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Novus Ordo Is the Sacrifice of Cain

We can equate the Roman Rite with Abel who sacrifices the lamb whereas Cain is the Novus Ordo which offers to the Lord “the fruit of the earth and of man's labour,” Eck writes on Caminante-Wanderer.Blogspot.com (September 15).

Abel’s lamb is a symbol for Christ, the God-Man, Cain’s “fruit of the earth and of man’s labour” (Novus Ordo offertory prayer) is a symbol for man. God looks favourably on Abel's sacrifice but not on Cain's.

Francis sees the graces flowing from the Roman Rite while he doesn’t obtain the desired fruit from the Novus Ordo. So, filled with envy, he did as Cain did who killed Abel with the jawbone of the ass, symbol for Traditionis Custodes.

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Jan Joseph
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De vloek van het Tweede Vaticaanse Concilie wordt steeds duidelijker. Het Tweede Vaticaanse Concilie wilde oecumene, de Rooms Katholieke kerk moest samensmelten met de Protestantse kerk. In de Protestantse kerk hoeft de Dominee, de voorganger, niet gelovig te zijn. De Dominee wordt aangenomen op basis van zijn opleiding. Na het Tweede Vaticaanse werd de Novus Ordo mis geïntroduceerd. Nu blijkt dat …More
De vloek van het Tweede Vaticaanse Concilie wordt steeds duidelijker. Het Tweede Vaticaanse Concilie wilde oecumene, de Rooms Katholieke kerk moest samensmelten met de Protestantse kerk. In de Protestantse kerk hoeft de Dominee, de voorganger, niet gelovig te zijn. De Dominee wordt aangenomen op basis van zijn opleiding. Na het Tweede Vaticaanse werd de Novus Ordo mis geïntroduceerd. Nu blijkt dat veel priesters die de Novus Ordo mis opdragen ook niet meer geloven. Er is geen passie meer. Dit is de kern waarom de Rooms Katholieke kerk leegloopt en de Tridentijnse Rooms Katholieke kerk volloopt. Priesters die het Universele Tridentijnse Rooms Katholieke geloof belijden, hebben passie en trekken volle kerken, omdat ze overtuigde gelovigen zijn.
Octeres
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The article on the blog is blasphemous, and so is this post which favores it. The article claims that the new rite is evil, and not holy. Here is the quote: “The evil of the Vatican Rite is not that it is not a holy rite...”. Really? Is the new mass not pleasing to God? Is it evil? And if it is, then whoever attended it should repent and confess? Blasphemy! And all you clappers are blasphemers too …More
The article on the blog is blasphemous, and so is this post which favores it. The article claims that the new rite is evil, and not holy. Here is the quote: “The evil of the Vatican Rite is not that it is not a holy rite...”. Really? Is the new mass not pleasing to God? Is it evil? And if it is, then whoever attended it should repent and confess? Blasphemy! And all you clappers are blasphemers too. And all who say nothing, are worth the same.
V.R.S.
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"The article on the blog is blasphemous, and so is this post which favores it. The article claims that the new rite is evil, and not holy. Here is the quote: “The evil of the Vatican Rite is not that it is not a holy rite...”. Really? Is the new mass not pleasing to God? Is it evil?..."
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It seems that you are unable to distinguish the Mass from the rite. The rite is the standard according to …More
"The article on the blog is blasphemous, and so is this post which favores it. The article claims that the new rite is evil, and not holy. Here is the quote: “The evil of the Vatican Rite is not that it is not a holy rite...”. Really? Is the new mass not pleasing to God? Is it evil?..."
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It seems that you are unable to distinguish the Mass from the rite. The rite is the standard according to which the Mass is performed. Yes, the rite can be not holy or evil e.g. if it is schismatic (as in case of the so-called "Russian Orthodox") or heresy-friendly. The rite as the standard (norm/ template) plays in particular the role of the safety policy. In other words, it is the guard of the lex orandi strictly correlated to the lex credendi. Of the holiness and sacredness of the particular Mass. Including holy traditions. Therefore, the Council of Trent declared solemnly: "If any one saith, that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, wont to be used in the solemn administration of the sacraments, may be contemned, or without sin be omitted at pleasure by the ministers, or be changed, by any pastor of the churches, into other new ones; let him be anathema."
The basic obligation of the guardian of both above laws (the Pope in the first place) is to safeguard and protect the rite. If the guardian fails to do it - yes it is a great evil. The important tool of the Protestant revolution was the demolition the Catholic rites, creation of new "evil" ones.
Moreover, we must distinguish the validity of the Mass as the Sacrifice from factors referring to its liceity (e.g. accompanying desecration by physical or spiritual - i.e. introducing heterodox elements diluting the Catholic truth on the Mass or even contradicting it - acts may make the Mass illicit).
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Octeres
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Oh, you philosophers, always potato-tomato issues with you. According to your own words, “The rite is the standard according to which the Mass is performed” - so if the rite is evil, then the mass is evil. And again, according to your words “the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church”. The new rite was 'received and approved' by the Catholic Church. Let it sink in
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Ultraviolet
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The Catholic Church and Scripture contradicts the author quoted. 1.) Both forms of the Mass are valid and, thus, God accepts both. 2.) Scripture does not state Cain "killed Abel with the jawbone of the ass". Genesis 4:8 doesn't mention which murder weapon was used, regardless of the translation..
There's an "ass" here and it's the author being quoted. Eck is confusing Cain with Samson who in …More
The Catholic Church and Scripture contradicts the author quoted. 1.) Both forms of the Mass are valid and, thus, God accepts both. 2.) Scripture does not state Cain "killed Abel with the jawbone of the ass". Genesis 4:8 doesn't mention which murder weapon was used, regardless of the translation..

