Sally Dorman
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So mean.
3rd Order Postulant
Well, that guy has no Twitter account anymore. Post was in 2020. Seems his mean-spiritedness ran him out of tweet world.
Ultraviolet
"332.2 specifically mentions the Papal Office" Fact Check: The word "Papal" doesn't even appear. You're fabricating Canon Law again. :D
So, no, it doesn't "specifically" mention because it doesn't mention it at ALL.
"Canon Law mentions the ministry and the munus.... recognizing two distinct parts of the papacy."
Wrong. Not in Canon 332.2. Another outright falsehood. The word "munus" doesn't appear …More
"332.2 specifically mentions the Papal Office" Fact Check: The word "Papal" doesn't even appear. You're fabricating Canon Law again. :D

So, no, it doesn't "specifically" mention because it doesn't mention it at ALL.

"Canon Law mentions the ministry and the munus.... recognizing two distinct parts of the papacy."

Wrong. Not in Canon 332.2. Another outright falsehood. The word "munus" doesn't appear in Canon 332.2 either. Not even in the Latin text.

" because he didn't properly manifest resignation of the office"

I repeat: show where Canon Law defeines "properly manifest". You can't and you won't because it doesnt. In short, Benedict doesn't have to meet YOUR standards, only The Church's which are vague.

""In such a way" is absurd, much less a "proper manifestation" per 332 of a munus resignation."

Speaking of absurdity, you're floundering and it shows. "per canon 332.2" does not even state "proper manifestation" so you have no business putting it in quotes as though it does. It states "properly manifested" and fails to define it.

Canon law 332.2 also doesn't include any reference to a "munus resignation" or even use the word "munus". You're making it ALL up as you go. Jimmies... all those little Jimmies sprinkled everywhere! :D

"Did it ever occur in the cavernous depths of your mind that B16 didn't completely resign on purpose?"

Did it ever occur to you that you're simply wrong because you can't read Benedict's mind?

I will "explain" when YOU show where Canon 332.2 requires resigning the papacy requires using the word office.

...and putting your demands in underline doesn't change the fact you are ducking MY demand that you first do so.

I've already shown how his resignation includes the "in such a way" clause that covers all possible criteria for a new papal election to occur.

"You are a faith-based Bergoglian. A follower of an antipope and a heretic."

I am a legalist, a Catholic.

By contrast, you are none of these things even if you choose to identify as either. Go shave off that mottled scruff and put on a wig, Jimmy. Then you can identify as a woman and a Catholic. :P
Ultraviolet
"Folks on GTV, you are seeing pride and hubris..." @Joey Dix
Jimmy appeals to the reader the way Ave Crux does when she's wrong. He also does the same "false summary" because he can't address the point raised, like so:
"this girl just deconstructed a papal letter to make it say something (he resigned the office) that it doesn't say."
False. Why do you assume I'm a girl? No matter.
I didn't …More
"Folks on GTV, you are seeing pride and hubris..." @Joey Dix

Jimmy appeals to the reader the way Ave Crux does when she's wrong. He also does the same "false summary" because he can't address the point raised, like so:

"this girl just deconstructed a papal letter to make it say something (he resigned the office) that it doesn't say."

False. Why do you assume I'm a girl? No matter.

I didn't deconstruct a "papal letter" I quoted a papal (wait for it) resignation letter that conatains a clause that addresse (and includes) all possibly required criteria for a new Papal election to occur.
Ultraviolet
Canon Law states " If it happens that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office" then gives the criteria for validity. Mentioning the office is not one of them neither is using the word "office".
"WHERE is B16's resignation of the office?"
Formal letter (i.e. in such a way).
"Where is it "properly manifested"?
See my last point. EDIT: also public declaration. Also, show me where Canon Law defines "…More
Canon Law states " If it happens that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office" then gives the criteria for validity. Mentioning the office is not one of them neither is using the word "office".

"WHERE is B16's resignation of the office?"
Formal letter (i.e. in such a way).

"Where is it "properly manifested"?

See my last point. EDIT: also public declaration. Also, show me where Canon Law defines "properly manifested". You keep asking but you're not replying to MY questions are you? Funny thing.

"How many times are you going to do this? Are you stupid or just desperate?"

I've been privately asking myself this about you for three years now, Jimmy. ;-) Every time I debunk you and you ignore it. Benedict's clever "boiler plate" in his resignation letter covering "in such a way that" covered EVERY demand you or anyone else could possibly request of him.

He outwitted you. :D @Joey Dix
Ultraviolet
"just show me where he resigned the office." You didn't show me where resigning "the office" or even using the word is a criterion in Canon Law 332.2.
The irony is I already did show you three years ago. You've simply forgotten or choose to ignore it. because that's what you do with facts that contradict your delusions. I'll quote and update my reply from the original post.
Benedict clarified …More
"just show me where he resigned the office." You didn't show me where resigning "the office" or even using the word is a criterion in Canon Law 332.2.

