have noticed these arrogant self righteous medievalists ..."

...like the Novus Ordo types who refuse to give Communion on the tongue, amirite Thors Catholic Hammer ???

www.lifesitenews.com/news/chilean-bishop-…

"display their schismatic dogmatism..."

...said the man who refuses to recognize the Pope. :D

Double standards, Crackers. Your entire perception of the Church is one colossal double-standard.
Thors Catholic Hammer
English Latin Mass society?
Just who are these schismatics denying Catholics the right to receive communion in the hand?
How dare they.
I have noticed these arrogant self righteous medievalists spitting bile and vomit at everybody who doesn’t follow their narrow and superficial practices that rely on outward appearances only.
Christ had them well summed up when He described them as Whited Sepulchres.
Thors Catholic Hammer
In denying Catholics the right to receive communion in the hand these Latin mass fanatics reject the church and display their schismatic dogmatism along with their medieval ignorance concerning basic hygiene.
One more comment from Thors Catholic Hammer
Thors Catholic Hammer
The physical action of feeding bread to a human mouth by hand is almost identical to the physical action of dispensing the Eucharist on the tongue.
Only complete fools will claim that those doing the feeding will always avoid contact with the tongue or lip.
Ultraviolet
"Only a thorough 100% fool sees..." Your Fallacy Is: No True Scottsman (see below)
"placing food in another persons mouth by hand as on the same hygienic level..."
Several mistakes here, Crackers. First, the priest doesn't place food in another person's mouth. The priest places the Eucharist on the tongue.
He never once has to touch the tongue, either. It's entirely possible to place a "piece of …More
"Only a thorough 100% fool sees..." Your Fallacy Is: No True Scottsman (see below)

"placing food in another persons mouth by hand as on the same hygienic level..."

Several mistakes here, Crackers. First, the priest doesn't place food in another person's mouth. The priest places the Eucharist on the tongue.

He never once has to touch the tongue, either. It's entirely possible to place a "piece of food" onto a frying pan that's broiling-hot without touching the pan. Coocs do it every day.

You have this insane delusion the priest jams his fingers into people's mouths. He doesn't. I've said this before and you keep repeating your same lie, like you do with every other lie you tell every day.

Second, on a more religious level, The Eucharist isn't just "food".

You're betraying your modernist, Novus Ordo, thoroughly secular view of the Blessed Sacrament again.

To you it's just "food" like any other, your words, a little wafer of bread and nothing more.

That isn't just wrong. It's blasphemous. The Eucharist isn't just common "food".
Thors Catholic Hammer
@Ultraviolet
Oh dear .
Again time after time you fail to see the issue here.
Obviously you don’t know what the word accidentally means.
Then you confuse my secular description of feeding someone with the act of receiving communion.
Objectively it is the same thing in terms of the purely physical actions involved.
And fwiw I have received on the tongue where the Host was jammed into my mouth by a …More
@Ultraviolet

Oh dear .
Again time after time you fail to see the issue here.
Obviously you don’t know what the word accidentally means.
Then you confuse my secular description of feeding someone with the act of receiving communion.
Objectively it is the same thing in terms of the purely physical actions involved.
And fwiw I have received on the tongue where the Host was jammed into my mouth by a clumsy priest.
You want to live in some cloud cuckoo world of perfect priests who administer the sacraments without the slightest error.
Then you vomit bile at anybody who might point out that errors do occur when communion is administered orally.
Religious mania is clearly just part of your problem.
Ultraviolet
"Obviously you don’t know what the word accidentally means."
Thor's Rhetorical Trick #25: The Absent Context.
An outgrowth of Rhetorical Trick # 72: The Summary, the Absent Context addresses some point supposedly made but without any frame of reference. This allows Thor to invent errors where none exist.
"Then you confuse my secular description of feeding someone with the act of receiving communion."More
"Obviously you don’t know what the word accidentally means."

Thor's Rhetorical Trick #25: The Absent Context.

An outgrowth of Rhetorical Trick # 72: The Summary, the Absent Context addresses some point supposedly made but without any frame of reference. This allows Thor to invent errors where none exist.

"Then you confuse my secular description of feeding someone with the act of receiving communion."

