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Litany of Loreto: Insertions with a Snag

"However, the Litany of Loreto is hardly used by the Vatican II church, and those who use the litany are likely to ignore these changes."

I would venture a guess that the overwhelming majority of Catholics does not even know what the Litany of Loreto is.

This is akin to the new mysteries of the Rosary. Most Catholics don't pray the Rosary, and many Catholics who do pray the Rosary don't pray …More
"However, the Litany of Loreto is hardly used by the Vatican II church, and those who use the litany are likely to ignore these changes."

I would venture a guess that the overwhelming majority of Catholics does not even know what the Litany of Loreto is.

This is akin to the new mysteries of the Rosary. Most Catholics don't pray the Rosary, and many Catholics who do pray the Rosary don't pray the new mysteries.
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Eternal rest grant unto Bishop Basil Meeking, O Lord!

Ordained as a priest 19 July 1953. Consecrated as a bishop 3 June 1987.

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Altar Girls Better Dressed than Cuddly Bishop

The article does not appear to be correct. There are altar boys in the photos, and they are dressed as altar boys. One boy and two girls are wearing the other clothing, and it appears to be some type of celebration for those three, probably Confirmation.

From a National Catholic Register article:

"This display of reverence at Communion — uncommon in the U.S. — seemed like a remarkable act of …More
The article does not appear to be correct. There are altar boys in the photos, and they are dressed as altar boys. One boy and two girls are wearing the other clothing, and it appears to be some type of celebration for those three, probably Confirmation.

From a National Catholic Register article:

"This display of reverence at Communion — uncommon in the U.S. — seemed like a remarkable act of piety, a harkening back to tradition. Franciscan Bishop Dávid Tencer, who leads the Catholic Diocese of Reykjavik, told me: 'Here, this is normal.' Bishop Tencer, a Capuchin friar, with a long flowing beard, said that kneeling is a popular tradition among Icelandic Catholics.

“'The people receive usually kneeling, though if they wish, they can also stand,' explained Father Patrick Breen, rector at the cathedral and vicar general of the diocese. 'It has always been this way, and it will be unless someone would decide to take away the communion rails.' Father Breen shuddered to think that would ever happen.

"Tradition runs deep in Iceland’s Catholic Church. 'I would say Icelandic Catholics who do practice tend to be quite conservative,' reported Father Breen. The sound of Gregorian chant sometimes fills Sunday Masses at Christ the King. And many signs associated with a vibrant Church, from Eucharistic adoration to family prayer life, are everywhere. There are also clear signs of which side the Church in Iceland takes on a most fundamental issue."

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They Might Be Saints: Fr. Patrick Peyton

I met Father Peyton in person many years ago. He was a very humble man.

There is a billboard in a very rural, non-Catholic portion of the country that I would pass on the way to work long ago. Every once in awhile it advertised Father's famous saying: "The family that prays together stays together."
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Communion with gloves in a PREPACKED plastic bags

About Rev. Father William A. Mentz

Father Bill, is a wedding officiant and Old Catholic Franciscan priest located in Scranton, Pennsylvania. Father Bill serves the Progressive Catholic Church as pastor of Ss Francis and Clare parish and conducts weddings of all types for the surrounding community. Father Bill will help you plan your special day in an open manner with professional conduct.

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About Rev. Father William A. Mentz

Father Bill, is a wedding officiant and Old Catholic Franciscan priest located in Scranton, Pennsylvania. Father Bill serves the Progressive Catholic Church as pastor of Ss Francis and Clare parish and conducts weddings of all types for the surrounding community. Father Bill will help you plan your special day in an open manner with professional conduct.

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WATCH: Courageous Priest Admonishes Bishops for Abandoning Their Flocks

Indeed. His name, parish, and diocese have already been posted on the Internet. I don't know how anyone thought they could keep his identity secret.
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Man Who Smeared Wartime Pope Dies – By Ronald J. Rychlak

"Another declassified secret report said: “it can also be argued that Hochhuth is engaged in some ‘decomposition’ exercise..."

Well, if he wasn't engaged in "some decomposition exercise" before, he is now.
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EWTN Chapel Receives Thousands of Roses After Priests Request Mary Garden |

So, the next time your bishop asks for your money, send him a rose.
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How to dress as a priest - Corona style

I always hated the slimy cooked pieces of celery. Good grief, who decided that needed to be in there?
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Old Rite Priest, Berlin: “I disinfect my fingers before every holy communion”

I asked Father today what type of alcohol he is using to sterilize the Communion spoon after each Communion, and he stated that it is Everclear, 95% alcohol.
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Bishop Stika: "You Cannot Go To Mass Without Masks"

Knoxville is in the Pittsburgh eparchy. There is a parish there. No such thing as Communion in the Hand in the Byzantine Rite (except for deacons). The Holy Eucharist is received under both sacred species via a spoon. St. Thomas the Apostle Byzantine Catholic Church, 2304 Ault Rd. Knoxville, Tennessee 37914.

