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Cardinal Roche's Pre-Conclave U-Turn: "Nothing Wrong With Celebrating the 1962 Missal"

Francis' [propagandistic] idea of synodality is "an immense gift to the Church," Cardinal Arthur Roche, 74, Prefect for the Liturgy and very ambitious to become the next pope, gushed in front of TheCatholicHerald.com (March 6).

He dreams of being in "a new age" that lives a communication that is "not lobbying, not forcing opinions, or being aggressive" [while, in reality, the exact opposite is true].

The Cardinal laments "a deep lack" of liturgical formation, coupled with individuals who "believe that they can worship in whatever manner they choose".

Although Cardinal Roche has never discipline liturgical offenders, he suddenly wants priests to respect that "they are servants of the liturgy, not its creators".

The sworn enemy of Holy Mass - who has banned countless of Masses in cathedrals and parish churches - suddenly speaks in a conciliatory tone: "There is nothing wrong with attending the Mass celebrated with the 1962 missal. This has been accepted since the time of Pope St John Paul II, Pope Benedict and now Pope Francis."

The Mass is currently "not the norm", he adds: "For very good reasons, the Church, through conciliar legislation, decided to move away from what had become an overly elaborate (sic) form of celebrating the Mass" [in favour of the universally admitted Novus-Ordo chaos].

He tries to minimize the success of the Roman Rite, which he wanted to suppress: "The numbers devoted to the Traditional Latin Mass are, in reality, quite small, but some of the groups are quite clamorous. They are more noticeable because they make their voices heard."

Concluding caricature: "I often hear [=read online] people say, 'Cardinal Roche is against the Latin Mass.' Well, if they only knew that most days I celebrate the Mass in Latin because it is the common language for all of us here. It is the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin. I was trained as an altar boy until the age of 20, serving the Tridentine Form" [and then what?].

Picture: Arthur Roche © Mazur/cbcew.org.uk, CC BY-NC-ND, #newsPxljlqxusb

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Novena - Oremus shares this

CH: One of the phenomena that has become apparent in the modern Church is the devotion that young people have to the Traditional Latin Mass, the 1962 Roman Missal promulgated by Pope John XXIII. What advice would you give to those who want to remain faithful members of the Church and love the Latin Mass but find themselves restricted in attending?
CR: Of course, it is good that people want to be part of the Church, and there is no reason why they cannot. There is nothing wrong with attending the Mass celebrated with the 1962 missal. That has been accepted since the time of Pope St John Paul II, Pope Benedict and now Pope Francis.
What Pope Francis said in Traditionis Custodes is that it is not the norm. For very good reasons, the Church, through conciliar legislation, decided to move away from what had become an overly elaborate form of celebrating the Mass....
What interests me is why people get hot under the collar about others celebrating the Tridentine Mass. I think this has been a mistake. Bishop Wheeler, of the Diocese of Leeds, insisted that a Holy Mass be celebrated in Latin according to the Novus Ordo at least once every Sunday in every deanery. That showed considerable wisdom.
From my perspective, the celebration of the Eucharist, in whichever missal you are using, should be very noble and marked by noble simplicity.
I often hear people say, “Cardinal Roche is against the Latin Mass.” Well, if they only knew that most days I celebrate Mass in Latin because it is the common language for all of us here. It is the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin. I was trained as an altar boy until the age of 20, serving the Tridentine Form.

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Simon North

This man is an evil heretic - and a dissimulator. The Ancient Mass protects the Ancient Faith - which is what the Novus Ordo Missae was created to destroy - whether it's said in Latin or Lithuanian. Roche is a deceiver - and among the worst kind.

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Teresa Elvin

We don't assist at the TLM BECAUSE it's in Latin! We assist because it is the REAL, ORIGINAL HOLY MASS.
The NO in Latin is still the NO.
NO THANK YOU.

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Coenobium shares this

I feel strongly that his points re Traditionis Custodes are gaslighting. He claims to be confused about why some people (not him?) get "hot under the collar" about others celebrating with the 1962 Missal..

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Lisi Sterndorfer

His Eminence's memory is of a liturgical sprint -- 20 minutes from amice to amice -- which somehow was "overly elaborate".

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Sandy Barrett shares this

Cardinal Roche: “Nothing wrong” with attending Latin Mass—but says the Church moved away from its “overly elaborate” form.
Yet, Roche led sweeping bans on the Latin Mass, allowing only 60 parishes worldwide to celebrate it in 2022.

