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@Carol H Thank you for your reply.
All genuine successors of the Apostle Peter are holder of the Petrin Ministry. This Ministry if the Rock, the foundation of the Church. You are right about this. You also said that this man, Francis, is universally seen as such, but again we have a successor of the Apostles who recently wrote ‘’If the King of Kings and Lord of Lords were to return today in His …More
@Carol H Thank you for your reply.
All genuine successors of the Apostle Peter are holder of the Petrin Ministry. This Ministry if the Rock, the foundation of the Church. You are right about this. You also said that this man, Francis, is universally seen as such, but again we have a successor of the Apostles who recently wrote ‘’If the King of Kings and Lord of Lords were to return today in His glory, would he still recognize His Bride, the Church?” Of course, He would recognize Her! But not in the sect that eclipses the See of Peter, rather in the many good souls, especially in the priests, men, and women religious, and in many simple faithful souls…’’ Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, November 4th 2022.
You mentioned that if ever there is an antipope only a council could declare it (anytime) or a pope afterward. You may be right to a certain degree if the problem was the mere presence of an antipope like the Pisan claimant John Cossa (1410-1415), this one was elected by a council. For the present situation, so unique in its kind, I think that the word antipope is used by many for lack of a better word, but it is not the correct one or the most appropriate.
We should know that one day there will be a precursor of the Antichrist, a Co-Antichrist, the Second Beast of the Book of Revelation, the False Prophet, an impostor, a deceiver. There will be only one man like him in the history of the Church. God warned us in advance because He certainly don’t want us to accept the announced False Prophet as the Supreme Pontiff. Also, God never said that, after the time of this great traitor, we will have peace, stability, a large number of clerics, a council, or a Pope.
During interregna the Church don’t have a Roman Pontiff, but in those times the Church still exists and in the end times it seems that we won’t have a successor of the Apostle Peter. Here is a prophecy from Our Lord Jesus Christ:
John 21:20-22 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper…When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?” Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you? You, follow me.”
John was the only saint among the Apostles before the Pentecost, the one that Jesus loved because he was pure and stayed faithful even during the Passion and Crucifixion. I understand from this prophecy that in the final days we won’t have a Pope but only a holy Apostle like a Cardinal or a Bishop (we know that the Church will be present on Earth until the end). Hopefully, we will have many more during the time of persecutions and tribulations before the final days.
Matthew 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. Hades could mean Hell or death.
The ‘’Will not prevail’’, in the light of the rest of the Bible, can only mean ‘’Will not prevail completely against the Church’’ or ‘’The gates of Hades won’t be able to annihilate the Church completely’’.
I understand that you, Carol H, and others think that this verse prevents the Church of being persecuted by an unprecedented type of impostor, but God can allow this situation as a punishment for the world and to put our faith to the test. We can not say that the Church won’t undergo terrible events and everything that is written will happen.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion* comes first… *(Defection, apostasy, revolt, defection from truth).
Matthew 24:10 At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another…
Revelation 13:7 (the first beast) Then it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them… (alternate translation: to wage war against the Saints and to defeat them).
So, the Saints will be defeated but the Church will at least exist somewhere, surely well-hidden (Matthew 24:15-16) and, probably in small number (Luke 18:8).
All genuine successors of the Apostle Peter are holder of the Petrin Ministry. This Ministry if the Rock, the foundation of the Church. You are right about this. You also said that this man, Francis, is universally seen as such, but again we have a successor of the Apostles who recently wrote ‘’If the King of Kings and Lord of Lords were to return today in His glory, would he still recognize His Bride, the Church?” Of course, He would recognize Her! But not in the sect that eclipses the See of Peter, rather in the many good souls, especially in the priests, men, and women religious, and in many simple faithful souls…’’ Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, November 4th 2022.
You mentioned that if ever there is an antipope only a council could declare it (anytime) or a pope afterward. You may be right to a certain degree if the problem was the mere presence of an antipope like the Pisan claimant John Cossa (1410-1415), this one was elected by a council. For the present situation, so unique in its kind, I think that the word antipope is used by many for lack of a better word, but it is not the correct one or the most appropriate.