Further west, Nashville has a Ukrainian parish and a Coptic Catholic parish.
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Not creepy at all.

Sure bet. And after you talk to my kids (my youngest is 26), you step out of the room and let me talk to yours.
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Catholics During The Spanish Flu - Begged God, Full Church

And to think that the Blessed Virgin was complaining about the state of the world in 1917. Good grief, what in the world does Heaven think of us now? We're doomed.
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Old Rite Priest, Berlin: “I disinfect my fingers before every holy communion”

Adding: I meant above that I didn't consider your prior comment snarky.
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Old Rite Priest, Berlin: “I disinfect my fingers before every holy communion”

I didn't consider the prior comment snarky. I was merely stating that it's just not an issue with people in the Byzantine Rite. Whether Father was sterilizing the spoon or not, no one would have cared.

In fact, in one of the parishes, the priest had resorted to distributing the Holy Eucharist in the fashion that the Melkites do, and the people complained and said they wanted to maintain the …More
I didn't consider the prior comment snarky. I was merely stating that it's just not an issue with people in the Byzantine Rite. Whether Father was sterilizing the spoon or not, no one would have cared.

In fact, in one of the parishes, the priest had resorted to distributing the Holy Eucharist in the fashion that the Melkites do, and the people complained and said they wanted to maintain the traditional way: via spoon.

The liturgy was video'd, and I remember that Father used a term for the alcohol he was using, but I just didn't pay attention. Now I'm intrigued, and I'll have to listen to it again to see what he called it.
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Analysis: The US Church is going broke. Here's why, and what it could mean

"By most estimates, that (weekly donation) amount has been on the decline since the 2018 sexual abuse scandal, which has prompted widespread frustration with bishops among active Catholics."

Now isn't that a shame... The bishops are the ones frustrated. How dare Americans tie their donations to the job performance they see.

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My first reaction upon reading that statement was the same as …More
"By most estimates, that (weekly donation) amount has been on the decline since the 2018 sexual abuse scandal, which has prompted widespread frustration with bishops among active Catholics."

Now isn't that a shame... The bishops are the ones frustrated. How dare Americans tie their donations to the job performance they see.

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My first reaction upon reading that statement was the same as yours, but in reading it over several times, I realized that it's saying the opposite, or at least trying to say the opposite.

It's not stating that the bishops are the ones frustrated; it's saying (or trying to) that, among active Catholics, there is widespread frustration with bishops as a result of the sexual abuse scandal.

In other words, according to that statement, it's "the active Catholics" who are frustrated with their bishops, not the other way around.

It's definitely not worded well. I had to read it several times to understand it.
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Old Rite Priest, Berlin: “I disinfect my fingers before every holy communion”

He did give the alcohol a name, but I don't recall what he said about that because the issue is unimportant to me. Catholics and Orthodox have been distributing the Holy Eucharist with a common spoon for centuries on end. I'm sure health experts consider that to be terribly unsanitary (babies receive Holy Communion, and oftentimes the priest will hit a person's teeth or the inside of the mouth), …More
He did give the alcohol a name, but I don't recall what he said about that because the issue is unimportant to me. Catholics and Orthodox have been distributing the Holy Eucharist with a common spoon for centuries on end. I'm sure health experts consider that to be terribly unsanitary (babies receive Holy Communion, and oftentimes the priest will hit a person's teeth or the inside of the mouth), but no really gives it a second thought.
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Old Rite Priest, Berlin: “I disinfect my fingers before every holy communion”

Our parish is open for liturgy (outdoors), and after each communicant receives, Father disinfects the spoon using alcohol, although it's never been an issue in the past. We don't have to worry about Communion in the Hand because there is no such thing in the Byzantine Rite (except for deacons).
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2019 Status report on the Traditional Mass - Numbers Around The Globe

2/1 – New World Countries where the traditional Mass is celebrated

"Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chili, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Ecuador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Trinidad and Tobago, Uruguay, USA.."

Puerto Rico is not a "country"; it is part of the United States. Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. No U.S. citizen …More
2/1 – New World Countries where the traditional Mass is celebrated

"Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chili, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Ecuador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Trinidad and Tobago, Uruguay, USA.."

Puerto Rico is not a "country"; it is part of the United States. Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens. No U.S. citizen needs a passport to go to Puerto Rico; it's part of our country.
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Catholic parish life (as we knew it) is not coming back anytime soon.

"For now, churches here will remain closed..."

And so will our wallets.
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"I'm not denying the communion of Saints."

That's good to know. Now, answer the question: Are the souls in purgatory included in the term "the communion of saints"?

"That's why I didn't really put much effort on reading what you put forth."

The real reason why you "didn't really put much effort on reading" what I put forth is because you can see quite clearly that the information I've given …More
"I'm not denying the communion of Saints."

That's good to know. Now, answer the question: Are the souls in purgatory included in the term "the communion of saints"?

"That's why I didn't really put much effort on reading what you put forth."