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St Thomas Aquinas

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Mike the Pike

He celebrates the Novus Ordo mass in Latin.
He says there is nothing wrong with attending TLM. Did he elaborate by saying, 'good luck finding a TLM'.
The fact that his words are intentionally misleading indicates Cardinal Roche cannot be trusted.

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K R Ross

Let's say things as they really are: Roche moved away from the Tradition and from the Traditional Latin Mass, the One True Church stands unchanged.

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Lisi Sterndorfer shares this

Cardinal Roche on the TLM:
"Of course, it is good that people want to be part of the Church, and there is no reason why they cannot. There is nothing wrong with attending the Mass celebrated with the 1962 missal. That has been accepted since the time of Pope St John Paul II, Pope Benedict and now Pope Francis.
What Pope Francis said in Traditionis Custodes is that it is not the norm. For very good reasons, the Church, through conciliar legislation, decided to move away from what had become an overly elaborate form of celebrating the Mass.
When I was at school, I used to serve Mass, and the priest would say to me: “Remember, boy, it’s 20 minutes, amice to amice.” What he meant was that as soon as he put the amice around his neck, I was to start counting the minutes until he took it off at the end of Mass. If, by chance, he reached the last Gospel by 15 minutes, I had to pull the back of his chasuble. It was a sort of scruple, I suppose, but something very different from what people experience in the Extraordinary Form today.
One of the things that has been very interesting to me is observing this situation worldwide. The numbers devoted to the Traditional Latin Mass are, in reality, quite small, but some of the groups are quite clamorous. They are more noticeable because they make their voices heard.
Another important point is that one of the major reforms of the Second Vatican Council was in Dei Verbum, which recognised that the scriptures needed to become more and more part of the daily diet of every Catholic Christian.
In the lectionary from the Novus Ordo, there is a three-year cycle for Sundays and a two-year cycle for weekday readings. There is a much lower percentage of scriptural readings in the 1962 missal than there are in the newer missal.
What interests me is why people get hot under the collar about others celebrating the Tridentine Mass. I think this has been a mistake. Bishop Wheeler, of the Diocese of Leeds, insisted that a Holy Mass be celebrated in Latin according to the Novus Ordo at least once every Sunday in every deanery. That showed considerable wisdom.
From my perspective, the celebration of the Eucharist, in whichever missal you are using, should be very noble and marked by noble simplicity.
I often hear people say, “Cardinal Roche is against the Latin Mass.” Well, if they only knew that most days I celebrate Mass in Latin because it is the common language for all of us here. It is the Novus Ordo Mass in Latin. I was trained as an altar boy until the age of 20, serving the Tridentine Form."

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SonoftheChurch

@Lisi Sterndorfer I’m sure you meant “amice to amice” as opposed to “abyss to abyss” which is most likely an innocent error in the transposing. Perhaps you should make that correction in your quote from the Cardinal’s interview.

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Lisi Sterndorfer

Thanks. Changed. (strange, I think they changed it)

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P N F

It should be very clear what the Bergoglian strategy is. The TLM is currently "accepted" but "is not the norm." However, it is "considerable wisdom" to celebrate the Novus Ordo in Latin on Sundays.
Did you see the sleight of hand? Did you see the parlor trick? There is nothing wrong with Latin in the liturgy because it is " the common language for all of us [in the Vatican]." He wants to feign respect and love for "Latin" while disparaging the specific Holy prayers that are found only in the Tridentine Mass.
This is the deception. The Novus Ordo did not just allow the same prayers to be said in vernacular languages. No, the Novus Ordo changed the words that are prayed in the Mass. The infiltrators understand the power of those original prayers, even if most regular Catholics do not. The infiltrators know that in order to destroy more souls, they must get rid of those Holy prayers in the Tridentine Mass.
They will soon create a liturgical "peace." They will offer to allow the "Latin mass" as long as the Novus Ordo is the missal used. Most Catholics currently attending the TLM will go along with this deception, precisely because they do not understand that the words of the prayers are different. The prayers of the Tridentine Mass are holy. The replacement prayers in the Novus Ordo are unholy and sacrilegious.

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Michi Gini

This shows that even his most loyal followers are repositioning themselves, and that at the conclave they will have already changed sides.
They are flags... If until yesterday you said and did what you wanted and now you risk no longer having anyone to protect you, if you want to survive, you change position

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GIANLUCA CROCIATO MARTONE

Falsita' totale

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