Maybe this diocese will go bancrupt... (bad implementation of TC)
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Let me quote Fr. Hunwicke:
"Are you obliged to obey PF [or BoC] if he attempts to prevent you from using the Traditional Form of the Roman Rite? Most certainly not. He is only the Pope; he has no right to overrule Holy Tradition. A pope cannot "do anything". (I think I've remembered that from somebody else's words ... I must try to identify the quotation ...)
He has no more right than I do.
He has …More
Let me quote Fr. Hunwicke:
"Are you obliged to obey PF [or BoC] if he attempts to prevent you from using the Traditional Form of the Roman Rite? Most certainly not. He is only the Pope; he has no right to overrule Holy Tradition. A pope cannot "do anything". (I think I've remembered that from somebody else's words ... I must try to identify the quotation ...)
He has no more right than I do.
He has no more right than your Aunt Mavis does.
He has no more right to order you to set aside Holy Tradition than do Aunt Mavis's little twins Nicolas and Nicola ...
Even if all six of us order you to dump Tradition ... Me; Mavis; Nicola; Nicolas; Nicola's teddy-bear Wilfrid; and PF [and BoC, all the parish and/or diocesan soviets there, all the mulieres idoneae at pulpits there, etc.] ... and if we all order you simultaneously ... while waggling, each of us, a great big nasty club with a nail in it ... we are all acting ultra our vires. "
liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com/2021/07/s-pius-v-and-traditionis-custodes.html
"Are you obliged to obey PF [or BoC] if he attempts to prevent you from using the Traditional Form of the Roman Rite? Most certainly not. He is only the Pope; he has no right to overrule Holy Tradition. A pope cannot "do anything". (I think I've remembered that from somebody else's words ... I must try to identify the quotation ...)
He has no more right than I do.
He has no more right than your Aunt Mavis does.
He has no more right to order you to set aside Holy Tradition than do Aunt Mavis's little twins Nicolas and Nicola ...
Even if all six of us order you to dump Tradition ... Me; Mavis; Nicola; Nicolas; Nicola's teddy-bear Wilfrid; and PF [and BoC, all the parish and/or diocesan soviets there, all the mulieres idoneae at pulpits there, etc.] ... and if we all order you simultaneously ... while waggling, each of us, a great big nasty club with a nail in it ... we are all acting ultra our vires. "
liturgicalnotes.blogspot.com/2021/07/s-pius-v-and-traditionis-custodes.html
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On the contrary @John A Cassani TLM parishes tend to attract well-educated, financially successful parishioners. At one TLM-only parish, the pastor mentioned in the bulletin that major rennovations would have to be delayed until next year. The reason? Meeting current code standards would cost over two hundred grand. A month later, a bulletin contained his discrete, heartfelt thanks to the (anonymous …More
On the contrary @John A Cassani TLM parishes tend to attract well-educated, financially successful parishioners. At one TLM-only parish, the pastor mentioned in the bulletin that major rennovations would have to be delayed until next year. The reason? Meeting current code standards would cost over two hundred grand. A month later, a bulletin contained his discrete, heartfelt thanks to the (anonymous) parishioner who "absorbed" the full cost. One person picked up a two hundred thousand dollar tab without flinching. Think on that.
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@Ultraviolet What you say is true, but I predict that the hatred for the TLM is so great, that bishops will destroy successful parishes before allowing their success to become well known. In fact, TC looks like it gives carte blanche to bishops to suppress personal parishes. No TLM community is safe, in general, but they are sitting ducks if they occupy property under the bishop’s direct control …More
@Ultraviolet What you say is true, but I predict that the hatred for the TLM is so great, that bishops will destroy successful parishes before allowing their success to become well known. In fact, TC looks like it gives carte blanche to bishops to suppress personal parishes. No TLM community is safe, in general, but they are sitting ducks if they occupy property under the bishop’s direct control, and getting a the average bishop to recognize the success of TLM communities is the equivalent of trying to get a liberal to understand that the jab is a complete failure. It’s a fool’s errand.
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Predictions are best left to prophets and seers. ;-) Remember, GTV's Self-Appointed Official Seer, has a 100% accuracy rate on formal predictions. Nearly all the informal ones come true as well. :D
Bishops come in two general flavors, ideologues and administrators.
Sadly, you're right when it comes to the ideologues. Most of them despise the Latin Mass and will do anything to destroy it, even to …More
Predictions are best left to prophets and seers. ;-) Remember, GTV's Self-Appointed Official Seer, has a 100% accuracy rate on formal predictions. Nearly all the informal ones come true as well. :D
Bishops come in two general flavors, ideologues and administrators.
Sadly, you're right when it comes to the ideologues. Most of them despise the Latin Mass and will do anything to destroy it, even to the extent of hurting their own profits.
Happily, administrator-bishops base their decisions on their account ledgers. It may be cynical of me to say this, but that's the true basis of the TLM's rise in popularity. The faitful may ask for TLM and they may attend TLM when it's there, but administrator-bishops wouldn't care, if those were the only components.
What they care about is revenue and TLM is a big money-maker. Big donatons/ tithes mean a lot of money getting siphoned off from the parish straight to the diocese. Even the bishops who have Novus Ordo sympathies can recognize one of "those TLM parishes" can keep a few of their preferred (and dying) Novus Ordo parishes functional for a long, long time.
"getting a the average bishop to recognize the success of TLM communities is..."
Depends on the average bishop. ;-) If he's an administrator-type, one financial presentation and portfolio sent to his CFO will sell him on the idea. Bishops like that are no different than any other business executive: they goes where the money is. :)
Bishops come in two general flavors, ideologues and administrators.
Sadly, you're right when it comes to the ideologues. Most of them despise the Latin Mass and will do anything to destroy it, even to the extent of hurting their own profits.
Happily, administrator-bishops base their decisions on their account ledgers. It may be cynical of me to say this, but that's the true basis of the TLM's rise in popularity. The faitful may ask for TLM and they may attend TLM when it's there, but administrator-bishops wouldn't care, if those were the only components.
What they care about is revenue and TLM is a big money-maker. Big donatons/ tithes mean a lot of money getting siphoned off from the parish straight to the diocese. Even the bishops who have Novus Ordo sympathies can recognize one of "those TLM parishes" can keep a few of their preferred (and dying) Novus Ordo parishes functional for a long, long time.
"getting a the average bishop to recognize the success of TLM communities is..."
Depends on the average bishop. ;-) If he's an administrator-type, one financial presentation and portfolio sent to his CFO will sell him on the idea. Bishops like that are no different than any other business executive: they goes where the money is. :)
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The bishops love the Novus Ordo service because it destroys the faith of Catholics
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Good luck forbidding Extreme Unction. As far as dioceses going bankrupt, they all will, eventually, aside from the ones underwritten by deep pocketed globalists. I imagine Charleston is among these.