We should know that one day there will be a precursor of the Antichrist, a Co-Antichrist, the Second Beast of the Book of Revelation, the False Prophet, an impostor, a deceiver. There will be only one man like him in the history of the Church. God warned us in advance because He certainly don’t want us to accept the announced False Prophet as the Supreme Pontiff. Also, God never said that, after the time of this great traitor, we will have peace, stability, a large number of clerics, a council, or a Pope.
During interregna the Church don’t have a Roman Pontiff, but in those times the Church still exists and in the end times it seems that we won’t have a successor of the Apostle Peter. Here is a prophecy from Our Lord Jesus Christ:
John 21:20-22 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper…When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?” Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain until I return, what is that to you? You, follow me.”
John was the only saint among the Apostles before the Pentecost, the one that Jesus loved because he was pure and stayed faithful even during the Passion and Crucifixion. I understand from this prophecy that in the final days we won’t have a Pope but only a holy Apostle like a Cardinal or a Bishop (we know that the Church will be present on Earth until the end). Hopefully, we will have many more during the time of persecutions and tribulations before the final days.
Matthew 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. Hades could mean Hell or death.
The ‘’Will not prevail’’, in the light of the rest of the Bible, can only mean ‘’Will not prevail completely against the Church’’ or ‘’The gates of Hades won’t be able to annihilate the Church completely’’.
I understand that you, Carol H, and others think that this verse prevents the Church of being persecuted by an unprecedented type of impostor, but God can allow this situation as a punishment for the world and to put our faith to the test. We can not say that the Church won’t undergo terrible events and everything that is written will happen.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion* comes first… *(Defection, apostasy, revolt, defection from truth).
Matthew 24:10 At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another…
Revelation 13:7 (the first beast) Then it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them… (alternate translation: to wage war against the Saints and to defeat them).
So, the Saints will be defeated but the Church will at least exist somewhere, surely well-hidden (Matthew 24:15-16) and, probably in small number (Luke 18:8).
Adrien, you are speculating with preconceived ideas. Scripture makes it clear: "On this rock I will build my Church": the rock - the papacy - therefore being the foundation stone that prevents the gates of hell from prevailing against Christ's Church. The implication is glaring. It is because of this rock - because of the papacy- that the Church of Christ will stand firm against the storms. Pope …More
Adrien, you are speculating with preconceived ideas. Scripture makes it clear: "On this rock I will build my Church": the rock - the papacy - therefore being the foundation stone that prevents the gates of hell from prevailing against Christ's Church. The implication is glaring. It is because of this rock - because of the papacy- that the Church of Christ will stand firm against the storms. Pope Francis is a very bad Pope, but the Holy Office is divine and will far outlive the man. This means that, yes, God could very well send us a Holy Pope next. Meanwhile the Seat of Peter remains unbroken as promised by Christ and will utimately follow Christ in His cruxifiction ("You, follow me"): scourged, cruxified and after three days, ressurrected into glory. To speak of a church without a papacy ("a loose network of independent pockets of Resistance.... with no structure") reminds me very much of the kingdom of the anti-Christ.
Adrien, when we use the term "universally" we speak in general terms of the majority. Moreover, those individual bishops are calling him an "anti-pope" because they recognise him as the one accepted by the world in general as the leader of the Catholic Church.
Francis is not the leader of the Church of which he is not a member, having nothing more than his white disguise. You see, God does not grant a seat in His Church to every men wearing the cloth.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, …More
Francis is not the leader of the Church of which he is not a member, having nothing more than his white disguise. You see, God does not grant a seat in His Church to every men wearing the cloth.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Also, do you believe the Words of the New Testament, concerning the coming of the main False Prophet, will never be fulfilled?
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Also, do you believe the Words of the New Testament, concerning the coming of the main False Prophet, will never be fulfilled?
