2023 and 2024: No One Dared to Ask Francis to Allow the Roman Rite

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2023 and 2024: No One Dared to Ask Francis to Allow the Roman Rite

Following the election of Pope Leo IX, Christian Marquant of PaixLiturgique.com wrote a letter on behalf of around 70 Roman rite groups, requesting permission to hold a Mass in St Peter's during their annual pilgrimage to Rome at the end of October.

On 25 October, Marquant told ApNews.com that Cardinal Burke had given the letter to Pope Leo XIV during an audience on 22 August. Leo XIV granted permission.

Francis had also allowed Latin Masses to be celebrated in the basilica, even after his crackdown in 2021, but only by low-ranking priests.

Marquant said that in 2023 and 2024, they could not find anyone willing to approach Francis to ask permission.

During Mass on Saturday, Cardinal Burke did not mention Pope Francis, his crackdown, or Pope Leo XIV in his homily. Instead, he spoke repeatedly about Benedict XVI and the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, treating it as if it were still in force.

The Cardinal said that through Benedict’s reform, 'the whole Church is maturing in an ever deeper understanding and love for the great gift of the sacred liturgy, as it has been handed down to us in an unbroken line from the Apostolic Tradition, from the Apostles and their successors'.

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Lionel Leslie AndradesOct 29

Here is Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 in Vatican Council II which Cardinal Burke and Roberto dei Mattei interpret irrationally at the Latin Mass. For me the red is not an exception for the blue and so the Council does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. But for Cardinal Nurke and Robeeto dei Mattei the red passages contradict the blue passages and so Vatican Council II is a break with the ecclesiology of the Roman Missal. This is how Cardinal Cupich and Bishops Sanborn and Pvarunas interpret Lumen Gentium 14 and Ad Gentes 7. The sedevacantists do not offer the Latin Mass with the same ecclesiology as the Cathollic Church in the Middle Ages.

Lionel Leslie AndradesOct 29

Here is the Catechism of the Catholic Church which Cardinal Burke and Roberto dei Mattei interpret irrationally, schismatically and heretically at the Latin Mass at St.Peter's Basilica. They are politically correct with the Left at the Traditional Latin Mass which is not that of the Mass of the Ages.

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Lionel Leslie AndradesOct 29

Here is the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston with the hypothetical and invisible passage in 2025 not contradicting the orthodox passage in blue for me. But for Cardinal Burke and Roberto dei Mattei at the Latin Mass 'the red contradicts the blue'. This is the New Theology. It is the New Theology of Rahner-Ratzinger and Lefebvre. They were irrational. This is how Cardinal Blaise Cupic also interprets the 19490 Letter of the Holy Ofice. It is the same as the sedevacantists and traditionalists. It is with this error that there will be a Vatican visitation of the Emmanuel community. This is not apostolic.

Lionel Leslie AndradesOct 29

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The cardinal then recalled the 18th anniversary of the promulgation of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, with which Pope Benedict XVI made possible the regular celebration of Mass according to this form, in use since the time of St. Gregory the Great. “Let us give thanks to God,” he said, “because, through Summorum Pontificum, the whole Church is maturing in an ever deeper understanding and love for the great gift of the Sacred Liturgy, as it has been handed down to us in an unbroken line from the Apostolic Tradition, from the Apostles and their successors.”- Roberto de Mattei: "The Pontifical Mass at the Altar of the Chair of Saint Peter": An Event Far Greater than one Might Imagine Today ( Rorate Caeili)
Cardinal Burke and Roberto deo Mattei have accepted Vatican Council II irrational and so are not in schism for Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez. But Vaticam Council II irrational produces fake exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Athanasius Creed. So there is a new version of the Creeds and Councils. This is schism with the magisterium of the 16th century at the Latin Mass with the Roman Missal. There were no known exceptions for the Roman Missal at that time. It is schism with the Church Fathers. Vatican Council II irrational is schism with the apostles. So this is the theology of Cardinal Burke and Roberto dei Mattei at the Latin Mass today. This is not the theology of the Mass of the Ages. attei has also written a book on Vatican Council II with the Council interpreted irrationally. He does not comment or apologise for the mistake.
I interpret Vatican Council II rationally and I affirm the Athanasius Creed etc in the original with no exceptions. For me 'the red is not an exception for the blue'. But for them heretically 'the red is an exception for the blue.'
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Lionel Leslie AndradesOct 29