The irony is I already did show you three years ago. You've simply forgotten or choose to ignore it. because that's what you do with facts that contradict your delusions. I'll quote and update my reply from the original post.

Benedict clarified the nature of his resignation with the following: "I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is.

Citation: (Resignation Letter of Benedict XVI Vatican Website)

Benedict's resigned "in such a way" that "the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is"

Whatever is required for that to occur, Benedict covered with his qualification "in such a way" that "a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked". Whatever is required for that to occur, Benedict's resignation covers becaushe he resigns "in such a way" this must occur.

Meaning whatever contrived idiotic standard Benedict Buddies conconct, Benedict defined his resignation to cover. Borrowing a cherished phrase of your, "Benedict wins, you lose."
Ultraviolet
"Anyway, prove to me Benedict resigned the office, I'll admit I'm a schismatic." No you won't because you're the arbiter of what you will accept as proof. Benedict Buddy non-logic.
"Canon 332.2. assumes there must be a resignation of the office"
Wrong. Canon Law does not state that. You're fabricating Canon Law again and being your usual pushy obnoxious self, Jimbo.
"Who said I love Benedict?"
Who …More
"Anyway, prove to me Benedict resigned the office, I'll admit I'm a schismatic." No you won't because you're the arbiter of what you will accept as proof. Benedict Buddy non-logic.

"Canon 332.2. assumes there must be a resignation of the office"

Wrong. Canon Law does not state that. You're fabricating Canon Law again and being your usual pushy obnoxious self, Jimbo.

"Who said I love Benedict?"

Who said you do?
Ultraviolet
@Joey Dix Since you're challenging Matty, I challenge you. You get what you give. Show me where Canon Law defines a "formal" resignation as opposed to an "informal" one.
Only when you can do so, does YOUR challenge have any validity.
If recognizing Francis as pope makes those doing so "schismatics" then that also condemns Benedict. Therefore, "logically" using your sock-puppet logic, there is no …More
@Joey Dix Since you're challenging Matty, I challenge you. You get what you give. Show me where Canon Law defines a "formal" resignation as opposed to an "informal" one.

Only when you can do so, does YOUR challenge have any validity.

If recognizing Francis as pope makes those doing so "schismatics" then that also condemns Benedict. Therefore, "logically" using your sock-puppet logic, there is no pope at all.

You claims "Bergoglio" isn't the pope. You also claim those who recognize the man as pope are schismatics. Benedict recognizes "Bergoglio" is pope. Therefore Benedict is a schismatic. A schismatic can't be pope because schismatics excommunicate themselves.
Ultraviolet
@Joey Dix "The standard is in Canon Law, Indeed. This is why I asked, Show me where Canon Law defines a "formal" resignation as opposed to an "informal" one. Your move. ;-)
Ultraviolet
A mean idiot panked a stupid idiot. Blatty's ultimate theme was about following Christ's sacrifice. Both priests ultimately give up their lives to save the possessed girl.
Caroline03
THIS is the REAL story behind that film........ I saved it years ago as I needed to send it somebody in an email. This is a more or less complete version of the real event that was turned into a silly film!
This is a lot better than the film if you want to wake people up!
I won't read it, I'll just POST it here. You can take a look if you want to. The St Michael bit is really brilliant! 🙂
Priest …
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THIS is the REAL story behind that film........ I saved it years ago as I needed to send it somebody in an email. This is a more or less complete version of the real event that was turned into a silly film!

This is a lot better than the film if you want to wake people up!

I won't read it, I'll just POST it here. You can take a look if you want to. The St Michael bit is really brilliant! 🙂

Priest performs real exorcism in St. Louis: the truth behind the movie
By Corey Stulce

Assistant Lifestyle Editor

This is the true story of the exorcism that took place, partly in St. Louis.

The novel and film "The Exorcist" were both very popular years ago, and they were partly based on the events which took place nearly fifty years ago. Many of the details were "Hollywood-ized," so in 1993, author Thomas B. Allen released a book called "Possessed". In it he wrote in great detail about the exorcism which took place in 1949.
The story begins with the boy and his family living in Mt. Rainier, Maryland. According to Allen, the boy's aunt had started to teach him how to use a Ouija board.

Soon after, she died. A few nights after her death, the family started to notice strange sounds, first a dripping, and then a scratching sound under the floorboards.

The family was convinced that it was the dead aunt attempting to contact them. They spoke to her, and asked for a sign. A wave of pressure was sent into the members of the family and then into the floor.

Soon after this night, stranger things began to happen. Items would move around the room. The mattress the boy was on would shake slowly at first, and then violently. His desk would fall over at school.
At first, everyone thought these were pranks, but they started to become convinced otherwise after the events continued for some time.
The family called in Reverend Luther Schultze, a Lutheran minister, because they now believed there was a poltergeist tormenting their son.