Whoa horsey - I guess when I spoke of Peudo Popes earlier I rattled the nest. Jesting aside, only another Pope or a council of bishops have the authority to declare on Pope Francis. Meanwhile, making a dogma of the issue is illegal. If you personally want to see him as the "False Prophet", knock yourself out, but I will wait for the voice of the Church to speak. Meanwhile, he is still the Pope and …More
Whoa horsey - I guess when I spoke of Peudo Popes earlier I rattled the nest. Jesting aside, only another Pope or a council of bishops have the authority to declare on Pope Francis. Meanwhile, making a dogma of the issue is illegal. If you personally want to see him as the "False Prophet", knock yourself out, but I will wait for the voice of the Church to speak. Meanwhile, he is still the Pope and as Christ has promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church, we can be assured that as bad as Pope Francis is, the divine power of his Holy Office will prevent him from completely destroying the Rock.
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@Carol H -But he and his homo pervert squad will try to destroy as much as they can before their time is up, probably very soon. Francis admitted that his intestinal issue is back again. That is not good. He won't be around for long. I asked my uncle who is a Cardiologist. He's 53, and has been a doctor for 24 years, so he knows. He said that diverticulosis in its severe form is treated by surgery …More
@Carol H -But he and his homo pervert squad will try to destroy as much as they can before their time is up, probably very soon. Francis admitted that his intestinal issue is back again. That is not good. He won't be around for long. I asked my uncle who is a Cardiologist. He's 53, and has been a doctor for 24 years, so he knows. He said that diverticulosis in its severe form is treated by surgery, and once done, usually the patient is fine for years....or for good. It doesn't come back in 1 1/2 years, unless it's worse than diverticulosis, which is possible. I asked him if it would shorten the life of an elderly person if left untreated (like their going to do in Rome), and he said he'd give Francis 18 months, at most. Maybe will by some miracle have a CATHOLIC pope soon. But I'm not waiting gleefully for Francis to die like some are. I don't wish whatever he has on me or anyone.
"It is bigger than you think." Trust me, Mr. Yoshimori, my family has been through hell and back thanks to the infiltration in our beloved Church. And yes, we must object, protest, and rebel against such corruption. My concern is how we do it. The Church herself must be protected and as Pope Francis is universally recognised as it's leader, we must tread carefully for reasons I've already highlighted …More
"It is bigger than you think." Trust me, Mr. Yoshimori, my family has been through hell and back thanks to the infiltration in our beloved Church. And yes, we must object, protest, and rebel against such corruption. My concern is how we do it. The Church herself must be protected and as Pope Francis is universally recognised as it's leader, we must tread carefully for reasons I've already highlighted. We cannot fight it by using the weapons of our enemy. We may make a lot of noise, but essentially we are acting no better than those we are condemning. It becomes a downward spiril: Pope Franics is rebelling against the Church, so we rebell against him, and then our children rebell against us because that is human nature on a natural level. So what is the answer? Christ. Object, protest, and resist (better word) in a Christ-like manner. Show our children that we can bow before lawful authority while at the same time firmly resisting and working against the rot that is trying to claim it; that we can do both lest we lose sight of the Church's divinity. For prayer is the highest form of action. It touches heaven and releases grace. How many times have we all thrown ourselves heart and soul into a battle only to miserably fail. And yet when we turn to Our Blessed Mother, miracles happen. There is no such things as "simply" praying.
"My concern is how we do it"
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IMVHO, the question is quite simple:
1. Stay in the life of grace.
2. Keep the Catholic Faith.
3. Do not get away from reality & truth. If an angel out of Heaven tries to provide you with something else for practical private use apply the Pauline rule i.e. ignore him and wait patiently whether the Church applies it officially.
4. As for the "dignity of the office"…More
"My concern is how we do it"
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IMVHO, the question is quite simple:
1. Stay in the life of grace.
2. Keep the Catholic Faith.
3. Do not get away from reality & truth. If an angel out of Heaven tries to provide you with something else for practical private use apply the Pauline rule i.e. ignore him and wait patiently whether the Church applies it officially.