Perfect example of Rhetorical Trick # 72: "The Summary". Instead of disproving the claim made, Thor "summarizes" it into something else.

I didn't "confuse" anything. You said what you said why you said it.

The Eucharist is just "food". To you, it lacks any Divine qualities. As such, it's filthy, germ-covered, and spreads COVID-19. I'm just holding you to your own words and your own reasoning, Crackers.

"Objectively it is the same thing in terms of the purely physical actions involved."

Wrong. The priest does not put "food" into people's mouth. He places the Eucharist onto the tongue. Notice the difference, Crackers?

IN the mouth vs. ON the tongue.
They're not "objectively the same thing" and that kind of fatuous quasi-academic prattle doesn't work on me.

"And fwiw I have received on the tongue where the Host was jammed into my mouth by a clumsy priest."

Sure he did. Cool story, Bro. Needs moar Benedict still wearing his Papal Ring. Your Fallacy Is: Anecdotal.

"point out that errors do occur when communion is administered orally."

You keep repeating this claim. Your Fallacy Is: Argumentum Ad Nauseam. Actually your entire presence on GTV is one long run of it. :D
Ultraviolet
"Only a thorough 100% fool sees..." Your Fallacy Is: No True Scottsman (see below)
"placing food in another persons mouth by hand as on the same hygienic level..."
Several mistakes here, Thors Catholic Hammer . First, the priest doesn't place food in another person's mouth. The priest places the Eucharist on the tongue.
He never once has to touch the tongue, either. It's incredibly easy to place …More
"Only a thorough 100% fool sees..." Your Fallacy Is: No True Scottsman (see below)

"placing food in another persons mouth by hand as on the same hygienic level..."

Several mistakes here, Thors Catholic Hammer . First, the priest doesn't place food in another person's mouth. The priest places the Eucharist on the tongue.

He never once has to touch the tongue, either. It's incredibly easy to place a "piece of food" onto a frying pan that's broiling-hot without touching the pan. Chefs do it every day in busy kitchens around the world. .

You have this insane delusion the priest jams his fingers into people's mouths. He doesn't. I've said this before and you keep repeating your same lie, like you do with every other lie you tell every day.

Second, on a more religious level, The Eucharist isn't just "food" as you call it. You're betraying your modernist, Novus Ordo, thoroughly secular view of the Blessed Sacrament again.

To you it's just "food" like any other, your words, a little wafer of bread and nothing more.

That isn't just wrong. It's blasphemous. The Eucharist isn't just common "food".
Thors Catholic Hammer
Only a thorough 100% fool sees placing food in another persons mouth by hand as on the same hygienic level as placing food in their hand by hand .
Ultraviolet
"tiny microscopic droplets"? Thors Catholic Hammer :D Do you mean HUGE microscopic droplets exist as well, you stupid parrot? Typical over-qualifications from you, a common rhetorical trick to make your garbage sound more factual. Right from the get-go, you're tripping over your feet.
You're more likely to catch COVID-19 just by being at the same Mass with an infected person, regardless of how you …More
"tiny microscopic droplets"? Thors Catholic Hammer :D Do you mean HUGE microscopic droplets exist as well, you stupid parrot? Typical over-qualifications from you, a common rhetorical trick to make your garbage sound more factual. Right from the get-go, you're tripping over your feet.

You're more likely to catch COVID-19 just by being at the same Mass with an infected person, regardless of how you receive Communion. Like always, you choose to ignore the obvious in favor of your own neurotic fixation on a contrived scenario you invented.

This fictitious "clumsy priest" exists only in your own mind. Somehow you've developed this paranoid delusion he's jamming his fingers his fingers into every parishioner's mouth.

Simply put, it doesn't happen except in your fantasy world where Benedict XVI never resigned and still wears the Papal Ring. That's the only place this ever happens. It doesn't happen in the real world.

As always, you expose how little Faith you truly have, either in the Sacrament or in Christ. I believe that Christ would simply refuse to allow germs to be spread via His Body or that He would allow His priests to serve as a disease vector..

No, I'm not saying the Eucharist "kills germs" or that the priests fingers do either. I've seen you deliberately misrepresent that statement enough times, just like you do with everything that contradicts one of your asinine fixations.