The real reason why you "didn't really put much effort on reading" what I put forth is because you can see quite clearly that the information I've given you shows that you're incorrect, isn't it?

Isn't that the true reason you're not reading or answering questions?

Does the Catholic Church give Saint Michael the Archangel the title "saint"? Yes or no?

Please explain how that fits into your above viewpoint. How is it possible for you to be correct about that?

Do you ever discuss religion with your priest?

You realize that, if you go to confession and confess only venial sins, the priest says the same words as what you quoted above?

"May our Lord Jesus Christ absolve thee; and by His very authority do I absolve thee from every bond of excommunication..."

Do venial sins exclude a person from the Church?

Most mortal sins do not exclude a person from the Church (some do, yes). It's heretical to say otherwise.

And for goodness sake, the original Douai Rheims Bible is not in "old English." It's early modern English.

The old English period ended in the 12th century and was replaced by middle English.

The middle English period ended in the 15th century and was replaced by the early modern English period, which is when the Douai Rheims was translated.

The language of the Douai Rheims is early modern English, not "old English."

You wouldn't even be able to read old English.

This is "old English" (to the best I can do it, as we don't have all the characters): Forpi mine leoue sustren, ouer alle ping beod bisie to habben schir heorte, Hwet is schir heorte?

Can you read that?

You don't like the modernized Douai Rheims? Fine, let's use the Vulgate.

That doesn't change the point though, does it? Because the passage in Daniel still shows Daniel speaking to "saints."

How is it possible for the Bible to call those people "saints" if your viewpoint is correct?

Vulgate, Daniel 8:


Et audivi unum de sanctis loquentem: et dixit unus sanctus alteri nescio cui loquenti: Usquequo visio, et iuge sacrificium, et peccatum desolationis, quae facta est: et sanctuarium, et fortitudo conculcabitur?

Do you not see the words "sanctis" and "sanctus" in that passage? And do you not realize that they translate to the words "saints" and "saint"?

Please be honest, like a Catholic man is supposed to be, and answer the questions.
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Finally, with reference to this statement, "Notice how it doesn't says saints on earth or saints in purgatory," it's a rather shocking question, as the Bible is chock full of instances where it calls people on earth "saints." And that is true of both the new and old testaments, dozens and dozens of times.

In your view, there could be no such possibility, as only the persons in Heaven are "…More
Finally, with reference to this statement, "Notice how it doesn't says saints on earth or saints in purgatory," it's a rather shocking question, as the Bible is chock full of instances where it calls people on earth "saints." And that is true of both the new and old testaments, dozens and dozens of times.

In your view, there could be no such possibility, as only the persons in Heaven are "saints."

As far as uncrowned saints, that is, people who are not in Heaven but who bear the title of "saint," we have the witness of Holy Scripture.

I wasn't going to bother posting this before, but because of your most recent post, I decided to do so.

See Daniel 8:13: "And I heard one of the saints speaking, and one saint said to another, I know not to whom that was speaking: How long shall be the vision, concerning the continual sacrifice, and the sin of the desolation that is made: and the sanctuary, and the strength be trodden under foot? And he said to him: Unto evening and morning two thousand three hundred days: and the sanctuary shall be cleansed."

So, sticking with your understanding of what constitutes a "saint," please explain how the inspired word of God, found in the Bible, would refer to someone as a saint during the Old Testament, keeping in mind that Heaven was closed to the human race during that period because no man could go to Heaven until after Christ opened Heaven by His sacrifice.

Who is Daniel referring to when he says he "heard one of the saints speaking"?

According to you, that "saint" would have to be in Heaven. How is that possible? Heaven was closed to people during the entire OT era.
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Further comment to help you: Your viewpoint on who qualifies for the title of "saint" is quite narrow and, indeed, incorrect.

Do you believe that Saint Michael the Archangel is a saint?

According to you, it would not be correct to refer to him as Saint Michael. He's an angel, not a saint, and therefore in your view he could not be referred to as a saint.

Please explain how an angel could …More
Further comment to help you: Your viewpoint on who qualifies for the title of "saint" is quite narrow and, indeed, incorrect.

Do you believe that Saint Michael the Archangel is a saint?

According to you, it would not be correct to refer to him as Saint Michael. He's an angel, not a saint, and therefore in your view he could not be referred to as a saint.

Please explain how an angel could also be a saint.
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BTW, your prior statement is an error:

Also, notice a couple sentences later in the Catholic Encyclopedia there is a major heretical error: "The living, even if they do not belong to the body of the true Church, share in it according to the measure of their union with Christ and with the soul of the Church." That's heretical. Non-Catholics and those in mortal sin have no union with Christ or …More
BTW, your prior statement is an error:

Also, notice a couple sentences later in the Catholic Encyclopedia there is a major heretical error: "The living, even if they do not belong to the body of the true Church, share in it according to the measure of their union with Christ and with the soul of the Church." That's heretical. Non-Catholics and those in mortal sin have no union with Christ or the Church. Modernism was already around at this time so I'm not surprised.

