Homosex Fanatics Lose Against BRAVE Bishop

@Ultraviolet It is not baseless to say Bergoglio is a heretic. He is on record as explicitly denying the existence of hell which is a heretical statement, to give but one example. His aversion to answering questions is clearly a tactic to avoid having to commit heresy to the record. You say he "doesn't have to answer dubia". In fact one of the basic duties of Pope is to teach and clarify the faith of Christians and failing to answer reasonable questions is clearly a big failing in that context.

@Gabriel Syme "It is not baseless to say Bergoglio is a heretic." It is for YOU to say that, according to Canon Law 751 which is how The Church, (not you) defines heresy. (Copy Pasta follows)

Canon Law 751 states "Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt."
Why is this distinction between an obstinate act (denial or doubt) and an act per se so important?

"Obstinate" shows a deliberate course of action in the face of correction, i.e. "stubbornly adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion."

Citation (Merriam-Webster dictionary entry: "Obstinate")

An obstinate denial or an obstinate doubt shows that:

a.) the accused heretic has expressed a view
b.) The Church has disgreed with that view as contrary to its teachings.
c.) The Church has attempted to correct the accused heretic
d.) the accused heretic has opposed that correction by the Church.

Regarding Pope Francis,
1.) He has certainly expressed his views.
2.) Points b.)-d.) have not.

Until they do, he isn't a heretic and YOU have no business calling him one.

Who has the temporal authority to represent the Church in correcting the supposed errors of the Church's highest temporal authority?

You can't answer this yet it is vital for establishing even a superficial, much less legally valid, accusation of heresy according to Canon Law 751.

@Jimmy
"Well we can have differing opinions but you'll be called a "Protestant" or have your physical appearance sullied."

That can happen when you demonstrateProtestant views and mock other people, Jimmy. You get what you give.

In your case, however, you go MUCH further than name calling. You go hunting for the people who have different opinions than yours, trying to track them down in the physical world. God only knows what sort of evil you've got planned if your successful.

You also criminally threaten your critics.

"It's basically the age old division of pharisees vs the little people."

Indeed. The Pharisees tried on at least one occasion to kill Christ. Like you, they couldn't cope with their falsehoods getting exposed. Like you, they sought to kill their foremost critic. John 8:59

"1)You don't debate."

Matty does and he beats you every time.

2) "we are saying based on the proof of B16's invalid resignation that he never was pope."

There is no such proof. Standard Jimmy tactic. Refer to "proof" never cite it. Every piece of "proof" you ever DID cite has been debunked.

"Can an antipope be a good Catholic?"

Irrelevant since Francis isn't either! :D

"Bergoglio, in my opinion and others, is an antipope and B16 is still pope..."

Your opinion isn't supported by the facts at hand.

"secondly, Bergoglio is also a heretic based on his every utterance."

Again, your opinion. Again, contradicted by Canon Law 751 and its definition of heresy. Your opinion, Jimmy, is an "I" problem… "Bergoglio is a heretic based on his every utterance" because I say so.

You're not The Church, so condeming heretics is not your call to make.

@Just me Certainly.....there is a difference between formal heresy and merely material or objective heresy. Many Catholics can easily fall into material or objective heresy from lack of full understanding of the doctrines of the Church, from the promptings of personal piety which -- for example -- can't bear the thought that Hell is eternal, so they conjecture to themselves that perhaps God has a way around the eternal torment of souls.

Material or objective heresy is to hold beliefs or opinions contrary to the teachings of the Church, but without necessarily being completely unwilling to accept correction concerning these errors once they are better informed or "formed".

All Catholics must hold and believe without question the dogmas of the Catholic Church, such as the existence of Hell, the Immaculate Conception, the Virgin Birth, the Real Presence, the binding nature of the Ten Commandments and so forth.

Further, the Church is a juridical institution; that is, it is governed by strict laws of jurisdiction, Canon Law, etc. which must be consulted and followed for matters of discipline and censure when the need arises-- very similar to how our own government and judicial system works when it is not abused: i.e. we assume a person is innocent until/unless proven guilty.

Thus, if a Pope were to contradict Catholic doctrine, or at least appear to in such a manner as to publicly call the Church's teachings into question -- admittedly, some of the Pope's personal comments, and even some passages in Amoris Laetitia, for example seem to do that -- then only a juridical body within the Church, such as the College of Cardinals, as one example, can convene to make a formal inquiry into the nature of the Pope's comments, his official documents (Apostolic letters, Encyclicals), etc., to see if they are truly and explicitly contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Faith, and -- if the inquiry substantiates that to be the case -- then this same body would have to examine the Pope's beliefs in the form of a canonical inquiry to see if these errors are "stubbornly" (i.e. pertinaciously) held, and whether he refuses to clarify and correct his beliefs in conformity with Catholic Doctrine.

It could well be that the troubling things Pope Francis has said would immediately be retracted and corrected by him were this type of juridical process pursued; meaning that his errors are not pertinacious -- i.e. stubbornly held -- and are merely expressions of a deformed piety or twisted mercy that does not seem to accord with the Laws of God.

If such an inquiry were held, the Pope thus confronted in a juridical forum, and he were to willingly correct what appear to be errors, then it is clear his errors were not "formal" or "pertinacious" heresy, and he would still be regarded as Pope.

Until and unless this happens, Catholics may safely assume we are not without a Pope and his authority -- when justly exercised in matters of the Church, and without detriment to the Church and Her Patrimony -- is valid and binding before God....such as the Consecration which took place today.

THIS ALSO pertains to questions about the election of Pope Francis and the resignation of Pope Benedict. Until and Unless a juridical inquiry is made into such matters -- and God has not willed that it be done, and we are now in the 10th year of the current Pontificate -- it is vain and fruitless and harmful to be conjecturing about whether we have a Pope.....as we don't have from God the "grace of state" nor the competency for such matters, and we might only harm and confuse souls even further...some to the point of despair.

The Church is a juridical body -- God knows that, intends that and works within that construct. Those of us without juridical competence or authority should simple trust that God is always in control, and will guide things for the ultimate good of the Church, despite the current crisis of the Faith within the Church.

As Catholics, that does not free us of the responsibility of Catholic discernment. We do not obey abuse of authority (i.e. use of authority to suppress and destroy that which was passed down to us by way of Sacred Tradition, since no Pope can abrogate or destroy what is rightfully the Church's inheritance, and must preserve it for future generations), nor are we to be silent in the face of apparent error, and may rightly speak out when even a Pope publishes or teaches what appears to be error.

So, that was a long-winded, very simplistic explanation lacking some of the necessary nuance and precision, but I hope that helps....?

May God bless you and reward your evident love for our Catholic Faith!