4. As for the "dignity of the office" kindly note that the main cause of its ruin nowadays is a prolonged state of scandals in Vatican with men obligated to act (bishops, cardinals) doing nothing or even taking active part in the abominations.
5. Use the arms of God not the Enemy's weapon. The end does not justify the means.
6. Remember the Pope is not Christ but the Vicar of Christ, is not the Church but the Steward of the Church whose main role is to keep Her safe and sound until the return of the King.
7. Therefore, paraphrasing St. Thomas More, it will be good to be able to say in truth in the future:
I die a faithful servant of His Holiness and God's first.
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IMVHO, the question is quite simple:
1. Stay in the life of grace.
2. Keep the Catholic Faith.
3. Do not get away from reality & truth. If an angel out of Heaven tries to provide you with something else for practical private use apply the Pauline rule i.e. ignore him and wait patiently whether the Church applies it officially.
4. As for the "dignity of the office" kindly note that the main cause of its ruin nowadays is a prolonged state of scandals in Vatican with men obligated to act (bishops, cardinals) doing nothing or even taking active part in the abominations.
5. Use the arms of God not the Enemy's weapon. The end does not justify the means.
6. Remember the Pope is not Christ but the Vicar of Christ, is not the Church but the Steward of the Church whose main role is to keep Her safe and sound until the return of the King.
7. Therefore, paraphrasing St. Thomas More, it will be good to be able to say in truth in the future:
I die a faithful servant of His Holiness and God's first.
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@Carol H "treat the office of Pope Francis with dignity." You have to be joking, when Bergoglio doesn't even treat his own office with dignity let alone anyone else!! He deserves as much dignity as his actions and words justify....which is none.
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@Carol H -I would respect a true Pope, who is faithful to Catholic tradition and teaches the faithful to love and respect Catholic traditions and the Mass. Not someone who is a 100% heretic, who appoints homosexuals to high office in the Vatican, and who preaches that God loves homosexuals, TRANs and their lifestyle, and who brings pagan idiols( Pachamamma) into St.Peter's and venerates them there …More
@Carol H -I would respect a true Pope, who is faithful to Catholic tradition and teaches the faithful to love and respect Catholic traditions and the Mass. Not someone who is a 100% heretic, who appoints homosexuals to high office in the Vatican, and who preaches that God loves homosexuals, TRANs and their lifestyle, and who brings pagan idiols( Pachamamma) into St.Peter's and venerates them there. NO! I do not respect him, the office he personally holds, or his appointees or his agenda.
The last person who deserved that respect as Pope was Benedict XVI, and also the coming new Pope, who I guarantee you will not be a "Francis II".
Actually you are the hypocrit, giving respect to a person who doesn't deserve it, and who repudiates his title and office himself.
The last person who deserved that respect as Pope was Benedict XVI, and also the coming new Pope, who I guarantee you will not be a "Francis II".
Actually you are the hypocrit, giving respect to a person who doesn't deserve it, and who repudiates his title and office himself.
How easy it is to be Catholic when everything is perfect. But it is not. And that is the test of spiritual character. Do we throw tizzy fits of mockery and name-calling, and set ourselves up as pseudo Popes, or do we quietly pick up our rosary and set the firm example of Catholic dignity and ritual in our daily lives? Pope Francis's personal choices may not deserve respect, but his divine office …More
How easy it is to be Catholic when everything is perfect. But it is not. And that is the test of spiritual character. Do we throw tizzy fits of mockery and name-calling, and set ourselves up as pseudo Popes, or do we quietly pick up our rosary and set the firm example of Catholic dignity and ritual in our daily lives? Pope Francis's personal choices may not deserve respect, but his divine office does. That is the example we must set our children who look to us for direction; sow the seed for outright rebellion and you will lose them altogether. If adults such yourself are unable to make distinctions, then what hope do little ones have? - "Pope's bad. Pope represents Catholic Church. Catholic Church is bad. Adios." I've seen it happen time and time again. So yes, Pope Francis is a terrible Pope. But it how we respond to this crisis that tests our true merit as soldiers of Christ. First and foremost we do not lower ourselves down to the very level we are condemning.
