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Leo XIV on Mass in Roman Rite: "Very Complicated", "Political Tool", "Very Unfortunate", "an Ideology"

CruxNow.com published on September 18 further excerpts of the interview with Pope Leo XIV. Main points on female ordination, homosexuals and the Mass in the Roman rite.

- I hope to continue in the footsteps of Francis, including in appointing women to some leadership roles at different levels in the Church’s life.

- I don’t have an intention of changing the teaching of the Church on the topic of female deacons. I think there are some previous questions that have to be asked.

- Why would we talk about ordaining women to the diaconate if the diaconate itself is not yet properly understood and properly developed and promoted within the Church?

Homosexuality: Rapprochement Without Formally Changing Church Teaching

- I was asked about the LGBT issue already a couple of times during these first couple of months. I recall something that a cardinal from the eastern part of the world said to me before I was pope, about “the western world is fixated, obsessed with sexuality.”

- Any issue dealing with the LGBTQ questions is highly polarizing within the Church. I’m trying not to continue to polarize or promote polarization in the Church.

- Francis was very clearly when he would say, ‘todos, todos, todos’. Everyone’s invited in, but I don’t invite a person in because they are or are not of any specific identity.

- We have to change attitudes before we even think about changing what the Church says about any given question. I find it highly unlikely, certainly in the near future, that the Church’s doctrine in terms of what the Church teaches about sexuality, what the Church teaches about marriage, will change.

- In Northern Europe they are already publishing rituals of blessing ‘people who love one another’, is the way they express it. This goes specifically against the document that Pope Francis approved, Fiducia Supplicans. It doesn’t look for a way of ritualizing some kind of blessing.

- Some people will make demands to say, “we want the recognition of gay marriage,” for example, or “we want recognition of people who are trans,” to say this is officially recognized and approved by the church. The individuals will be accepted and received.

“Is There Really Much Difference Between the Roman Rites?”

- I have already received a number of requests and letters about the ‘the Latin Mass.’ Well, you can say Mass in Latin right now. If it’s the Vatican II rite there’s no problem.

- Obviously, between the Tridentine Mass and the Vatican II Mass, the Mass of Paul VI, I’m not sure where that’s going to go. It’s obviously very complicated.

- I do know that part of that issue, unfortunately, has become – again, part of a process of polarization. People have used the liturgy as an excuse for advancing other topics. It’s become a political tool, and that’s very unfortunate.

- I think sometimes the, say, ‘abuse’ of the liturgy from what we call the Vatican II Mass, was not helpful for people who were looking for a deeper experience of prayer, of contact with the mystery of faith that they seemed to find in the celebration of the Tridentine Mass.

- Again, we’ve become polarized, so that instead of being able to say, well, if we celebrate the Vatican II liturgy in a proper way, do you really find that much difference between this experience and that experience?

- I have not had the chance to really sit down with a group of people who are advocating for the Tridentine rite. There’s an opportunity coming up soon, and I’m sure there will be occasions for that. But that is an issue that we have to sit down and talk about.

- It’s become the kind of issue that’s so polarized that people aren’t willing to listen to one another, oftentimes. […] It means we’re into ideology now, we’re no longer into the experience of Church communion.

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We are not merely complaining about the heretic who usurps the papacy and attempts to nullify God's law, but rather we are denouncing him because the truth will set many people free.

Complaining about the Pope is useless. Someone has to oppose him to his face.

Prevost also attempted to normalize Bergoglio's Fiducia Supplicans which promotes the blessing of the sin of sodomy.
According to Prevost's opinion, an unrepentant homosexual who rebels against God and who sexually abuses his brother, thereby committing a mutual spiritual suicide is not a bad person.
Note also that he is not calling them to repentance, but rather calling the Church to accept homosexual behavior.
Prevost: I’ve already spoken about marriage, as did Pope Francis when he was pope, about a family being a man and a woman in solemn commitment, blessed in the sacrament of marriage. But even to say that, I understand some people will take that badly. In Northern Europe they are already publishing rituals of blessing ‘people who love one another’, is the way they express it, which goes specifically against the document that Pope Francis approved, Fiducia Supplicans, which basically says, of course we can bless all people, but it doesn’t look for a way of ritualizing some kind of blessing because that’s not what the Church teaches. That doesn’t mean those people are bad people, but I think it’s very important, again, to understand how to accept others who are different than we are, how to accept people who make choices in their life and to respect them.
1 Thessalonians 4:3-8
New Catholic Bible
3 It is the will of God that you should lead a life of sanctity. You must refrain from sexual immorality. 4 Each of you must learn to acquire a wife from pure and honorable motives, 5 not to gratify passion[a] like the Gentiles who do not know God. 6 No one is ever to wrong or take advantage of a brother in this regard.
As we have previously instructed you and solemnly warned you, the Lord is the avenger in all this. 7 For God has called us to holiness, not to impurity. 8 Therefore, anyone who rejects these instructions[b] rejects not human authority but the God who also gives his Holy Spirit to you.
Footnotes

1 Thessalonians 4:5 Acquire a wife . . . gratify passion: another possible translation is: “control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable and not to succumb to lustful passion.”
1 Thessalonians 4:8 Instructions: this word does not necessarily refer to the sayings of Jesus but rather to guidelines set forth in the Holy Spirit.