The idea that a Catholic in the state of mortal sin "has no union with the Church" is utterly false. Where did you get that idea?

If that were so, that would mean every mortal sin would excommunicate a Catholic, which is absurd.
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Notice how it doesn't says saints on earth or saints in purgatory?

You ignored the next sentence: The participants in that solidarity are called saints by reason of their destination and of their partaking of the fruits of the Redemption (1 Corinthians 1:2 — Greek Text).

Uncrowned Saints? That means they're not Saints yet. If you don't have a crown, you're not a Saint.

I was right; you're …More
Notice how it doesn't says saints on earth or saints in purgatory?

You ignored the next sentence: The participants in that solidarity are called saints by reason of their destination and of their partaking of the fruits of the Redemption (1 Corinthians 1:2 — Greek Text).

Uncrowned Saints? That means they're not Saints yet. If you don't have a crown, you're not a Saint.

I was right; you're young. Your reading skills are not good.

That's the exact opposite of what that says. It calls the souls in purgatory uncrowned saints.

If one must have a crown to be a saint, then there could be no such thing as an uncrowned saint.

Do you have access to a good priest? I suggest you ask him about these matters. He should be able to set you straight.

The souls in purgatory are part of the communion of saints. To deny that, is to deny the Catholic Faith.
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Correction: "Benziger" Brothers.
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Here is more information for you.

The following poem is found on page 9 in "A Book of Prayers and Reflections" by the well known Father Francis Xavier Lasance published in AD 1911 by Benzinger Brothers.

Take we up the touching burden of November plaints,
Pleading for the Holy Souls, God’s yet uncrowned Saints.
Still unpaid to our departed is the debt we owe;
Still unransomed, some are pining, …
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Here is more information for you.

The following poem is found on page 9 in "A Book of Prayers and Reflections" by the well known Father Francis Xavier Lasance published in AD 1911 by Benzinger Brothers.

Take we up the touching burden of November plaints,
Pleading for the Holy Souls, God’s yet uncrowned Saints.
Still unpaid to our departed is the debt we owe;
Still unransomed, some are pining, sore oppressed with woe.
Friends we loved and vowed to cherish call us in their need:
Prove we now our love was real, true in word and deed.
“Rest eternal grant them, Lord!” full often let us pray—
“Requiem æternam dona eis, Domine!”


Catholics have always referred to the holy souls in purgatory as "saints."
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To be honest, it's surprising to me that someone who claims to be Catholic is making such statements. No offense meant, but is it safe to assume you're fairly young and were born after the Second Vatican Council?

The answer to your question is readily available through Catholic sources. I'm sure if you were to ask a good priest, he would tell you also.

Here is the explanation.

I assume you …More
To be honest, it's surprising to me that someone who claims to be Catholic is making such statements. No offense meant, but is it safe to assume you're fairly young and were born after the Second Vatican Council?

The answer to your question is readily available through Catholic sources. I'm sure if you were to ask a good priest, he would tell you also.

Here is the explanation.

I assume you understand that the Church is divided into three parts: the Church militant, the Church suffering, and the Church triumphant.

All the souls in purgatory are part of the Church. They comprise that part of the Church that we call "the Church suffering."

In the Apostles Creed, we profess what is called "the communion of saints."

I believe in the Holy Ghost,
the Holy Catholic Church,
the communion of Saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting. Amen.

The definition of "the communion of saints" can be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia.

From the online edition:

"The communion of saints is the spiritual solidarity which binds together the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the organic unity of the same mystical body under Christ its head, and in a constant interchange of supernatural offices. The participants in that solidarity are called saints by reason of their destination and of their partaking of the fruits of the Redemption (1 Corinthians 1:2 — Greek Text). The damned are thus excluded from the communion of saints.

Thus, the souls in purgatory are part of "the communion of saints" and are, therefore, referred to by Catholics as "saints."

I hope that helps.
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From the Catholic Encyclopedia entry under "All Saints Day" dated in the year AD 1907.

"Solemnity celebrated on the first of November. It is instituted to honour all the saints, known and unknown, and, according to Urban IV, to supply any deficiencies in the faithful's celebration of saints' feasts during the year. "

A saint is any person who has died in the state of grace because …More
From the Catholic Encyclopedia entry under "All Saints Day" dated in the year AD 1907.

"Solemnity celebrated on the first of November. It is instituted to honour all the saints, known and unknown, and, according to Urban IV, to supply any deficiencies in the faithful's celebration of saints' feasts during the year. "

A saint is any person who has died in the state of grace because that person is either in Heaven or will eventually be there.

A person can be a saint even though he has never been officially declared a saint. The overwhelming majority of saints have not been canonized. Catholics have always prayed to such persons, and All Saints Day was established specifically to honor them.
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But did you retract your comment to tommy1? He's the one you need to address, not me. You told him that what he stated was idolatry.

