SSPX: How is disobedience a good thing?

@Alex A You still haven’t denied that you are a Freemason or a Freemason sympathizer. Catholicism and Freemasonry are irreconcilable and diametrically opposed. What then brings you here on GTV to comment on Catholic matters?

You ought to be the one removing yourself from here.

Apologist for a devil.

I ought not be surprised. That’s what your side does.

@Ultraviolet I am grateful to God and you for the way we have recently been exchanging, may it continue.

My point is “that it is beautiful” ought not be the reason we go to Mass and use that to disparage and denigrate another valid form of the Mass.

I'd argue "that it is beautiful" is, however, a perfectly valid reason for choosing one form of the Mass over an other. Yes, I fully acknowledge the Church officially percives no difference between the "ordinary" and "extraordinary" forms. That said, Mass... more precisely the liturgy, is the participation of the People of God in "the work of God." (CCC 1069)

All the "beauty" Catholics have poured into all aspects of the liturgy from the building and the vestments to the music and the rubrics is to that end: the work of God.

It is a human attempt, using all our God-given aesthetic discernment and artistic skills to give glory to God.

By contrast, modern Novus Ordo parishes seem hell-bent on deliberately stripping any visual reference to God from their churches. They've expunged that "beauty" on behalf of, well, whatever is motivating them to create stark, sterile all-white churches with no artwork of any sort at all and one or two small, easily disposed-of crucifixes.

The -absence- of that beauty and even moreso the Novus Ordo restructuring of the liturgy today is a perfectly valid reason to, as you put it, "disparage and denigrate another valid forms of the Mass".

Modern liturgies continually reduce the function of the celebrating priest increasingly to that of a spectator at function conducted by the laity.

Depending on the parish, the priest doesn't read the readings, he doesn't give the sermon, he doesn't distribute Communion, he doesn't do much at all. If it weren't for those archaic requirement that he actually perform the consecration and say the words himself, he wouldn't participate at all.

Such modern churches and modern forms of the liturgy be valid, the Church say it is so, and unlike so many here (no reference to you, btw) I defer to the Church's decision. That said, it's impossible to equate the traditional and the modern in terms of aesthetic intent, either in the Mass or the churches themselves.

The Traditional uses the richness of human talent to give glory to God.

The Modern gives glory to God by making His earthly home and His liturgy as empty, barren and meaningless as humanly possible.

"Suppose where you are there was Mass by SSPX and your local OF parish. Which one would you attend to fulfill your Sunday and Holyday of obligations, and why?" -F M Shyanguya

Your question assumes the SSPX is the only group offering Latin Mass. On what grounds? They're not.

Your question also assumes I would confine myself to local parishes only. On what grounds? Many at my "regular" parish have an hour commute each way on Sunday.

Your question further assumes I am unable to go online and utilize any of the helpful sites listed below to expand my choices. On what grounds?

Lastly, your question assumes I don't plan ahead in the fulfillment of my obligations as a Catholic. Again, on what grounds?

The only thing your question correctly assumes is a fallacy of a false dilemma, one these sites can readily disprove ;-)

Protip: the first site is exceptionally good and up to date.

www.latinmassdir.org/country/us/
www.latinmasstimes.com
www.ecclesiadei.org/masses.cfm

"Suppose those were the only two choices I had..."

"No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to." -Morpheus, The Matrix (1999).

Like Mr. Fishburne's famous character, I'm trying to tell you that technology and careful planning means you won't have to make that choice in the first place. If you insist on going to a Latin Mass on Sunday and you want one where you're certain the celebrant is in full communion with the Church, like the saying goes, "that's what the app is for."

Okay, I didn't link an app, per se. I linked a bunch of websites but the first one functions very much like an app. So if work or vacation travel has interrupted your regular parish attendance, then this is something you have to plan for a couple of days in advance, not on Saturday night.

Hit the site, find out what's in your immediat travel-range/ commuting window. Get the names of the parishes, double-check, call ahead.

Getting older gives a person a unique perspective on the complaints the younger generations. They, in turn, mock us with the often repeated parody, "When I was your age, I had to walk five miles to school through the snow, uphill both ways!" What they forget is at one time there was some truth to that.

I can still vividly remember the pre-internet era. People had to look everything up in a print copy. Sometimes just finding the necessary print copy itself meant hours, sometimes days, of research and phone calls. Things moved at a slower pace, but that pace was a lot tougher. It wasn't just "swiping" a touch screen or Ask Alexa.

Since the technology exists now, great. Use it. I -do- understand the question you're asking, but the question's dilemma itself is artificial. It's really just a decision of how seriously you take your faith and how strongly that seriousness compels you.

There are people I know first-hand who drive a LOT farther than I do to get the Mass they want. I have to get up at dawn to travel. Some of these other people are getting up in the dark and they're already on the road at dawn, especially the ones with big families. The dedication they have doesn't fully sink in until winter rolls through the region. I'm having a tough commute in and they're STILL managing to get to Mass EVERY Sunday in February.

@Ultraviolet I will answer my own question in an article. Look out for it. Thank you for your witness RE the sacrifices for the love of the LORD. God is not outdone in generosity.

Matrix, love I & II, but like the first Star Wars trilogies, the third is anticlimactic for me.

No offense, but if you can answer your own question then you didn't need ot ask me. :P As for the Matrix...eh. First one was verygood, the other two has a lot of not-so hidden left-wing agenda pushing I didn't fancy. Watchingpeople doing kung-fu for five minutes straight throughout the movies old kinda fast.

Y U NO LIEK Jedi? o.O Maaan,.. Big Bad Boba Fett got his butt kicked by Blind Solo, screamed like a little girl and got eaten by the Sarlacc. Whole movie's worth watchin' just for that. The heart-breaking death-bed reconcilliation between Luke and his dad? Epic. Admiral Ackbar? It's been thirty years now and one three word sentence from a talking octopus is still goin' strong online!

...and uh.. you know.. Bronze Bikini Leia was, ah... very easy on the eyes. too, y'know what I'm sayin'? ;-)

Correction: ‘The Empire strikes back’ was the first I watched and is my favorite.

“...and uh.. you know.. Bronze Bikini Leia was, ah... very easy on the eyes. too, y'know what I'm sayin'? ;-)”

Not when the “she” turns out to be a “he”.

@Ultraviolet

I finally got to it:

Choice only between OF Mass and SSPX Mass. What do you do? What do you do?