If we as Catholics accept that the celebrating priest turns unleavened bread into the literal Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ Himself, it's a small step to accept the likelihood God simply won't allow His Body or His ministers to spread germs.

What happens during Communion? A miracle. We partake of Christ Himself. Mundane germs crawling around here and there simply have no place in that event.

Every time you start ranting about this subject you betray your own purely secular and temporal perception of the Mass and the Eucharist.

You don't truly believe in Transubstantiation and it shows. It isn't entirely your fault. You've been horribly catechized by post-Vatican Council II modernists. The Novus Ordo Masses were designed to de-emphasize the Divine and focus on the parish community.

At the Masses you attend the Eucharist is sacred with a small "s".and it's casually handed out like potato crisps by your fellow parishioners. Little wonder you look at the Sacrament in purely mundane terms.

Once again, the heavy underlining and big bold headlines appear when you're telling lies.

"Poster @Ultraviolet is fanatically opposed to communion in the hand."

The Church recognizes communion in the hand as a valid way of administering the Sacrament and so I defer to the wisdom of The Church. I personally dislike it. I personally find it disrespectful, but the Church has the final say. So again, you're a liar, Thor. That's what you do. You lie.
Thors Catholic Hammer
Instead of argument all you offer are perpetual insults.
Your judgemental attitude to the faith of others is truly odious in the extreme.
Your lies, superstitions and abuse are contaminating the forum .
All in all you typify the very very worst sort of ultra self righteous so called trad Latin catholic believer who repulses everybody.
Ultraviolet
Show where I lied, Crackers. If you can't, that in itself is a lie. Proving someone lied is an easy task. You give me constant practice.I present the falsehood with a direct quote and then demonstrate that it is false.
Abuse? Oh? So now you're back to playing the victim are you? Calling another user "the clown poster" is abuse.
I point it out only now only as an example of your double-standards …More
Show where I lied, Crackers. If you can't, that in itself is a lie. Proving someone lied is an easy task. You give me constant practice.I present the falsehood with a direct quote and then demonstrate that it is false.

Abuse? Oh? So now you're back to playing the victim are you? Calling another user "the clown poster" is abuse.

I point it out only now only as an example of your double-standards. You're complaining about the very thing you do on a daily basis.Oh, not just to me. Pope Francis gets sprayed with much worse filth from your keyboard.

Have you read your own posts lately? They've gotten worse. Now that I've stripped away your laughable attempts at playing "canon lawyer" all you have left is abuse. And lies. And repetition. Can't forget those. Not that anyone ever could. You make it impossible.. ;-)

This isn't a "forum" either, dummy.
Thors Catholic Hammer
@Ultraviolet
There are indeed some clumsy priests whose fingers transfer saliva from other communicants when giving communion orally.
I have personally experienced this ugly phenomenon
Your view is that Christ in the Eucharist will kill any viruses in that saliva.
You then the seek to force that view on everybody.
I say why take the risk when it’s obviously safer to receive on the hand.
Many catholic …More
@Ultraviolet

There are indeed some clumsy priests whose fingers transfer saliva from other communicants when giving communion orally.
I have personally experienced this ugly phenomenon
Your view is that Christ in the Eucharist will kill any viruses in that saliva.
You then the seek to force that view on everybody.
I say why take the risk when it’s obviously safer to receive on the hand.
Many catholic bishops agree with me.
You are contemptuous of normal hygiene and health safety precautions.
This is clearly connected to your religious fanaticism which rejects all God given reason and logic.
Ultraviolet
"I have personally experienced this ugly phenomenon"
Your Fallacy is arguing from "anecdotal evidence" (see pic below)
This fallacy is compounded by your willingness to lie about everything and anyone whenever it suits your purpose.
"Your view is that Christ in the Eucharist will kill any viruses in that saliva."
Perfect example of you telling a lie.
I just literally said the exact oppositeMore
"I have personally experienced this ugly phenomenon"

Your Fallacy is arguing from "anecdotal evidence" (see pic below)

This fallacy is compounded by your willingness to lie about everything and anyone whenever it suits your purpose.

"Your view is that Christ in the Eucharist will kill any viruses in that saliva."

Perfect example of you telling a lie.