Where's the retraction addressed to him?

You didn't say that the holy souls in purgatory are not saints?

Quote from you above: "We pray for people and we pray for souls in purgatory. Souls in purgatory are not Saints.."

Your quote: "I have never heard of millio…More
But did you retract your comment to tommy1? He's the one you need to address, not me. You told him that what he stated was idolatry.

Where's the retraction addressed to him?

You didn't say that the holy souls in purgatory are not saints?

Quote from you above: "We pray for people and we pray for souls in purgatory. Souls in purgatory are not Saints.."

Your quote: "I have never heard of millions of Catholics praying to those who are not considered Saints. Where does it say this is okay to do?"

I never made that statement. I said: "In addition, I pointed out to you that Catholics by the millions pray to uncanonized saints...."

Please read the posts and pay attention to what is written. That's what started this whole thing to begin with: You didn't read the initial post correctly.

You realize that everyone in Heaven is a saint, right? And you also realize that upwards of 99% of them are not canonized, right?

And you realize that the Church prays to every single saint, right?

Please read the Litany of the Saints, and you will see therein prayers to every person in Heaven, the overwhelming majority of whom are not canonized.

From the litany: "All ye holy Saints of God, make intercession for us."

It doesn't say "All ye holy canonized saints of God..." It just says "all ye holy saints."

Uncanonized saints in Heaven are no less saints than the apostles and martyrs. But they are certainly saints. The fact that they haven't been canonized is meaningless.
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I wasn't debating semantics, nor was I intending to argue. I was merely pointing out the truth.

As Catholics, we are, or should be, interested in only what is true because Christ is the Truth, and some of the things you stated were untrue or were based on an incorrect understanding of what is true, beginning with the very first comment regarding what tommy1 posted by Cardinal Sarah.

You stated …More
I wasn't debating semantics, nor was I intending to argue. I was merely pointing out the truth.

As Catholics, we are, or should be, interested in only what is true because Christ is the Truth, and some of the things you stated were untrue or were based on an incorrect understanding of what is true, beginning with the very first comment regarding what tommy1 posted by Cardinal Sarah.

You stated that what tommy1 wrote was "idolatry," and that was a false accusation, based on a false understanding of how English grammar works.

I saw no retraction of that accusation. Do you not feel the necessity of retracting the incorrect assertion?

You also stated that the "holy" souls in purgatory are not "saints," and that is untrue.

In addition, I pointed out to you that Catholics by the millions pray to uncanonized saints all the time, particularly for some favor or a cure to an illness, and that's what leads to their canonizations in the first place.
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I'm not confusing anything. With reference to the souls in purgatory, Catholics pray both to them and for them because they need our prayers but can also pray for us.

From Saint Alphonsus:

Prayer: The Great Means of Salvation and Perfection.

“[W]e should piously believe that God manifests our prayer to those holy souls in order that they may pray for us; and that so the charitable interchange …
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I'm not confusing anything. With reference to the souls in purgatory, Catholics pray both to them and for them because they need our prayers but can also pray for us.

From Saint Alphonsus:

Prayer: The Great Means of Salvation and Perfection.

“[W]e should piously believe that God manifests our prayer to those holy souls in order that they may pray for us; and that so the charitable interchange of mutual prayer may be kept up between them and us…

“[I]n this state they are well able to pray, as they are friends of God. If a father keeps a son whom he tenderly loves in confinement for some fault; if the son then is not in a state to pray for himself, is that any reason why he cannot pray for others? And may he not expect to obtain what he asks, knowing, as he does, his father’s affection for him? So the souls in purgatory, being beloved by God, and confirmed in grace, have absolutely no impediment to prevent them from praying for us.

“Still the Church does not invoke them, or implore their intercession, because ordinarily they have no cognizance of our prayers. But we may piously believe that God makes our prayers known to them; and then they, full of charity, most assuredly do not omit to pray for us. St. Catharine of Bologna, whenever she desired any favor, had recourse to the souls in purgatory, and was immediately heard. She even testified that by the intercession of the souls in purgatory she had obtained many graces which she had not been able to obtain by the intercession of the saints.”


The souls in purgatory are saints. The word "saint" comes from the Latin "sanctus," and can be translated as "holy" in the English language. French word for "holy" is... "saint." Spanish = "san."
Et cetera.

Thus, referring to "the holy souls in purgatory" is the same thing as saying "the saints in purgatory." The souls there are most certainly saints. "Saint" = "holy."

See Daniel 9:24 (Douai-Rheims):

"Seventy weeks are shortened upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, that transgression may be finished, and sin may have an end, and iniquity may be abolished; and everlasting justice may be brought; and vision and prophecy may be fulfilled; and the saint of saints may be anointed."

Saying "the saint of saints" is the exact same thing as saying "the holy of holies."

There is a chaplet dedicated to the souls in purgatory, and it includes a prayer to them.

