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Francis: Who Doesn't Follow Vatican II Is Outside The Church - Except the Modernists

Vatican II is "the magisterium of the Church,” Francis proclaimed in a January 30 address to Italian Bishops' National Catechetical Office.

While Francis is usually indifferent regarding dogmatic matters, he was suddenly all black-and-white, “Either you are with the Church and therefore follow the Council, or you do not follow the Council or interpret it in your own way, according to your desire, you do not stand with the Church.” Francis admitted that in this point, he is “demanding” and “severe,” adding that “the Council must not be negotiated.”

He condemned "selectivity" with respect to Vatican II, although it is common-place especially among Modernists, including Francis. Forgetting all pious ecumenical intentions, he even compared critics of Vatican II to the Old Catholics with whom the Vatican fosters an official dialogue.

Francis asked that there be “no concessions” to those who present a catechesis that doesn't agree with the Magisterium of the Church, although in all Western countries, this is the rule, and Francis does nothing about it.

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Scapular
Great anathemas are back!
Scapular
Hamlet: "Methinks the lady doth protest too much"
One more comment from Scapular
Scapular
Yes Our Lady requested the third secret (not just the vision)be released a.On Sister Lucia’s death or b. Latest 1960. After 1960 the Shadow Church took control and we entered the cult of man. Example the Tabernacle was separated from the Altar of Sacrifice the centre and man’s chair replaced it, altar rails for adoration were removed and we stood as if equal to God and the Protestants rejoiced.
Tony M
Relating to my comment below, the full Rorate Caeli link with commentary from Argentinian Catholic journalist, Marcelo González, published on the day Bergoglio was supposedly 'elected', March13, 2013 is:-
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com
Tony M
Dear Jorge B, "He who serially teaches heresy, to the Church & the world, is outside the Church!!!
Just as 1+1 does not equal 3, so too a heretic cannot be the Pope....the infallible Rock on which the Church is built......"

The brazen audacity of the one who serially communicates heresies to the entire Church, has sanctioned sacrilegious communion (as per Amoris Laetitia), and who before the …More
Dear Jorge B, "He who serially teaches heresy, to the Church & the world, is outside the Church!!!
Just as 1+1 does not equal 3, so too a heretic cannot be the Pope....the infallible Rock on which the Church is built......"

The brazen audacity of the one who serially communicates heresies to the entire Church, has sanctioned sacrilegious communion (as per Amoris Laetitia), and who before the world presided over idolatrous Pachamama worshipping in the Vatican, to be telling faithful, orthodox Catholics that they are outside the Church, takes my breath away!!!
Given that this man was well entrenched in his heretical ways decades before he presumed the Chair of Peter, his election could never have been valid in the first place. It is absurd to think that he, Bergoglio, suddenly adopted all his current heretical positions, only after his supposed election to the Chair of Peter.
See this..... published March13, 2013 :- rorate-caeli.blogspot.com

Pope Pius IV (1499-1565)
"We declare that if ever it should appear that any bishop, even one acting as an Archbishop, Patriarch, or Primate, or a Cardinal of the Roman Church, or a legate, or even the Roman Pontiff, whether prior to his promotion to Cardinal, or prior to his election as Roman Pontiff, has beforehand deviated from the Catholic Faith or fallen into any heresy, we enact, we decree, we determine, we define: Such promotion or election in and of itself, even with the agreement and unanimous consent of all the Cardinals, shall be null, legally invalid, and void.......Pope Paul IV (1555-1559), Bull "Cum ex Apostolatus Officio," February 16, 1559, sec. 9

Don't worry..... I am fully aware of all the other potential Canonical flaws in the process of the St Gallen Mafia group manufacturing Benedict's resignation & Bergoglio's supposed 'election'.

And from pre-Vatican II Canonists
thirdorderofsaintdominic.org/Prophetic Warnings.html
"Finally they cannot be numbered among the schismatics, who refuse to obey the Roman Pontiff because they consider his person to be suspect or doubtfully elected on account of rumors in circulation..." Wernz-Vidal: Ius Canonicum, Vol vii, n. 398.