I just literally said the exact opposite because I knew you were going to telling the lie you just told. Direct quote from me:

"No, I'm not saying the Eucharist "kills germs" or that the priests fingers do either. I've seen you deliberately misrepresent that statement enough times, just like you do with everything that contradicts one of your asinine fixations."

...and then like a stupid brainless parrot you told the lie anyway!

"You then the seek to force that view on everybody."

...said the man who attacks everyone who doesn't share his views on Pope Francis.

...said the man who attacks everyone who doesn't share his views on communion on the hand.

...said the man who attacks everyone over the differences and inferiority of the Novus Ordo Mass compared to the Latin Mass.

There are a bunch other examples where you've gone after other people like Matty and Dr Bogus over your random fixations, but I'm charitably not counting them.

"Many catholic bishops agree with me."

They also agree Francis is Pope. Your move, Crackers. ;-)
Thors Catholic Hammer
The clown poster @Ultraviolet fails totally to understand that airborne respiratory viruses are airborne in tiny microscopic droplets of fluid.
The fluid resides in the oral and nasal cavities of persons suffering an infection they are,e expelled when that person coughs sneezes and sometimes even when they breath.
Anybody receiving communion on the tongue needs their head examined as the possibility …
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The clown poster @Ultraviolet fails totally to understand that airborne respiratory viruses are airborne in tiny microscopic droplets of fluid.
The fluid resides in the oral and nasal cavities of persons suffering an infection they are,e expelled when that person coughs sneezes and sometimes even when they breath.
Anybody receiving communion on the tongue needs their head examined as the possibility of saliva transference from communicants to communicants via a clumsy priests fingers is high.
Communion in the hand is the most hygienic method.
Many bishops now understand this but sadly. It all.
Poster @Ultraviolet is fanatically opposed to communion in the hand and therefore must want everybody to be infected.
Ultraviolet
Every time Thors Catholic Hammer starts hitting the solid bold sentences and heavy underlining, it's a reliable sign he's telling a falsehood and trying to force it on everyone as fact.
"For these bishops to then pretend there is no comparable risk between communion in the hand and the tongue is ludicrous."
For catching an airborne respiratory virus, they're correct. There IS no comparable risk. …More
Every time Thors Catholic Hammer starts hitting the solid bold sentences and heavy underlining, it's a reliable sign he's telling a falsehood and trying to force it on everyone as fact.

"For these bishops to then pretend there is no comparable risk between communion in the hand and the tongue is ludicrous."

For catching an airborne respiratory virus, they're correct. There IS no comparable risk.

You're just parroting the same nonsense from your germ-obsession courtesy of the Irish Times as you do with your "aunty pope bergoglio" obsession. Repetition of falsehoods doesn't make them true, Thor.
Thors Catholic Hammer
These guidelines show just how out of touch with reality most of these bishops are.
When a priest gives communion on the tongue sometimes saliva transfers to his fingers.This is UNAVOIDABLE.
This saliva is then transferred to the next communicant
.
For these bishops to then pretend there is no comparable risk between communion in the hand and the tongue is ludicrous.
Saliva is an ideal medium for …More
These guidelines show just how out of touch with reality most of these bishops are.
When a priest gives communion on the tongue sometimes saliva transfers to his fingers.This is UNAVOIDABLE.
This saliva is then transferred to the next communicant
.
For these bishops to then pretend there is no comparable risk between communion in the hand and the tongue is ludicrous.
Saliva is an ideal medium for viral transfer.
There is no saliva on the hand and as such it it is logically and obviously the more hygienic method to receive the Host.
( Que howls from the haters in the so called “catholic “ Latin mass fanatical brigade who want communion in the hand banned)
De Profundis
GChevalier
We're in the middle of surrealism! The conciliator, whether she's a traditionalist or not, is completely crazy. We see here that we are dealing not with the Catholic Church, but with usurpers who have a Catholic in name only: these directives, whether they come from the conciliar authorities (in France it is already effective) or from the tradis, are to be absolutely rejected. Every Catholic is here …More
We're in the middle of surrealism! The conciliator, whether she's a traditionalist or not, is completely crazy. We see here that we are dealing not with the Catholic Church, but with usurpers who have a Catholic in name only: these directives, whether they come from the conciliar authorities (in France it is already effective) or from the tradis, are to be absolutely rejected. Every Catholic is here entitled to disobey, and how? By continuing to receive Communion on their knees and on their tongues without taking care of these tricks (on condition that they attend valid and licit Masses if they still exist...).
GChevalier
Latin Mass Society: Coronavirus, la Messe latine traditionnelle et la réception de la communion
catholique.forumactif.com/t707-news-au-3-mars-2020
Déclaration sur le Covid-19 (Coronavirus) et la réception de la Sainte Communion lors des célébrations de la Messe selon la forme extraordinaire, de l'English Latin Mass Society (2 mars) :
Les évêques d'Angleterre et du Pays de Galles ont publié des …More
Latin Mass Society: Coronavirus, la Messe latine traditionnelle et la réception de la communion
catholique.forumactif.com/t707-news-au-3-mars-2020
Déclaration sur le Covid-19 (Coronavirus) et la réception de la Sainte Communion lors des célébrations de la Messe selon la forme extraordinaire, de l'English Latin Mass Society (2 mars) :

