Motu Proprio Abolishing Summorum Pontificum WORSE than expected
Francis published on July 16 the Motu Proprio with the sarcastic title Traditionis Custodes (Guardians of Tradition) on the use of the Roman liturgy prior to the 1970 "reform." It was released only …More
Francis published on July 16 the Motu Proprio with the sarcastic title Traditionis Custodes (Guardians of Tradition) on the use of the Roman liturgy prior to the 1970 "reform."
It was released only in Italian and *English*. Francis decrees the falsehood that Paul VI' Novus Ordo - which is no "rite" but a jumble of liturgical experiments - is the "unique expression" of the Roman Rites, thus contradicting Benedict's idea of two forms of the Roman Rite.
From now on, it belongs again to the diocesan bishop - as it was before Summorum Pontificum - to dictate the liturgical celebrations of his diocese, and it is “his exclusive competence to authorise the use of the 1962 Roman Missal in his diocese.”
The bishop must determine that Old Rite Catholics “do not deny the validity and the legitimacy of the [failed] liturgical reform, dictated by Vatican Council II.”
He can designate one or more locations where the Old Rite faithful may gather “not however in the parochial churches and without the …More
It was released only in Italian and *English*. Francis decrees the falsehood that Paul VI' Novus Ordo - which is no "rite" but a jumble of liturgical experiments - is the "unique expression" of the Roman Rites, thus contradicting Benedict's idea of two forms of the Roman Rite.
From now on, it belongs again to the diocesan bishop - as it was before Summorum Pontificum - to dictate the liturgical celebrations of his diocese, and it is “his exclusive competence to authorise the use of the 1962 Roman Missal in his diocese.”
The bishop must determine that Old Rite Catholics “do not deny the validity and the legitimacy of the [failed] liturgical reform, dictated by Vatican Council II.”
He can designate one or more locations where the Old Rite faithful may gather “not however in the parochial churches and without the …More
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Lumen Praetorius
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Bergoglio’s rigidity is astounding.
And this from a man who, unlike his two predecessors, did not participate in the Second Vatican Council.
And this from a man who, unlike his two predecessors, did not participate in the Second Vatican Council.
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Rome may hate us but we are loved by God.
David Dvorak
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Just burn a little incense to our pachamamma god and all will be good. I say when Hell freezes over!
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Religious persecution...of Catholics...by the pope
This will create the division that Francis claims to cure through this ill advised and destructive new law.
Division is precisely what he wants. To draw a line so he can vet who thinks what and then corral and extinguish at will.
Isn't it highly clerical of him to have behaved in such fashion???More
Division is precisely what he wants. To draw a line so he can vet who thinks what and then corral and extinguish at will.
Isn't it highly clerical of him to have behaved in such fashion???
Isn't it highly clerical of him to have behaved in such fashion???
I just think he chose the wrong day, you don’t mess with Our Lady of Mount Carmel!
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Bergoglio’s rigidity will be crushed by the Blessed Virgin.
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The devil is tricky. He will masquerade himself in both traditionalism and modernism in order to divide and destroy trust in the Church. Traditionalists in the Church who claim that the Novus Ordo is a false mass are causing division, so i’m not surprised the pope is cracking down.
The NOMass is "valid" but compared to the TLMass God gave the Saints it is stripped of grace. Our Lady oversaw an Exorcism in 1977-78 where the Demons were forced to admit this and what they did thru their Masonic "Cardinals", infiltrated in, to bring this about.
In a recent book "The Godmother" a Priest who was there in Rome at the time and around those involved who caused Bugnini's removal -- he …More
The NOMass is "valid" but compared to the TLMass God gave the Saints it is stripped of grace. Our Lady oversaw an Exorcism in 1977-78 where the Demons were forced to admit this and what they did thru their Masonic "Cardinals", infiltrated in, to bring this about.
In a recent book "The Godmother" a Priest who was there in Rome at the time and around those involved who caused Bugnini's removal -- he flat out named names and stated Archbishop Bugnini was 100% proven to be an infiltrated in Mason and that is why he was exiled to Iran at the height of his power. There is no doubt this is a fact though apologists endlessly try to deny it. So Bugnini basically gave us the NOMass -- the Mass of the Masons. So although it is not "false" as it is "valid" i.e. they could do it...-- compared to the TLMass it is an abortion.
In a recent book "The Godmother" a Priest who was there in Rome at the time and around those involved who caused Bugnini's removal -- he flat out named names and stated Archbishop Bugnini was 100% proven to be an infiltrated in Mason and that is why he was exiled to Iran at the height of his power. There is no doubt this is a fact though apologists endlessly try to deny it. So Bugnini basically gave us the NOMass -- the Mass of the Masons. So although it is not "false" as it is "valid" i.e. they could do it...-- compared to the TLMass it is an abortion.
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It’s almost like a war between the heretics on the left and the Pharisees on the right, and the pope has to navigate the flock through them all.
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Catholics who love the Church and are devout, believing the truths she has always taught are not “Pharisees on the right”.
The real question is now, Is the pope Catholic?
That is, does he believe in the universality of the Church and does he actually embrace the Sacred Deposit of Faith?More
Catholics who love the Church and are devout, believing the truths she has always taught are not “Pharisees on the right”.
The real question is now, Is the pope Catholic?