"Nor is there any schism if one suspects the person of the pope or the validity of his election, or if one resists him as the civil head of a state." Szal, Rev Ignatius: Communication of Catholics with Schismatics, CUA, 1948, p.2

"Neither is someone a schismatic for denying his subjection to the Pontiff on the grounds that he has solidly founded [probabiliter] doubts concerning the legitimacy of his election or his power [refs to Sanchez and Palao]." de Lugo: Disp., De Virt. Fid. Div., disp xxv, sect iii, nn. 35-8
V.R.S.
Meanwhile, the postconciliar spring passed its midsummer's eve and turned into the mighty fall.
Ultraviolet
"or interpret it (Vatican Council II) in your own way, according to your desire, you do not stand with the Church". Thus, any interpretation of Vatican Council II, except one made by Pope Francis is "interpret(ing) it in your own way, according to your desire" and thus anyone doing so "do(es) not stand with the Church." This includes EVERY interpretation made by Pope Francis' supporters!

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"or interpret it (Vatican Council II) in your own way, according to your desire, you do not stand with the Church". Thus, any interpretation of Vatican Council II, except one made by Pope Francis is "interpret(ing) it in your own way, according to your desire" and thus anyone doing so "do(es) not stand with the Church." This includes EVERY interpretation made by Pope Francis' supporters!

Gotcha! :D:Oh, I love it when our Pontiff tries to get all "legal". He always shoots himself in the foot like this. Speaking of legal...
.Is Pope Francis speaking ex Cathedra on this point? Or is this just another one of his increasingly ill-tempered opinions?

From the sound of it, somebody just informed our pontiff that Traditionalist parishes are thriving and modern Vatican Council II parishes are not. :D No matter. The Church will outlive Pope Francis.
Hugh N. Cry
Proof is in the pudding. I’m beginning to think that the third secret of Fatima had more to do with Vatican II than Russia.
Seidenspinner
What does it mean to "follow a Council" that has very little dogmatic content, and is mostly comprised of pastoral, prudential decisions that of their nature cannot be binding on the faithful in the way that dogma is?
jamacor
Scapular
Yes Our Lady requested the third secret (not just the vision)be released a.On Sister Lucia’s death or b. Latest 1960. After 1960 the Shadow Church took control and we entered the cult of man. Example the Tabernacle was separated from the Altar of Sacrifice the centre and man’s chair replaced it, altar rails for adoration were removed and we stood as if equal to God and the Protestants rejoiced.
Seidenspinner
Modernists take note. Similarly all those who ripped out altar rails and banned latin/chant, or those who use the 'spirit' of the Council as justification for their private errors and heresies.
Scapular
Yes Our Lady requested the third secret (not just the vision)be released a.On Sister Lucia’s death or b. Latest 1960. After 1960 the Shadow Church took control and we entered the cult of man. Example the Tabernacle was separated from the Altar of Sacrifice the centre and man’s chair replaced it, altar rails for adoration were removed and we stood as if equal to God and the Protestants rejoiced.
Tesa
Viganò has said the council led to “the abdication of the Catholic Church" thanks to a "sensational deception".
Pope Innocent lll
I recently learned that Pope Paul Vl, when he was a bishop, met with the subversive Marxist Jew, Saul Alinsky, several times for discussions.
This is very disturbing and revealing. Bishop Montini was among people that included one of the most deceitful, evil, destructive people of the 20th century.
As Pope he betrayed our great Church of Christ terribly, many times.
He gave away to the world, …More
I recently learned that Pope Paul Vl, when he was a bishop, met with the subversive Marxist Jew, Saul Alinsky, several times for discussions.
This is very disturbing and revealing. Bishop Montini was among people that included one of the most deceitful, evil, destructive people of the 20th century.
As Pope he betrayed our great Church of Christ terribly, many times.
He gave away to the world, his papal crown and ring.
He stated that the United Nations was the best hope for world peace.
He was the one who signed the ambiguous, confusion causing, anti Catholic, Vatican ll documents.
- Almighty God bless thy faithful, we pray in the Holy Name of Jesus. Amen
Scapular
I bet evil C Bernadin arranged that.