Les évêques d'Angleterre et du Pays de Galles ont publié des "Directives" (datées du 27 février 2020) sur les mesures à prendre dans les paroisses en ce qui concerne la propagation éventuelle de COVID-19 (le coronavirus).

Tout en notant que ces lignes directrices ne prennent pas la forme d'un décret ayant force de loi canonique, nous les accueillons favorablement. Nous souhaitons apporter les précisions suivantes sur leur application aux célébrations de la forme extraordinaire et aux autres rites et usages traditionnels de l'Église latine, tels que le rite dominicain.

1. Dans ces célébrations, le signe de paix n'est pas donné parmi les membres de la congrégation ; le Précieux Sang du Calice n'est pas distribué aux fidèles ; et les ministres extraordinaires de la Sainte Communion ne sont pas employés. À ces égards, ces célébrations respectent déjà ou rendent inutiles les recommandations données dans les lignes directrices pour un niveau d'hygiène accru nécessaire en cas d'épidémie plus grave du virus.

2. Lors de ces célébrations, la Sainte Communion (l'Hostie) ne peut être distribuée en main propre, conformément au droit liturgique universel qui leur est applicable. Si la propagation de COVID-19 nécessitait la suspension de la distribution de la Sainte Communion sur la langue, cela signifierait la suspension de la distribution de la Sainte Communion aux fidèles lors de ces célébrations.

La Communion des fidèles n'est en aucun cas nécessaire à la validité ou au caractère licite (dans de telles circonstances) de la Messe. Si la prudence dicte la nécessité d'une telle mesure, les fidèles devraient être encouragés à faire une "communion spirituelle". Une formule pour faire une telle Communion Spirituelle est donnée ici.

3. Nous souhaitons toutefois faire remarquer que la distribution de l'Hostie dans la main ne semble pas moins susceptible de propager l'infection que la distribution sur la langue. Au contraire, la distribution dans la main a pour conséquence que l'Hostie touche des surfaces potentiellement infectées, la paume de la main gauche et les doigts de la main droite du communiant, ce qui est évité lors de la distribution par un prêtre directement sur la langue du communiant.

Les lignes directrices précisent :

Lorsque vous donnez la communion dans la main, veillez à placer l'hostie dans la main du destinataire de manière à ne pas toucher ses mains.
Dans le même esprit, la distribution de l'hostie sur la langue ne doit jamais impliquer le contact de la langue du communiant par le prêtre.
L'instruction et la formation sur la manière correcte de distribuer la Sainte Communion sur la langue, à ceux qui ne sont pas habitués à cette manière de distribution, peuvent être utiles dans ce contexte.

[Nous sommes en plein surréalisme ! La conciliaire, qu'elle soit tradi ou pas est complètement folle. On voit ici qu'on a à faire, non à l’Église catholique, mais à des usurpateurs qui n'ont de catholique que le nom : ces directives, qu'elles viennent des autorités conciliaires (en France c'est déjà effectif) ou des tradis, sont à rejeter absolument. Tout catholique est ici en droit de désobéir, et comment ? En continuant de communier à genoux et sur la langue sans s'occuper de ces fourbes (à condition d'assister à des messes valides et licites s'il en existe encore...).
>>> Réaction justifiée d'une laïque]
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