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@Carol H -I admire your conviction. I admire your statement " or do we quietly pick up our rosary and set the firm example of Catholic dignity and ritual in our daily lives?" Your statement represents all that Francis and his people hate and despise. He, and they, will ruin our Church. There is a time to be prayerful, and then there is a time to object, protest, and even rebell. There is right now …More
@Carol H -I admire your conviction. I admire your statement " or do we quietly pick up our rosary and set the firm example of Catholic dignity and ritual in our daily lives?" Your statement represents all that Francis and his people hate and despise. He, and they, will ruin our Church. There is a time to be prayerful, and then there is a time to object, protest, and even rebell. There is right now, around the world in Catholic circles, a movement to force the ouster of Pope Francis and his people. It is bigger than you think. The great, late Cardinal Pell represented one of many Cardinals who are against Francis, and Bishops around the world. One more heretic act from him, like his just today appointing a homosexual ex-Superior General of the Dominicans, Timothy Radcliffe, a pro-LGBTQ/TRANS heretic to preach in September at Francis' "Synod", may be enough to start the movements against him. There is a time to simply be pious and pray, and a time to act. By simply praying and hoping it will all just go away is a violation of valid judgement. There ARE quite afew people maneuvering both to force Francis out, and to make sure no heretic liberal is elected in the next conclave. I pray and hope they succeed at both.
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That's a much more appropriate title for Bergoglio.
You cannot fight evil with evil. The cartoonist needs to grow up and at least treat the office of Pope Francis with dignity.
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Bergoglio makes a mockery of the Holy See. He deserves to be mocked and accurately portrayed as the evil man that he is.
One can pray for Bergoglio's repentance and still... state the obvious, which unfortunately, is also the clear truth. Otherwise, what will happen is total ACCEPTANCE by the gullible and oh-so-obedient standard 'catholic', of this syncretist Novus Ordo circus. BTW: be realistic, (not so prudish) whatever is pictured, is also going on in many venues accepting anti-pope Jorge.
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And that is Christ-like Mr. Lockhart?
"And why even of yourselves, do you not judge that which is just?" Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57
In Matthew 18, Christ instructs on how to excommunicate the unrepentant from the Church, Carol. You'd probably object to His exhortation as being uncharitable.
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And that is Christ-like Mr. Lockhart?
"And why even of yourselves, do you not judge that which is just?" Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57
In Matthew 18, Christ instructs on how to excommunicate the unrepentant from the Church, Carol. You'd probably object to His exhortation as being uncharitable.
I pray for Bergoglio's conversion on a daily basis but neither I or Almighty God can make that happen. Only Jorge himself is capable of seeing the light, exhibiting true contrition and amending his life before he breathes his last. However, based on how he has lived his life that is not likely to happen.
"And why even of yourselves, do you not judge that which is just?" Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57
In Matthew 18, Christ instructs on how to excommunicate the unrepentant from the Church, Carol. You'd probably object to His exhortation as being uncharitable.
I pray for Bergoglio's conversion on a daily basis but neither I or Almighty God can make that happen. Only Jorge himself is capable of seeing the light, exhibiting true contrition and amending his life before he breathes his last. However, based on how he has lived his life that is not likely to happen.
So you think by being worldly, and using worldly methods, you'll solve the probelm? You believe Christ would approve of such a cartoon? Do you think saints would applaud it and tell me I'm being "prudish"? Ugliness and mockery are the devil's tool. And as I object to the reality, so too do I object to it's crude imagery. Otherwise why am I objecting to one and not the other? As Christ says in Matt …More
So you think by being worldly, and using worldly methods, you'll solve the probelm? You believe Christ would approve of such a cartoon? Do you think saints would applaud it and tell me I'm being "prudish"? Ugliness and mockery are the devil's tool. And as I object to the reality, so too do I object to it's crude imagery. Otherwise why am I objecting to one and not the other? As Christ says in Matt. 18: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." This of course means to be, or become, pure and innocent in spirit. Yes, you confront the sinner - BUT - in a Christ-like way; changing the world begins with ourselves. As for "excommunicating the unrepentant", Matt. 18:17 makes it clear that we do not take this into our own hands; that the authority of the Church must first step in. The voice I am hearing from Opera 369 and GaryLockhart (in this instance) is the voice of my old convent school nuns who had just thrown off their habits and joined the world: "The only way to understand/fight evil, is to see and read all about its reality." No. This is a spiritual battle. And the only weapons of war that are going to open eyes and convert souls are the one's Christ has given us. Rhemes1582 is right - you can make your point, but with Catholic dignity.
