SSPX Priest: “We believe that there is no certainty of the validity of the new consecration rite... “This seem to justify and require conditional ordination of priests and bishops. "Such uncertainties cannot be tolerated at the root of the sacraments.”
Is Paul VI's New Rite of Episcopal Consecration valid? Fr Álvaro Calderón's answer
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Naomi Arai
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Why are they using it? The Vatican has no interest in going back to being the Church. SSPX is in dreamland. Just stop pandering.
Harry Jones
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Quite a poor article by Fr. Calderon. He makes at least a dozen errors, some of them quite fundamental, which really only leads one to conclude, on this matter, he simply doesn’t understand what he’s writing about.
Anyway, it’s just his personal opinion (he may no longer hold it) and this isn’t the official SSPX line according to this article series:
Validity of new rite of episcopal consecrationsMore
Quite a poor article by Fr. Calderon. He makes at least a dozen errors, some of them quite fundamental, which really only leads one to conclude, on this matter, he simply doesn’t understand what he’s writing about.
Anyway, it’s just his personal opinion (he may no longer hold it) and this isn’t the official SSPX line according to this article series:
Validity of new rite of episcopal consecrations
Anyway, it’s just his personal opinion (he may no longer hold it) and this isn’t the official SSPX line according to this article series:
Validity of new rite of episcopal consecrations
Sean Johnson
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@Harry-
I can’t get the links in the article to work.
PS: Nobody is looking for the official SSPX position. Instead, we’re interested in the theological correctness/incorrectness of that opinion (an opinion which your comment undermines, as Fr. Calderon is widely regarded as perhaps the best theologian in the SSPX). But I do agree with you that certain parts of the article are problematic. But even …More
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I can’t get the links in the article to work.
PS: Nobody is looking for the official SSPX position. Instead, we’re interested in the theological correctness/incorrectness of that opinion (an opinion which your comment undermines, as Fr. Calderon is widely regarded as perhaps the best theologian in the SSPX). But I do agree with you that certain parts of the article are problematic. But even more problematic would be the SSPX position that the new form is certainly valid.
I can’t get the links in the article to work.
PS: Nobody is looking for the official SSPX position. Instead, we’re interested in the theological correctness/incorrectness of that opinion (an opinion which your comment undermines, as Fr. Calderon is widely regarded as perhaps the best theologian in the SSPX). But I do agree with you that certain parts of the article are problematic. But even more problematic would be the SSPX position that the new form is certainly valid.
Naomi Arai
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Seems that all the fruit of Paul VI is rotten. Lefebvre had doubts he was even pope and I do, too.
Harry Jones
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@Sean Johnson looks like the links within the article don’t work. You have to use the search and type: Validity of new rite of episcopal consecrations. Then just select the page 1-8.
I added that it isn’t the SSPX position less anyone think it was - there are issues with the SSPX article too. Fr. Calderon may be the best the SSPX has to offer but he’s out of his depth on this particular subject.More
@Sean Johnson looks like the links within the article don’t work. You have to use the search and type: Validity of new rite of episcopal consecrations. Then just select the page 1-8.
I added that it isn’t the SSPX position less anyone think it was - there are issues with the SSPX article too. Fr. Calderon may be the best the SSPX has to offer but he’s out of his depth on this particular subject.
I added that it isn’t the SSPX position less anyone think it was - there are issues with the SSPX article too. Fr. Calderon may be the best the SSPX has to offer but he’s out of his depth on this particular subject.
Sean Johnson
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Thanks!
Father Karl A Claver
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There was NOTHING the matter with the OLD RITE. Why was it changed? All the sacraments had their words changed, which tells us the Protestants and ecumenists wanted them changed.
Sean Johnson
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See Appendix IV regarding the morality of receiving doubtful sacraments. I agree that Fr. Calderon’s advice that we can sometimes receive them from doubtfully ordained priests is problematic, because the Church teaches otherwise. Yet, in America the SSPX has at least a dozen questionably ordained priests circulating, and at my own chapel, it was announced Fr. Settimo (not conditionally ordained) …More
See Appendix IV regarding the morality of receiving doubtful sacraments. I agree that Fr. Calderon’s advice that we can sometimes receive them from doubtfully ordained priests is problematic, because the Church teaches otherwise. Yet, in America the SSPX has at least a dozen questionably ordained priests circulating, and at my own chapel, it was announced Fr. Settimo (not conditionally ordained) will be arriving in a couple weeks. Thus, the SSPX throws the knowledgeable faithful into a crisis by circulating such priests, effectively giving an ultimatum: Be content to ignore the doubts and violate the church’s moral teaching, or don’t let the door hit you in the way out.
Erzherzog Eugen
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leider sieht die Praxis anders aus