Thankyou President Andrzej Duda for standing up for the catholic church something that has been lacking amongst the catholic priests and bishops for quite some time
Talk about making a mountain from a molehill, to speak out against a group of people, because the deny the truth, does not make them anti that group of people, it makes them supports of truth and admonishers of falsehood. No different than if a majority of catholics were to receive Our Lord Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist in the hand, irreverently calling "these" people out in the same manner as not showing due respect for Our Lord is the same that doesn't make those, making such a comment, as anti catholic, its stating a fact. The jews don't believe in Jesus Christ; thats a fact, to say that they do is a lie, to state that fact, as being anti-semetic is also a lie.
@IndwellingTrinity
"Lol you need to read some Church history @Ultraviolet."
...and YOU need to double-check the person you're replying to.
I made only one comment on this post (until now) and it was a rhetorical question pointing out a factual omission. So there haven't been any so-called "outbursts", not yet. ;-). If you're referring to any of my other discussions -eslewhere-, maybe you should reply on the appropriate post which is not this one.
"Also, Christ said to love your enemies, that doesn't negate that they're still enemies of God."
That's for God to decide. Last time I checked, E. Michael Jones hasn't ascended to the godhead. If he has in your personal theology, then you really -should- take your own advice to heart about reading Church history.
"Not sure why you're defending Jews so much,"
I'm defending the truth, which isn't the garbage you and other disciples of E. Michael Jones insist on spreading here on GTV.
"but hiding behind "anti-semitism" whatever that is"
Oh, you know exactly what anti-Semitism is, I'm certain. That's a popular deflection bigots love to employ, shifting the conversation into debating semantics rather than the facts which simply don't support their (more correctly E. Michael Jones') claims.
Just in case you truly dnn't know what anti-Semitism is, here's the Merriam-Webster definition of the term.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-Semitism
"and calling me an enemy of Christ based on nothing but your own emotional outburts"
...except I didn't. Certainly not here. Why don't you try quoting me where I did so on this post. Quote me directly. Because the only comment I made here wasn't addressing you at all.
If I'm going to call you anything, I'll say you're a Jew-hating bigot who's so breath-takingly stupid you don't even know which person you're replying to.
@IndwellingTrinity You summed it up in this response, very well.
I have gone back to reading the Psalms of JEWISH King David lately, from our Catholic Douay Rheims Bible.
These ignorant ones, calling we Catholics, "Jew haters" is ridiculous.
They do not differentiate between true, faithful Jews, and the false Jews who hate Jesus, our Lord stated their father is the devil.
. Almighty God bless you, through this wicked era.
So true. You can't talk about the Jews any more than you can talk about any other group of people. In fact recently I read something which makes me believe many Jews in Israel are at the moment under the heel of the Masons in much the same way we are.
Our Lady of Zatoun, pray for us.
"They do not differentiate between true, faithful Jews, and the false Jews who hate Jesus, our Lord stated their father is the devil." -Be Ye Stupid
Speaking of differentiation...
A Jew who is ethnically Jewish remains a "true" Jew, regardless of their religious beliefs. Catholic saint Edith Stein was killed by the German Reich for just this reason. Your claim fails.
Further, you're making a fallacy of a false dilemma. There are more "Jews" than just
a.) "true, faithful Jews, and
b.) the false Jews who hate Jesus".
You assume that all non-Christian Jews "hate Jesus". Some non-Christian Jews don't even practice Judaism.
Have you taken a poll of the non-Christian Jews? Can you supply one showing they "hate Jesus"? No.
Then you have falsely accused a very large group of people without a single shred of evidence for your claim.
...becuase that's what stupid little bigots do.
Especially the real bottom-feeders who are such E. Michael Jones grouies, they even adopt his vocabulary of "false Jews" along with his errors.
"Ok, my mistake on the person I was replying to, no need to call me a 'stupid bigot'," @IndwellingTrinity
Your anti-Semitism brands you the latter and your inability to distinguish one writer from the other demonstrates you're the former.
"That's a serious lack of charity."
Y'think? ;-)
"but ya'll might as well be the same at this point based on your response."