That is, does he believe in the universality of the Church and does he actually embrace the Sacred Deposit of Faith?
The real question is now, Is the pope Catholic?
That is, does he believe in the universality of the Church and does he actually embrace the Sacred Deposit of Faith?
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Nothing in this world compares to the Latin mass, the glory it gives to the all mighty God surpasses all things.
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What good is traditional rite if you have to say Novus Ordo is ok?
Hard to see this as anything other than a life insurance policy for a liberal vision of the Church that those in Rome are acutely aware is not what most young priests in the west subscribe to. It’s a violently spiteful thrashing against an inevitable return to our Roman tradition
atreverse pensar
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Only one answer: we need to be more Catholic. Every day it becomes clearer to us where the truth lies. Not with its liturgical simulacrum.
Bergoglio will die, The Latin Mass will be with us until the end of time. (to paraphrase Rorate Caeli)
Bergoglio justifies suppression of Summorum Pontificum by saying he's respecting jurisdiction of the bishops While at the same time ordering them to no longer allow new TLM groups, establish TLM parishes, cannot give newly ordained priests permission, but must consult Holy See
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This should not surprise any of us here. If it does your missing a huge piece of the puzzle. No Consecration of Russia yet so all is going as planned. To say the Consecration has been done is the same as saying Our Lady is a liar which will earn you a spot in the depths of Hell. As Our Lady said, All you'll be left with is the Rosary. Remember all Our Lady doesn't lie! The Bishop dressed in white …More
This should not surprise any of us here. If it does your missing a huge piece of the puzzle. No Consecration of Russia yet so all is going as planned. To say the Consecration has been done is the same as saying Our Lady is a liar which will earn you a spot in the depths of Hell. As Our Lady said, All you'll be left with is the Rosary. Remember all Our Lady doesn't lie! The Bishop dressed in white will be executed unless by some chance in Hell he has a conversion and fulfills that request before his execution. Who knows though he is the god, I mean pope of surprises.
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It is totally useless to discuss this new attempt to ban the Mass of St Pius V. Just reread the bubble Quo Primum Tempore. It was decreed in Apostolic and Solemn fashion by St Pius V, and is final until the end of time, and no one should allow himself to change anything without incurring the curse of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul. It has thus become a dogma of faith to which all must submit.…More
It is totally useless to discuss this new attempt to ban the Mass of St Pius V. Just reread the bubble Quo Primum Tempore. It was decreed in Apostolic and Solemn fashion by St Pius V, and is final until the end of time, and no one should allow himself to change anything without incurring the curse of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul. It has thus become a dogma of faith to which all must submit. Let us therefore not waste time to discuss, God will recognize his, that is enough for my serenity...
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There is certainly no moral obligation to obey it, but it is going to be treated as though it is the law. We need to be ready to suffer for Our Lord.
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We won't submit to Bergoglianism. We will refuse point blank to do so. Our adherence is to Jesus Christ and the Mass of the Apostles.
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But the mass of the Apostles was not in Latin, It was in the vernacular..
If you do any research of the Mystic Saints it is 100% clear that the TLMass is the Mass God gave the Saints for us. St. Gertrude was allowed to go to Heaven and saw it is the Mass in Heaven and ALWAYS will be -- her Revelations --that have the stamp of approval of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the last page -- states this fact. The NOMass is the Mass of the Masons that proven Mason Archbishop Bugnini …More
If you do any research of the Mystic Saints it is 100% clear that the TLMass is the Mass God gave the Saints for us. St. Gertrude was allowed to go to Heaven and saw it is the Mass in Heaven and ALWAYS will be -- her Revelations --that have the stamp of approval of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the last page -- states this fact. The NOMass is the Mass of the Masons that proven Mason Archbishop Bugnini hoaked in with his fellow infiltrated in Masons acting as "Cardinals" and otherwise. This is just the latest move by those Masons/Communists infiltrators...it won't stand and all of it and them will be gone after The Warning and coming Fire Chastisement.
"But the mass of the Apostles was not in Latin, It was in the vernacular.."
What do you think "the vernacular" of Rome was in, say, AD 62?More
"But the mass of the Apostles was not in Latin, It was in the vernacular.."
What do you think "the vernacular" of Rome was in, say, AD 62?
What do you think "the vernacular" of Rome was in, say, AD 62?
John A Cassani
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This is an invitation to leave communion with “Francis.” Typical leftist totalitarianism in full display. It will be interesting to see what happens with the FSSP and the like. This would appear to outlaw their expansion, and give bishops carte blanche to kick them out. This is unjust, but so has everything else this criminal has done.
We now have a greater appreciation for what 1960-70s Catholics experienced, and what ecclesial "autodemolition" looks like.
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True. And this is worse than what was done in 1970. At least, back then, they didn’t know how bad things would turn out. These guys have the benefit of hindsight, and still take this action. At this point, any seminarian, including those in Trad communities, should think and pray very hard about whether they should continue. The establishment church hates priests who dare to have an actual conscience …More
True. And this is worse than what was done in 1970. At least, back then, they didn’t know how bad things would turn out. These guys have the benefit of hindsight, and still take this action. At this point, any seminarian, including those in Trad communities, should think and pray very hard about whether they should continue. The establishment church hates priests who dare to have an actual conscience, that is to say, a conscience that is not formed by the globalists.