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More filth in cartoon. Can't make your point without nudity?
What has happened too Gloria. tv "The More Catholic the Better"
Disgusting
What has happened too Gloria. tv "The More Catholic the Better"
Disgusting
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@rhemes1582 & @Adrien- The cartoon reflects the kind of "pope" Francis is, and his homo advisors and appointees. It is accurate and to the point. It shows the kind of "pope" Francis is, and the kind of people his associates are. It isn't disgusting, or "filthy and unnecessary". It shows Bergoglio for what he is. The Catholic Church needs to have its eyes opened. No more braindead zombies saying "…More
@rhemes1582 & @Adrien- The cartoon reflects the kind of "pope" Francis is, and his homo advisors and appointees. It is accurate and to the point. It shows the kind of "pope" Francis is, and the kind of people his associates are. It isn't disgusting, or "filthy and unnecessary". It shows Bergoglio for what he is. The Catholic Church needs to have its eyes opened. No more braindead zombies saying "Yes Holy Father, No Holy Father....Whatever you say Holy Father. We love you Holy Father..." while Francis and his homo crew laugh themselves sick over the average Catholics naive piety and devotion.
I think 100% of the Gloria.tv cartoons depict Francis exactly as he is, and his agenda and priorties. Whoever draws them is a editorial genius. You don't need a full page of editorial with cartoons like this!!
I think 100% of the Gloria.tv cartoons depict Francis exactly as he is, and his agenda and priorties. Whoever draws them is a editorial genius. You don't need a full page of editorial with cartoons like this!!
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I am not trying to defend the indefensible. I will restate: The vulgarity & nudity being portrayed in above "cartoon" is filthy and disgusting, and does not belong on this site. " Gloria.Tv The More Catholic the Better"
I am not trying to defend the indefensible. I will restate: The vulgarity & nudity being portrayed in above "cartoon" is filthy and disgusting, and does not belong on this site. " Gloria.Tv The More Catholic the Better"
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@Carol H- It's exposed Francis for what he is, his agenda and his homo supporters and appointees. It's opened the eyes of alot of people who heretofore were too pious/devotional to EVER consider the Pope anything but the anointed of God. Now people know Bergoglio for what he is, a heretic homo-lover who hates Catholics and the traditions of the Church, and who is best buds with people like George …More
@Carol H- It's exposed Francis for what he is, his agenda and his homo supporters and appointees. It's opened the eyes of alot of people who heretofore were too pious/devotional to EVER consider the Pope anything but the anointed of God. Now people know Bergoglio for what he is, a heretic homo-lover who hates Catholics and the traditions of the Church, and who is best buds with people like George Soros, Bill Gates, Joe Biden and the "climate change" actors. My family (both sides), has been Catholic since the 1590's, when Jesuit and Franciscan and Dominican missionaries converted between 300,000-500,000 Japenese people in 50 years. Two of my family (Mom's side), were martyred by the Tokugawa Shogunate in their insane rampage against Catholics in the 1620's and 30's. But I guarantee they would never have converted to the Vatican II Church, or died for the Novus Ordo and a Pope like Francis. You and Creco are the only two on this whole site, who consistantly defend the office of the Papacy, when it has been degraded into the garbage by people like Bergoglio ( JPII and Paul VI and John XXIII were not much better).