...and then you whine about MY lack of charity. Typical bigot thinking. Doesn't matter, does it? Jews, critics, the guilty, the innocent, "ya'll might as well be the same at this point"
"Facts don't lie, nor do historical facts."
Oh boy... we got us a gen-u-wine historian here, folks.
"Either the Jews are usurious and hate the goyim or they don't,"
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Since, dear heart, you said "the Jews" you are accusing ALL Jews. You are making an accusation against everyone who can be defined as a "Jew". inb4 E. Michael Jones-powered deflections on who is a Jew.
Good luck trying to prove "the Jews are usurious and hate the goyim"
...because you're blaming all Jews as the Jews. Incidentally your statement is also a fallacy of a false dilemma, moron.
You better sit down with a good book on logic before you start diddling around with the "historical facts" spoon-fed you by E. Michael Jones..
"they either crucified Christ or they didn't."
Protip: the Romans did. Whoops. Technicality, but you're still wrong.
In terms of assigning guilt, last pope says "the Jews" didn't. So does the Catholic Church
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-12634176
--In the catechism which was produced by the Council of Trent, the Catholic Church affirmed the belief that the collectivity of sinful humanity was responsible for the death of Jesus, not only the Jews.[3] In the deliberations of the Second Vatican Council (1962–1965), the Roman Catholic Church under Pope Paul VI repudiated belief in collective Jewish guilt for the crucifixion of Jesus.[4] It declared that the accusation could not be made "against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today".--
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_deicide
So,no, "the Jews" didn't kill Christ. Boom. :D
"They either reject the Catholic faith or they don't."
Another fallacy of a false dilemma. Staggering displays of ignorance on your part..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Catholics
"Do you know who founded the Communists, Freemasons, Antifa, and BLM?"
Do you know who gave birth to Christ? ;-)
"Do you know that the Church specifically condemns all these movements in her encyclicals and teaching?"
Do they now? Please quote directly the Church Encyclical that condemns BLM and Antifa. By name. Cite it. Link it. Go for it.
Put up or shut up.
"go read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion."
It was a literary forgery, numb-skull
Snapping out "go read" doesn't support your claims, either.
"ad hominem attacks are a sin against charity."
Somebody doesn't know what an "ad hominem" attack even is. :D
"You accuse me of having a *personal* theology."
Is that a bad thing? You'd be a mighty weird kinda Catholic if you didn't. The question is whether your theology is based on Jesus or Jones. ;-)
"the very least a sin against charity."
You've been reading E. Michael Jone's twitter. You stink of it.
twitter.com/…/121762629875713…
"The Jews have a real and true agenda against Christianity"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Stein
"but I don't pretend they are above criticism or friend of Our Lord Jesus Christ, they are not."
www.jewsforjesus.org
You can shut up now. :D
"You should be banned from this site, calling Catholics bigots, stupid."
You mean the way YouTube banned Jones from their site? His fan-boys cried over thatand now, here, one of them is suggesting the same thing.
By the way, you haven't earned the right to call me "stupid", not when I'm the one correcting you over and over again. But that isn't a "ban-worthy" offense on GTV.
GTV users call the Pope and Cardinals far, far worse. It's perfectly acceptable. I've noticed you haven't been taking anyone to task for that. Funny thing. That's right, they weren't criticizing E. Michael Jones. Nice double-standards, there. :D
The same "freedom of speech" that doesn't get YOU banned for repeating the delusions of an anti-Semite also protects ME when I criticize that anti-Semite and expose his nonsense AS delusional.
Simply becuase Mr. Jones disgraces The Church by calling himself "Catholic" doesn't grant him any additional protection. Why not apply that standard evenly, yes? I call myself Catholic because I -am- Catholic, passionately so. I'm a traditionalist Catholic, -and- I can support that claim, demonstrating a much greater knowledge of Church teachings than you could ever hope to possess.
I'll be doing so shortly, in fact, correcting your mis-use of the term "blasphemy". But let's finish up with Jones and his supposedly "Catholic" ideology.
The Church directly contradicts his teachings. Even the Bishop of his diocese felt compelled to publicly contradict the basis of Jones' teaching lest anyone in the Church wrongly assume silence implied consent.
"Since you think you're just absolutely crushing me with logic,"
You aren't a psychic so you have no business asserting what I "think" you're quoting me directly where I'm telling you what I think.