Here we see that the passages in red refer to hypotheical and invisible cases and so they do not contradict the passage in blue. But for Cardinal Burke and Roberto dei Mattei they are exceptions. The red passages contradict the blue passages. So Vatican Council II which they accept offiically, is a rupture with the ecclesiology of the Roman Missal. They do not state that they accept Vatican Council II interpreted rationally.

john333Oct 28edited

Oil and water tradition vs VII, Weeds of VII planted by modernist will be burned in the unending fire in Gods good time . St Gabriel pray for us

OrthocatOct 28

True dat. Francis was just a nasty grumpy old man. He cultivated an atmosphere of fear in the Vatican. [this is a repost since I mistakenly had it as a reply to an unrelated comment in this thread]

P. O'BOct 27

"...great gift of the sacred liturgy, as it has been handed down to us in an unbroken line from the Apostolic Tradition, from the Apostles and their successors." Nice try, Cardinal Burke. But the line was broken after Vatican II and is now just hanging on by a thread.

Lionel Leslie AndradesOct 28

Vatican Council II irrational does not come from the Apostolic Tradition!

Lionel Leslie AndradesOct 27

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WHEN POPE LEO AFFIRMS VATICAN COUNCIL II RATIONALLY HE AFFIRMS FEENEYITE EENS. THE COUNCIL IS ECCLESIOCENTRIC WITH NO EXCEPTIONS FOR TRADITION : 98 QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS (UPDATED)
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Wilma LopezOct 27

Cardinal Burke at Saturday's Vatican Latin Mass -- “we cannot help but think of the faithful who, throughout the Christian centuries, have encountered Our Lord and deepened their life in Him, through this venerable form of the Roman Rite”

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Oct 27

Wishful thinking? "Leo XIV, by authorizing the Mass at Saint Peter's, has put an end to the most drastic season of the Liturgical War."

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OrthocatOct 27

True dat. Francis was just a grumpy old man. He cultivated an atmosphere of fear in the Vatican.

Sally DormanOct 27

Here is how the altar should be.

Boanerges BoanergesOct 27

No one dared to denounce sodomy in that very same Basilica or the false teachings of Prevost

Opera 369Oct 26

There is no "Church" and there is no "Vatican" ...without TRADITION! In the '60's the popes then opened up "for fresh air' and instead the 'smoke of Satan' (non-Catholics mainly) entered the Vatican. In 2013 a 'dubious pope' brought in Pachamama, vile heads of countries and a very odd looking 'rainbow' flag... The 'demolition' of Tradition is ongoing and those doing it or allowing this to happen, would rather discuss "environment" (similarly to aka Francis discussing "welcoming migrants" (to the point of no return).

Lionel Leslie AndradesOct 28

la verdad prevaleceOct 26edited

And Burke pretends that the rebellion in Italy against God and the Church is not being led by Prevost and Zuppi and their cronies.
Zuppi's Italian Apostate Bishops’ Pseudo Synod Accepts Homosex Document, Supports Homosexual Marches
Italian Bishops’ Synod Accepts Homosex Document, … PRO GAY APOSTATE Matteo Zuppi, 70, apostate President of the Italian bishops, said that after the approval, “it is now the task of the priests to take it all on board, identify priorities, and involve old and new forces to give substance to the words”.

giveusthisdayOct 26

Sorry, la verdad, Cardinal Burke's initiative, a beautiful tribute in the Latin Rite to Christ the King, meeting with Pax Liturgica, procession and Rosary, as well as Tridentine Mass in the Basilica doesn't fit with the obvious abuses and blasphemies of Pope Leo and Pope Francis. Thank God for Cardinal Burke.

la verdad prevaleceOct 26edited

The mass is offered una cum in full communion with the apostate Prevost and Burke made the pilgrimage in collaboration with pro-homosexual Matteo Zuppi.

la verdad prevaleceOct 26

In the Apocalypse God rebukes that church that tolerates the anti-doctrine that perverts the children of God and teaches them to defy the laws of God by committing sexual immorality (Amoris Laetitia and Fiducia Supplicans and the Pseudo Synod of Synodality) by making them eat sacrilegious food sacrificed to idols (to the false gods of the false religions promoted by Abu Dhabi and Laudato Si (Nostra aetate). Burke's problem is that he exchanges his offspring for a plate of lentils and sells them to apostate priests, homosexual activist heretics whom Burke considers his brothers (Prevost, Tucho, Zuppi, Cupich, etc). For there can be no communion between the generation of God and the children of Satan.
Italian Synod Proposes Recognising Homosexuality and Supporting Homosexual MarcheA Message From Our Lady - Akita, Japan: The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.
"The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will be no longer pardon for them"