I respect the office of the Papacy as it was, even though I am only 28 and never saw a real Pope....Benedict XVI was the closest I ever came to seeing a Pope present himself like the Popes my grandparents grew up with. But I do not respect the kind of papacy JPII turned it into (perpetual tourist and World Youth Day circus), and definitly not Bergoglio. He himself has repudiated and disavowed the title "Vicar of Christ". Only an anti-Pope/anti-Christ would do that.
So I think that cartoon is great....and all the other Gloria.tv cartoons as well. They tell the truth about Bergoglio , the current state of the Papacy, and the Church better than anything any 4 page editorial, or crap from other websites like neo-Con "Church Militant" would put out.
I'm not trying to convert you or anyone to my way of thinking about the Papacy. You have your views (which are fine if you like them), and me and millions of other faithful Catholics have ours.
I respect the office of the Papacy as it was, even though I am only 28 and never saw a real Pope....Benedict XVI was the closest I ever came to seeing a Pope present himself like the Popes my grandparents grew up with. But I do not respect the kind of papacy JPII turned it into (perpetual tourist and World Youth Day circus), and definitly not Bergoglio. He himself has repudiated and disavowed the title "Vicar of Christ". Only an anti-Pope/anti-Christ would do that.
So I think that cartoon is great....and all the other Gloria.tv cartoons as well. They tell the truth about Bergoglio , the current state of the Papacy, and the Church better than anything any 4 page editorial, or crap from other websites like neo-Con "Church Militant" would put out.
I'm not trying to convert you or anyone to my way of thinking about the Papacy. You have your views (which are fine if you like them), and me and millions of other faithful Catholics have ours.
Mr. Yoshimori, if your actions do not please heaven, you have already lost. And perhaps that is why "the church" grows worse by the day; we ourselves are not touching heaven in a way we should. You think vulgar cartoons are the answer. Well Pope Francis thinks embracing homosexuals is. Is your way much better than his? That is the crux of this discussion between us: how we should conduct ourselves …More
Mr. Yoshimori, if your actions do not please heaven, you have already lost. And perhaps that is why "the church" grows worse by the day; we ourselves are not touching heaven in a way we should. You think vulgar cartoons are the answer. Well Pope Francis thinks embracing homosexuals is. Is your way much better than his? That is the crux of this discussion between us: how we should conduct ourselves as Catholics; towards the Pope, towards each other. If I constantly defend the Office of the Papacy, it is because you attack it; in mocking Francis, you automatically mock the office for the two are inseperable. Well, the enemy wants us all to turn against our own Church; that is the game plan. He wants us to lose sight of the divine, and focus on the human element betraying it. I, for one, won't play that game.
Credo, from the land of Sunshine!, I see you love Fatima. So do I; Our Lady has promised that her Immaculate Heart would triumph. There lies our answer right :)
Credo, from the land of Sunshine!, I see you love Fatima. So do I; Our Lady has promised that her Immaculate Heart would triumph. There lies our answer right :)
@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori In your first explaination you seem to miss the point noted by rhemes1582 (as far as his comment is concerned and mine as well).
We are not against the concept of the cartoonist. It is NOT about Francis or the homosexualist heresy.
It is about the level of NUDITY in the cartoon.
So the exact same cartoon could have been drawn without those elements of nudity and the message …More
@Kenjiro M. Yoshimori In your first explaination you seem to miss the point noted by rhemes1582 (as far as his comment is concerned and mine as well).
We are not against the concept of the cartoonist. It is NOT about Francis or the homosexualist heresy.
It is about the level of NUDITY in the cartoon.
So the exact same cartoon could have been drawn without those elements of nudity and the message would have been the same.
A Catholic should keep a holy gaze(look) whenever his eyes are open... GloriaTV is supposed to be a catholic site and this cartoon is not from a random contributor.
We are not against the concept of the cartoonist. It is NOT about Francis or the homosexualist heresy.
It is about the level of NUDITY in the cartoon.
So the exact same cartoon could have been drawn without those elements of nudity and the message would have been the same.
A Catholic should keep a holy gaze(look) whenever his eyes are open... GloriaTV is supposed to be a catholic site and this cartoon is not from a random contributor.