St. Paul states that God has decreed eternal death for homosexuals (Rom 1:32), yet Prevost's message does not focus on calling them to repentance in order to save their souls, but rather advocates for the acceptance of those who live in mortal sin.

Cardinal Bergoglio Supported Same-Sex Civil Unions
In Argentina, while Bergoglio was secretly promoting disobedience to God's natural law and betraying the Catholic faith by supporting same-sex civil unions and gay adoption, he simultaneously tried to conceal this betrayal by stating that marriage is between a man and a woman, thus giving the impression that he was not changing Catholic doctrine, when in reality, he was abolishing it de facto.

It's worth remembering that the homosexual Víctor Fernández, using the same language, stated that "Pope Francis does not consider the issue of female deacons to be mature for discussion yet," adding that the possibility remains open.

The concept of "gradualism" was introduced during the first pseudo-Synod against family.
Similarly, in Argentina, one can observe Bergoglio's anti-Catholic and Gnostic mindset, as when he advocated for same-sex civil unions, claiming that Argentina was not yet "ready". This implied that he was more enlightened than others, who had not yet reached the necessary level of maturity. With *Fiducia Supplicans*, Tucho applied the same concept of gradualism, with the ultimate goal of achieving widespread acceptance of homosexuality, and thus, disobedience to God's law and the Church's doctrine.

Leo, the thoroughly modernist man who wants to destroy the Church by destroying her past. Little does he know that he is fighting against God.

The Scriptures teach that a father who loves his child will discipline him.
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Pope Leo XIV repeatedly positioned himself as the inheritor of Francis’s program, stressing continuity on synodality, women’s roles, ecumenism, curial reform, and liturgical disputes.

Who are these apostate priests who are Fixated, obsessed with promoting sodomy?
"The western world is fixated, obsessed with sexuality" aligns with a viewpoint expressed by PROGAY "Cardinal" Wilton Gregory, who noted in a 2022 article that the Church in the United States seemed fixated on sexuality, to the detriment of addressing other critical issues, such as economic inequality and social justice.

If one reads the context of the question, Prevost's answer is sarcastic and has a double meaning, as it is clear from the wording of the question that it is directed at those who asked it.
Prevost said:- I was asked about the LGBT issue already a couple of times during these first couple of months. I recall something that a cardinal from the eastern part of the world said to me before I was pope, about “the western world is fixated, obsessed with sexuality.”
In Crux interview
He called out what he said can be a western “obsession” with sexuality, saying a fellow cardinal from the global east during the Synod of Bishops on Synodality convened by Pope Francis had lamented that “the western world is fixated, obsessed with sexuality.
“A person’s identity, for some people, is all about sexual identity, and for many people in other parts of the world, that’s not a primary issue in terms of how we should deal with one another,” Pope Leo said.

It is possible that Pope Leo is projecting (as in, seeing the speck in his brother's eye while ignoring his own personal problem). Keep in mind, Archbishop Vigano said Begoglio had slept with seminarians in his early past. Others claimed Pope Francis spoke with a lisp characteristic of homosexuals. I don't know. I do find the Bergoglians rather resolute (or rigid) on LGBT issues.

The new Bergoglian pope is referencing "Vatican II" just like Bergoglio. During Pope Francis's reign, we were fed Pope Francis's INTERPRETATION of Vatican II. What about Pope Benedict XVI's interpretation? Ratzinger was actually at Vatican II.

"Obviously, between the Tridentine Mass and the Vatican II Mass, the Mass of Paul VI, I’m not sure where that’s going to go. It’s obviously very complicated." Somewhere else I read: "Leo promised “to continue the process” of the Amazonian rite."
TLM is complicated; in other words, stalled. The new pagan rite gets approved!

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"the western world is fixated, obsessed with sexuality."
Whoa! The pro-homo pontiff is casting aspersions on a large group of his flock!
The new pope could push celibacy for clergy, religious, and single laity. Ha! Having the pope push celibacy is wishful thinking... it's Catholic doctrine; he won't have any of that.

Now that everyone knows the new pope is Bergoglio 2, he starts advocating Bergoglio's anti-Catholic agenda. The "honeymoon" is over, the apostasy continues at a brisk pace.

Leo needs to resign. Come Holy Spirit!

Furthermore, by stating that he welcomes any unrepentant homosexual, accepting anyone regardless of whether they have a distorted homosexual identity, without attempting to correct them or publicly admonishing them to abandon homosexual behavior (since homosexuals will not enter the Kingdom of God), Robert Prevost clearly demonstrates that he is not concerned with the salvation of souls. Prevost demonstrates that he fails to perform acts of mercy and neglects his priestly duty of warning those who sin.
"Whoever sees another person in error, and does not make an effort to correct that person, testifies against himself, for he himself become guilty of error." - Pope Saint Leo the Great.