If you are a psychic, this is readily proven. I purchased a lotto ticket this evening. It has date. Supply the name of the lottery and the selected numbers on the ticket. I can easily post a photo of the ticket, proving or disproving your the validity of your psychic powers.
If you can do that, I will accept your demonstration as proof of your psychic powers. Then, and only then, you can claim to know what I think.
"I was speaking about Jews who claim to be Jewish as their religion, not ethnic Jews who converted to the Catholic faith."
Were you now? Suuure. You're qualifying your statements after they've been corrected.
"You make some incredibly ridiculous leaps of logic and assumptions,"
None demonstrated, unsupported claim on your part..
"it's clear you seriously need to work on your humility and charity."
LOLOL. Yes. True. I do. Still, you should learn to speak for yourself without parroting E. Michael Jones.. :D
"Jews for Jesus? Are you kidding me? Hebrew Catholics? Really?"
No I'm not kidding you and yes, really.
You're a bigot, an anti-Semite, and like most of your kind E. Michael Jones included, you're ignorant. Those groups directly disprove the claims you made.Each example was posted as direct contradiction to a claim YOU made.
"There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church."
Agreed.
"You cannot claim to be a practicing Jew and a Catholic, period."
Strawman argument. I did not make a claim to the contrary.
As for Hebrew Catholics, observe: (from wiki)
--Hebrew Catholics subscribe to the doctrines of the Catholic faith and are in full communion with the Bishop of Rome, the Pope. Their point of differentiation lies not in dogmatic beliefs but in liturgical practices.--
Full communion means they are even MORE fully Catholic than the Orthodox schismatics both in doctrine and in acceptance of Church authority.
Liturgical practices and a different calendar aren't an issue. The Novus Ordo and Traditional Latin Mass already differ markedly in both liturgical practices AND their respective liturgical calendars.
Wiki also gives a fine example: --Where these Jewish holidays and practices do not conflict with Catholic doctrine, they are kept for ethnic reasons, much as Irish Americans might celebrate Saint Patrick's Day as a major feast day regardless of the diocese they reside in.--
Anti-Semites, of course, have no problem with Father Michael McGivney making a big to-do out of St. Paddy's day in his parish. That's just something the Irish do. But when a Father Nathan Weintraub does the same at Passover, then your kind flip out.
Typical double-standard endemic to all racial and religious bigotry. It ain't what's bein' done, it's who's doin' it, 'specially when they're jooooooz... :P
Jews can be entirely Catholic and racially Jewish. Saint Edith Stein for example. Again, you're displaying your ignorance, your malice, and the inevitable bigotry that stems from them.
"Jews who practice any form of Judaism cannot be saved, or any Catholic who brings Jewish practices into Catholicism cannot be saved because it's a sin of blasphemy..."
So long as cultural "practices" do not contradict Church teachings, they are not blasphemy.
You don't know what "blasphemy" is according to the teachings of the Church and it shows.
How you define the word and how the Church defines it are not the same. Like so many anti-Semite mouth-breathers today, you've spent far too much time with E. Michael Jones instead of the Catholic Catechism.
2148
Blasphemy is directly opposed to the second commandment. It consists in uttering against God - inwardly or outwardly - words of hatred, reproach, or defiance; in speaking ill of God; in failing in respect toward him in one's speech;
A racial Jew bringing cultural practices to his Catholic faith is not blaspheming. He is not uttering any of the ills stated in 2148 against God.
"Under no circumstance are Catholics permitted to involve themselves in a false religions practices."
...and you're making variation on your ealier mistake once again. Jewish culture and Jewish religious practices are not one and the same. It is the Church's purview to decide where and when those cultural practices contradict Her doctrines. It is not yours,
"Why are you even on this website?"
Because it's a Catholic web-site with a traditionalist focus. I am a traditionalist Catholic.
This is NOT, however, Stormfront and people like you shouldn't turn it into a "Catholic" version of that.
Now if only Poland can get rid of its anti Semitic problem.
Jesus would disagree that the Jews are His enemy. Satan is Jesus' enemy. Jesus came for the salvation of everyone.
But you just showed why many in Poland and many "traditional" Catholics are actually anti-Christian.