Are you suggesting that a Catholic cannot pray to Pope Pius XII? How about Bishop Fulton Sheen? Or the stigmatist Terese Neumann?

So, did you pray to Padre Pio at any time between his death in 1968 and his canonization in 2002, or did you only pray for him (because you had no idea whether he was in Heaven until he was canonized, and you would have a duty to pray for his soul if he was in purgatory during that time)?
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@DJRESQ I understand that but that is besides the point. Do you pray to any of your past away relatives who were Catholics? No, you don't because you don't know if they went to heaven or not.

It doesn't matter whether we know with certainty any particular person, by name, is in Heaven.

We as Catholics pray to all the saints, including the saints in purgatory, so if any of my relatives, and …More
@DJRESQ I understand that but that is besides the point. Do you pray to any of your past away relatives who were Catholics? No, you don't because you don't know if they went to heaven or not.

It doesn't matter whether we know with certainty any particular person, by name, is in Heaven.

We as Catholics pray to all the saints, including the saints in purgatory, so if any of my relatives, and yours for that matter, are in Heaven or in purgatory, then, yes, I am praying to them. The overwhelming majority of people in Heaven are not officially canonized, but they are indeed "saints."

For goodness sake, people have been praying to Padre Pio since the day he died in 1968, and not a single one of them (myself included) could say with accuracy during that time that he had made it to Heaven, because he wasn't canonized until 34 years later (assuming you accept the legitimacy of his canonization).

I prayed to him for years before he was canonized, so did millions of Catholics.

It's a common practice of Catholics to pray to people who are not canonized (which means we have no assurance they are in Heaven).

Answered prayer is oftentimes one of the bases for canonization. How do you think some saints have been canonized? It's because someone prayed to them for things, such as a cure.
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Exclusive: Neiman Marcus to file for bankruptcy as soon as this week - sources

If Pope John Paul II died in the state of grace, he is a "saint." If he did not, then he is not a "saint."

What he did during his life is irrelevant to whether he is a "saint" because it's the state of a man's soul at death that is the determining factor. Example: Saint Dismas.

In the last few days of his life, I assume that Pope John Paul II was aware that he was dying. I don't know why he …More
If Pope John Paul II died in the state of grace, he is a "saint." If he did not, then he is not a "saint."

What he did during his life is irrelevant to whether he is a "saint" because it's the state of a man's soul at death that is the determining factor. Example: Saint Dismas.

In the last few days of his life, I assume that Pope John Paul II was aware that he was dying. I don't know why he wouldn't; everybody else in the world knew it.

And I also assume that he made a confession and was anointed, although I have no firsthand knowledge of that.

If he did those things, however, and died in the state of grace, what does that make him now?
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Exclusive: Neiman Marcus to file for bankruptcy as soon as this week - sources

You're misreading the headline.

The headline has "Cardinal R. Sarah" followed by a colon, which means Cardinal Sarah is the one making the statement "We pray to you..."

Follow the link and read the article.

Your point would be valid if the headline said, "Cardinal R. Sarah" followed by a comma, because that would address the words "We pray to you..." to Cardinal Sarah. "Cardinal Sarah, we …More
You're misreading the headline.

The headline has "Cardinal R. Sarah" followed by a colon, which means Cardinal Sarah is the one making the statement "We pray to you..."

Follow the link and read the article.

Your point would be valid if the headline said, "Cardinal R. Sarah" followed by a comma, because that would address the words "We pray to you..." to Cardinal Sarah. "Cardinal Sarah, we pray to you..."

But it's a colon, not a comma.

Thus, the speaker is Cardinal Sarah, and the cardinal is addressing the words "We pray to you" to John Paul II.
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Shock Pictures: Homosex Pseudo Marriage Staged In Austrian Church

Wow! Austria sure has changed since The Sound of Music.
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Bishop Schneider: Francis And His Synod Prepare for "Female Diaconate," "New Religion"

Technically, that would constitute "apostasy" as opposed to "heresy," although I guess the technicality wouldn't really matter if they both lead to the same place when all is said and done.
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Occult Event To Take Place at Latin Mass Chapel - Santa Fe

The event was cancelled.

Email from Archdiocese of Santa Fe:

The event has been cancelled.

The Archdiocese neither arranged for nor approved this event; indeed, we were only made aware of it this morning when e-mails came streaming in.

The Archdiocese no longer owns or directly controls the chapel of San Miguel; rather, it is now cared for by a private entity which states that there was some …More
The event was cancelled.

Email from Archdiocese of Santa Fe:

The event has been cancelled.

The Archdiocese neither arranged for nor approved this event; indeed, we were only made aware of it this morning when e-mails came streaming in.

The Archdiocese no longer owns or directly controls the chapel of San Miguel; rather, it is now cared for by a private entity which states that there was some miscommunication with those who proposed such an event. They assure us that the event is indeed canceled.