One characteristic of homosexuals is that they resort to accusations and insults to defend their positions. Notice how Prevost, while engaging in gay activism and using double language, just like Bergoglio, claims that the Church is obsessed with the issue of homosexuality.
Prevost said:- I was asked about the LGBT issue already a couple of times during these first couple of months. I recall something that a cardinal from the eastern part of the world said to me before I was pope, about “the western world is fixated, obsessed with sexuality.”
Prevost said:- Any issue dealing with the LGBTQ questions is highly polarizing within the Church. I’m trying not to continue to polarize or promote polarization in the Church.
Pope Pius XII said: "The accusation of oppressive rigidity made against the Church by the ‘new morality,’ in reality, attacks, in the first place, the adorable Person of Christ Himself."
Prevost said:- Francis was very clearly when he would say, ‘todos, todos, todos’. Everyone’s invited in, but I don’t invite a person in because they are or are not of any specific identity.
Remember how Bergoglio, in an attempt to cover up the scandals involving Ricca Batista, sarcastically claimed that no one had ever shown him any gay ID (identification documents).

For a Pope to say (using another's words) that the "Western" Church is obsessed with sexual issues is outrageous. It's the faculty by which the Creator makes us co-creators's with Him; it reflects the Creator's Self-Identity as Life Himself. This man is a theological cretin (at best).

Prevost uses the same modus operandi as Bergoglio when making heretical statements. He maliciously uses quotes from other people and examples from third parties to contradict Catholic doctrine.

TIA: Saint Peter Damian refers to the homosexual lifestyle as “the queen of the sodomites,” who enslaves and degrades her victims, taking away their peace and instilling in them a frenetic obsession with pleasure. He also notes that those who involve themselves in such behavior feel compelled to draw others into the same wretchedness, by becoming homosexual “militants.”

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Prevost confirms that he is following in Bergoglio's (erroneous) footsteps. Notice how he uses the rhetoric of religious relativism—"everyone, everyone, everyone"—only when he is trying to justify his stance in favor of unrepentant homosexuals who openly defy God. But he doesn't apply it in the same way when referring to Catholics faithful to Tradition. He allowed the Holy Door to be closed to the Society of Saint Pius X, while opening it to unrepentant homosexuals who defy God and the Church. Prevost uses the same argument as a corrupt and unjust judge, just like Bergoglio did.
Prevost allowed the unrepentant sodomites to desecrate St. Peter's Basilica
Rhetoric is the art of persuasion through language. It is used to influence an audience by employing various techniques and rhetorical devices.

Revelation 3:16
New Catholic Bible
16 As it is, since you are lukewarm, neither cold nor hot,[a] I will spit you out of my mouth.
Footnotes
Revelation 3:16 Lukewarm, neither cold nor hot: i.e., complacent, self-satisfied, and indifferent to the real issues of faith in Christ—hence, lacking in zeal and useless.

Just as a corrupt judge who refuses to apply the law to punish the criminal Prevost renders God's Law and Catholic morality to a dead letter. But the doctrine hasn't changed; this was the old excuse that "Catholic" media outlets used to cover up Bergoglio's rebellion, while in practice he was violating God's law and contradicting Catholic morality with impunity. The argument is that the doctrine itself doesn't change, but if it isn't applied in practice, it becomes null and void.
The expression "dead letter" refers to a text or rule that, although it formally still exists, is not observed or has no real effect. This can apply to laws, treaties, or agreements that, even though they haven't been repealed, are not applied in practice. And when Prevost, with malicious intent, reduces the law of God and the Church to mere meaningless words, this nullification of God's law constitutes a diabolical act, in which he places himself above God.
Here we can see how Prevost cleverly employs the same anti-Catholic argument used by Jorge Bergoglio, with which he perverted the office of the papacy: "Who am I to judge a gay priest?" Acting like a corrupt judge, Bergoglio went against God's law, allowing homosexual and predatory priests to go unpunished, while punishing and persecuting those Catholic priests who remained faithful to Christ and Catholic Tradition.

Sadistic? "Well, you can say Mass in Latin right now. If it’s the Vatican II rite there’s no problem."

The Vatican II rite, the rite approved by the Vatican II council in 1965 is NOT currently being celebrated. The"novus ordo" rite approved by Pope Paul in 1969 is currently celebrated.

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He is mocking Catholics.

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“Between the Tridentine Mass & the Vatican II Mass, the Mass of Paul VI, I’m not sure where that’s going to go. It’s obviously very complicated... That is an issue that I think also, maybe with synodality, we have to sit down & talk about”

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Why were some Latin rites suppressed? The only reason given by the Vatican was a survey of Bishops that did not want suppression.
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Yep, very complicated. And finding "true and holy" in false and impious religions (Nostra Aetate 2) is easy. For a modernist pervert.