Today's false Jews are liars, of Satan.
"Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father, and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son, hath the Father also."
(1John)
The Apostle John, who wrote this is a true Jew, he embraced the Son of God, the Messiah.
Read Sacred Scripture above, the Jews deny Christ, they are anti-Christs. They have no Father in Heaven, they are bastards of the devil.
@IndwellingTrinity many people deny Christ. Human beings, Gods creation, cannot be enemies of God. God loves them all. God's enemy is Satan. The sin of pride, of unbelief comes from Satan. Jews are human beings loved by God. They need to be converted. They need to find Jesus, just like every unbelievers.
You're no different than the murderers of Jews in the Holocaust, or Stalin with the Ukrainians, or Mao with the Chinese. YOU are in open rebellion against Christ.
You are more lost than the Jew. You have the Truth and yet you refuse to abide by it or understand it.
JMY 1975. What antisemitism r u talking about? Any examples?You mean Poles are the largest group at Yad Vashem who risked their lives to save Jews from German death camps and this is your proof of Polish antisemitism, right?. This is the antisemitism u r talking about.? R u aware that Poland was the only country in Europe during WWII where there was an automatic death sentence (for the family/village -whatever Germans preferred) for hiding Jews? France, Holland openly cooperated with Germans to send them to concentration camps.
Franek99 why do you think Hitler put most of his camps there? The Polish population, most of them, hated Jews or looked the other way. Watch "Shoah ".
I'm not saying there werent devout Poles. We have Polish saints who paid the ultimate price. And God bless them. But just outside Auschwitz you can buy Nazi propaganda.
Anti Semitism is a European problem, mirroring the eastward movement of the diaspora. Poland has an anti Jew problem. As do so the Germans .
Truth is truth.
It is nonsense to call Catholics antiSemites. We are made up of true Jews: Apostles Peter, John, James... and peoples of numerous nations.
We learn from the Jewish prophet Isaiah, and Jewish King David's wonderful Psalms.
The satanic false Jews these days, such as George Soros and the Talmud Media, are financing and inciting mobs to destroy our Churches, and slander the Catholic missionaries who preached the Holy Word here in the Americas.
It is very important to distinguish between true faithful Jews of Christ, and the destructive false Jews of today who hate Jesus, and therefore hate Almighty God The Father.
@Be Ye Separate Why are there rabbis? Babylonian exile. Why is there a Talmud? Roman dispersion. Both were attempts to keep Judaism going after their temple was destroyed. Now, I don't agree with the Talmud, I don't agree with Judaism, just as I don't agree with early Christian Jew hatred, which, by the way, influenced parts of the Talmud.
I also don't agree with Buddhists, Protestants, Atheists, Muslims, and everyone else.
But the fact that YOU and alarmingly many "Catholics" assign special evil to one ethnicity-religion is not mere disagreement , it's bigotry. And it doesn't do one damn thing to convert people to Christ, which is Catholicism's entire point.
You know better. You're just another hate filled son of Satan. You actually reinforce the Jewish attitudes that created the Talmud. Disagree using dogma, not hate.
@Jmy1975
Jesus stated that the Jews who do not believe in Him, are sons of Satan.
In your warped logic, Jesus Is anti-Jew also.
@IndwellingTrinity If you believe there is a difference between an ethnic Jew and practicing Jew then why do you say communism is a Jewish thing? Lenin hated Judaism, and all religion. Yet what makes communism bad for nutters like you is the fact he was born Jewish . You are a mass of contradictions that you juggle to simultaneously condemn Jews en toto and defend yourself in particular. Loathesome.
This is how the president of Poland receives the Eucharist
@Be Ye Separate Recieiving on the tongue and then hating Jews in Christ's name is a mortal sin. #themoreyouknow
@Jmy1975 I do not hate the Jews.
You are mixed up, many Jews follow the hate filled Talmud teachings.
Their Talmud Teachings disgustingly slander our Lord Jesus, and these false Jews state that the Blessed Virgin was a prostitute.
Your Jews are the ones filled with hate.
What about Jews who don't follow Jesus -or- the Talmud, ;-) E. Michael Jones didn't teach you about them, did he? Poor thing.