The boy was now having awful nightmares where he would tear at the sheets and thrash in agony all night. Scratches started to appear on the boy's body, and that is when Schultze decided it was more of a job for the Catholics.

Father Albert Hughes attempted to take on the exorcism. One night, after he was tied down, the boy was able to free one of his arms from restraint. He somehow got a bedspring loose, and cut a huge gash into Hughes' arm. Hughes left the exorcism and soon after had a breakdown.

The family decided that they needed to get away from home, and maybe a trip to stay with family in St. Louis would help the boy's condition. Strange events continued to take place in St. Louis, however, and the family decided the boy needed more religious help.

Father Raymond Bishop was called in to help. He contacted a close friend, Father William Bowdern, to assist him. Neither man was very familiar with the act of exorcism, so they began studying.

Meanwhile, the boy was fine during the day, but at night was still having terrors. He was falling deeper into possession.

Bowdern was told by the Archbishop not to discuss the case with anyone. He asked Walter Halloran, an academic at St. Louis University, to drive him to the house where the boy was staying.

Bishop kept a diary of the events, in order to help in future exorcisms. Bowdern started the exorcism by reciting prayers from "The Roman Ritual".

Once he began, the boy needed to be held down much of the time. The boy would scream out in pain at the prayers. Each time the name of God was mentioned, in any form, deep scratches or welts would appear on the boy's chest and stomach.

At one point, the word HELL was scratched onto the boy's chest, but upside down so when the boy looked down he could read it. The boy would spit at the people in the room.

"He was an utter marksman at a distance of four or five feet," said Halloran. "His eyes were closed, and he'd spit right in your face." The prayers would continue until dawn for many nights, and then the boy would fall into a natural sleep. The boy was getting worse. The demon inside him was now singing and yelling at the priests in the room. He would curse and make sexual references about the men in the room.

There were also a couple of incidents in the daytime when the possession showed itself. Halloran took the boy one afternoon to get some fresh air. He took him to an area to see the stations of the cross.
"Because of the state of possession, he took off running," said Halloran. "He ran to the bluffs, towards the edge, where there was a big drop below. I finally caught him. I have no idea if he would've awakened before he got to the edge or not."

To give the family some rest, Bowdern took the boy to Alexian Brothers Hospital for a night. That night, the boy was tied to the bed, and the exorcism continued without any outbursts from the boy.
Soon after, the possession went back to its previous state. One night, the boy broke Halloran's nose.

In Bishop's diary he was also recorded as saying to Bowdern, "I'm in hell. I see you. You're in hell. It's 1957." The remark seemed to have some effect on Bowdern.
The priests moved the boy back to Alexian Brothers Hospital. He started to demand to know when the demon would leave the boy's body.

Again, scratches would appear on the boy's body. One spelled HELL, the other SPITE. Numbers also appeared on his chest, but the priests had learned not to trust the devil.
The voice, which was not the boy's but came from his body, said, "I will not go until a certain word is pronounced, and this boy will never say it."

On an evening night the still conscious boy said he wanted to pray. The priest had taught him many Catholic prayers during the ordeal, and they began to recite.

They placed religious medals around his neck, and a crucifix in his hand. The boy complained that the medals became hot and hurt him, but they would not remove them. His tongue began to flick around like a snake, and he started spitting.

It was reported that there was a sudden silence in the room. A voice, unlike the priests had ever heard, came from the boy saying, "Satan! Satan! I am Saint Michael, and I command you, Satan, and the other evil spirits to leave the body now in the name of Dominus. Immediately! Now! Now! Now!"

Bishop's diary said that after those words were spoken, the most violent contortions of the exorcism began. After the boy stopped twisting, he sat up, and calmly said, "He's gone". The boy spoke of his dream where an angel with a sword battled a demon of fire, and spoke one word, "Dominus".

Bowdern was convinced that "Dominus" was the word which the boy could never say to escape the demon.

The exorcism had taken a great toll on Bowdern. According to his great-nephew Steve O'Brien, he had lost over forty pounds throughout the ordeal. He did not die in 1957, however. He lived until 1983.
O'Brien said that Bowdern talked about the devil predicting that he would die a violent death. Bowdern did suffer a haemorrhage, which did not kill him instantly, but left him suffering for some time.

The boy is still alive today, but does not live in St. Louis. The information, including his real name, has never been released to the public, in order to protect the family. The room in Alexian Brothers was locked for many years, until the wing was torn down. A worker broke the door down, and discovered Bishop's diary in a desk, which Halloran confirmed.

Halloran, who became a Priest, is also still living, and he stated that he would be willing to participate in another exorcism, if he was called to. It would not be on top of the list for things he wanted to do, though.
aderito
What is the moral of the story here ?