Blessings to you,

Fr. Glenn Jones
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Pope Francis’ Words Announcing Pachamama Recovery

That's too funny!
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Pachamama Throws the Friends of Francis Into Confusion - by Father Reto Nay

Speaking as an attorney, I would say that the Pachamama idols that were the actual ones involved here would never be able to be sold on ebay. Ebay is a U.S. based corporation. Technically, the idols were stolen, and in the U.S., stolen items cannot lawfully be sold to a third party. Personally, I would have smashed them with a hammer before throwing them into the Tiber; however, I stand in …More
Speaking as an attorney, I would say that the Pachamama idols that were the actual ones involved here would never be able to be sold on ebay. Ebay is a U.S. based corporation. Technically, the idols were stolen, and in the U.S., stolen items cannot lawfully be sold to a third party. Personally, I would have smashed them with a hammer before throwing them into the Tiber; however, I stand in solidarity with those soldiers of Christ.
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This same woman in clergyman appears all the time

This person is "indigenous" to some place, as we all are, but it's certainly not the Amazon.
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Halfway Through Synod: Vatikan Fakes Ignorance About Pachamama Statue

To be honest, I would prefer that the statue be a pagan... whatever. What would be worse is the suggestion, put forth by the people at "Where Peter Is," that the statue is a rendition of the Blessed Virgin. An outrage.
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October 13th, 1917 - The Sixth and Last Apparition of Our Lady of Fatima

October 13, 1917, is not the last apparition of Our Lady of Fatima. She appeared to Jacinta several times afterwards, and at least one more time to Francisco, as Sister Lucia makes clear in her memoirs.
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The Incredible Seer Alois Irlmaier – a Countryman of Joseph Ratzinger

I don't know whether the political prophecies of Irlmaier (who I know almost nothing about) stem from him, but political prophecies among Catholic mystics are endemic.

Just one example: Blessed Elena Aiello, who wrote to Benito Mussolini a letter that she claimed was dictated to her by Our Lord, telling him not to get Italy involved in WWII and what would happen if he did not listen.

Sister …More
I don't know whether the political prophecies of Irlmaier (who I know almost nothing about) stem from him, but political prophecies among Catholic mystics are endemic.

Just one example: Blessed Elena Aiello, who wrote to Benito Mussolini a letter that she claimed was dictated to her by Our Lord, telling him not to get Italy involved in WWII and what would happen if he did not listen.

Sister Elena made numerous political predictions regarding Italy, Russia, and the U.S. This statement can be found on this very website:

"Russia will march upon all the nations of Europe, particularly Italy, and will raise her flag over the dome of Saint Peter's. Italy will be severely tried by a great revolution, and Rome will be purified in blood for its many sins, especially those of impurity! The flock is about to be dispersed and the Pope must suffer greatly."

And, of course, Sacred Scripture is filled with political prophecies.
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The Incredible Seer Alois Irlmaier – a Countryman of Joseph Ratzinger

The subject of this thread is the alleged "prophecies" of Alois Irlmaier, not all the irrelevant things you mentioned. I don't know whether he's a valid "seer," and frankly I couldn't care less whether he is, but what I do know is that you misrepresented the statements that appear at the link. What authority do you possess to make pronouncements on the authenticity of his "predictions"? Do you …More
The subject of this thread is the alleged "prophecies" of Alois Irlmaier, not all the irrelevant things you mentioned. I don't know whether he's a valid "seer," and frankly I couldn't care less whether he is, but what I do know is that you misrepresented the statements that appear at the link. What authority do you possess to make pronouncements on the authenticity of his "predictions"? Do you set yourself above the Church?
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The Incredible Seer Alois Irlmaier – a Countryman of Joseph Ratzinger

I am not defending the seer; I was just correcting your false statements regarding his alleged "prophecies."

I have no idea whether this seer is accurate. In fact, I'm not sure I have ever even heard of him before. But your assumption that you are correct and he is wrong is... wrong.

You make false statements regarding what the seer is alleged to have stated, you come to false conclusions and …More
I am not defending the seer; I was just correcting your false statements regarding his alleged "prophecies."

I have no idea whether this seer is accurate. In fact, I'm not sure I have ever even heard of him before. But your assumption that you are correct and he is wrong is... wrong.

You make false statements regarding what the seer is alleged to have stated, you come to false conclusions and false assumptions based on your false reasoning, you assume you know what he meant as if being a mind reader, and then come up with the idea that the seer is wrong instead of looking at yourself and examining whether your ideas are wrong.

So, do you contend that all "seers/mystics" are fakes? Fatima? Lourdes? La Salette? Padre Pio?

Mockery is the resort of those whose ideas cannot withstand careful scrutiny.
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The Incredible Seer Alois Irlmaier – a Countryman of Joseph Ratzinger

By the way, when the alleged prophecies include the names of cities after the expression "three great cities," the names of those cities are in brackets, which should have been an indication to you that they were added by someone else and not mentioned by the seer.

In fact, there are other translations of those exact statements that can be found on the Internet, and none of the names of the …More
By the way, when the alleged prophecies include the names of cities after the expression "three great cities," the names of those cities are in brackets, which should have been an indication to you that they were added by someone else and not mentioned by the seer.

In fact, there are other translations of those exact statements that can be found on the Internet, and none of the names of the cities are included.

Another clue should have been in the statement "Then from 'K' [Koln?]..." Notice the brackets and the question mark? There's no indication that the seer said the word "Koln?" as if the seer did not know what he was saying. There is every reason to believe that someone else added that, just as the other names of the cities were added.

As I said, other translations are on the Internet, and the names of the cities are omitted.

In addition, the term "the great city" is a biblical expression that can be in the Apocalypse in several places. There is no indication that it refers to a country. In fact, every indication is to the contrary, that it is referring to a city.
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The Incredible Seer Alois Irlmaier – a Countryman of Joseph Ratzinger

"You attempt to defend Alois in a pointless effort to prove who knows what."

And you attempt to tell others what the man meant and that he was wrong, in a pointless effort to prove who knows what?

"Clearly he was speaking of the United States as 'the Great City.'”

And clearly that's just another assumption on your part.

Nowhere did the alleged seer say that "the Great City" means "the United…More
"You attempt to defend Alois in a pointless effort to prove who knows what."

And you attempt to tell others what the man meant and that he was wrong, in a pointless effort to prove who knows what?

"Clearly he was speaking of the United States as 'the Great City.'”

And clearly that's just another assumption on your part.

Nowhere did the alleged seer say that "the Great City" means "the United States," which is a country, not a city.

In another portion of the statement, he used the term "great cities," and he means... cities.

Another assumption on your part: The fact that the term "the Great City" is capitalized has meaning somehow. Who capitalized it? Who wrote those statements?

For goodness sake, they're just sentences on a website. Do you contend that Alois himself wrote those things and capitalized them?

In fact, the very sentence you quote defeats your presupposition.

After speaking about "the Great City" being destroyed by rockets, it then states: "and the West Coast will be invaded by Asians, but they will be beaten back..."

Well, if "the Great City" means the entire country, and the entire country gets destroyed, how does the West Coast (notice the caps?) get invaded by Asians if the country is destroyed? And if the entire country has already been destroyed, who beats them back?


Again, I ask: If an alleged seer makes a prophecy, and that prophecy has not yet taken place, does that mean the prophecy is "wrong"?
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The Incredible Seer Alois Irlmaier – a Countryman of Joseph Ratzinger

Where did you get the idea that it is difficult for me "to accept the fact that this or any other seer is not ALWAYS right?" You make a lot of unwarranted assumptions when you read things. In fact, I accept that statement unequivocally. I was merely pointing out the non sequiturs in your statements.

For instance, you apparently think that the statements found at the link were all made at the …More
Where did you get the idea that it is difficult for me "to accept the fact that this or any other seer is not ALWAYS right?" You make a lot of unwarranted assumptions when you read things. In fact, I accept that statement unequivocally. I was merely pointing out the non sequiturs in your statements.

For instance, you apparently think that the statements found at the link were all made at the same time, one after another, when in fact one statement could have been made 10 years before the statement that follows it. You have no way of knowing otherwise because you have no way of knowing how those statements were collected, who collected them, and when. They're just individual sentences that appear on a website.

Number 2, you constantly misquote the statements at the link. The alleged seer never said anything about "the United States" being destroyed by rockets. It states that "the great city" (unnamed) of the United States would be destroyed by rockets, and he never said when. The year 1999 is not mentioned in regard to that statement; you're the one that linked those two things.

Surely you don't believe that, merely because something has not occurred yet that someone predicted, that that means the prediction is false. Sister Lucia of Fatima has predicted the conversion of Russia, and the two seers of La Salette predicted that the entire world would one day become Catholic. Have you seen those things happen? If not, does that mean the predictions are false?

For goodness sake, Sacred Scripture is filled with predictions that have not yet come to pass. Are they therefore false?

Your reading comprehension is obviously not good.
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The Incredible Seer Alois Irlmaier – a Countryman of Joseph Ratzinger

"The year 1999 will bring destruction, followed by peace." Okay, but that begs the question. What did he mean by that? Destruction where? Followed by peace where? You're reading too much into these individual statements. Where did you get the idea that they were all stated at the same time? Who put them together? They're obviously not chronological. The statement that mentions the Third World …More
"The year 1999 will bring destruction, followed by peace." Okay, but that begs the question. What did he mean by that? Destruction where? Followed by peace where? You're reading too much into these individual statements. Where did you get the idea that they were all stated at the same time? Who put them together? They're obviously not chronological. The statement that mentions the Third World War, which appears after the statement with the 1999 date, has this: ""The Third World War will come, but I cannot predict the year." Was the United States destroyed? No. Did the seer predict when it would happen? No. You're conflating all the various statements as if they were a) all made at the same time and b) follow one another. There's no evidence from the link that that is true. In fact, reading the statement, it is obviously not true.