There's an "ass" here and it's the author being quoted. Eck is confusing Cain with Samson who in Judges 15:16 boasted, "With the jawbone of an ass, with the jaw of the colt of asses I have destroyed them, and have slain a thousand men."

He isn't the first to do so, this mistake was started by certain fanciful and inaccurate medieval illuminators.

It took hold and has lingered ever since. Not all medieval depictions show Cain using a jawbone, either.

Some show Cain using a club, one bas-relief carved length of ivory in the Louvre shows Cain strangling Abel. The jawbone was a decided favorite of 17-19th century woodcut illustrators. Later depictions, based on archeological evidence of stone-age farming, included stone-tipped hoes and axes.

The Hebrew letters for Cain, "QYN" are also used for the root word "spear", pointing (pun intended) to yet another possible murder weapon.
Susan Goeller
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Simple yet so clear! Thank you. Now I know why at a novus order there are demons every where. However when the TLM starts demons vacate in a flash. They can not stand the Latin Rite!
mccallansteve
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Brilliant comparison!
Jan Joseph
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De gelovigen die het Universele Tridentijnse Rooms Katholieke geloof van voor het Tweede Vaticaanse Concilie belijden, belijden een totaal ander geloof dan de Rooms Katholieken die geloven in het geloof van het Tweede Vaticaanse Concilie, met de Novus Ordo liturgie. Het besluit van paus Franciscus op 16 juli 2021 om de Tridentijnse Heilige Mis te verbieden is gewoon een zuiver schisma. Er zijn nu …More
De gelovigen die het Universele Tridentijnse Rooms Katholieke geloof van voor het Tweede Vaticaanse Concilie belijden, belijden een totaal ander geloof dan de Rooms Katholieken die geloven in het geloof van het Tweede Vaticaanse Concilie, met de Novus Ordo liturgie. Het besluit van paus Franciscus op 16 juli 2021 om de Tridentijnse Heilige Mis te verbieden is gewoon een zuiver schisma. Er zijn nu twee kerken, de Rooms Katholieke kerk van na het Tweede Vaticaanse Concilie en de Tridentijnse Rooms Katholieke kerk van voor het Tweede Vaticaanse Concilie die bestuurd wordt door de Pius X Broederschap.
atreverse pensar
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The oracle of the vaccinated blogger.
So, if he himself says that the Novus Ordo Mass is valid, how can a valid sacrifice be a bad sacrifice?
Or does he say that the Novus Ordo is invalid?
And if it is valid, but imperfect, it is not Cain's either. Although it is a Mass that God did not want to exist.
Then let him state his position clearly, and leave Abel and Cain alone.
Steven Stewart
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The concept is "valid but offensive" and one may add "by design" and not be overstating the case.
John A Cassani
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This proves the adage that “all analogies limp.” I can see what he’s getting at, but in any valid Mass, Christ is priest, victim, and altar.
Jeffrey Ade
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Res Sacramenti anyone?
V.R.S.
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"how can a valid sacrifice be a bad sacrifice?"
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Another one unable to distinguish the rite from the sacrifice (performed in that rite).
As to validity: in very simplified words - if somebody hits you it will be definitely a valid act but bad at the same time. Validity has nothing to do with goodness or badness. It means that the act has happened. For example: mixing the valid sacred act with …More
"how can a valid sacrifice be a bad sacrifice?"
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Another one unable to distinguish the rite from the sacrifice (performed in that rite).
As to validity: in very simplified words - if somebody hits you it will be definitely a valid act but bad at the same time. Validity has nothing to do with goodness or badness. It means that the act has happened. For example: mixing the valid sacred act with profane ("bad' - if you prefer) elements is called desecration.

"And if it is valid, but imperfect, it is not Cain's either"
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What is the basis of your supposition that the Cain's sacrifice was invalid? He performed it according to the ritual - offering first fruits of the earth. It was valid but God was not pleased.
atreverse pensar
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If it is valid, then there is the Body of Christ, which cannot be Cain's sacrifice, because Cain offered EVIL FRUIT.
The problem of Novus Ordo is precisely its question of validity.
This has generated the whole struggle of the traditionalists.
But the vaccinated blogger - he has no problem with the vaccine - admits the validity.
What I am saying is that the comparison is inappropriate.More
If it is valid, then there is the Body of Christ, which cannot be Cain's sacrifice, because Cain offered EVIL FRUIT.

The problem of Novus Ordo is precisely its question of validity.
This has generated the whole struggle of the traditionalists.
But the vaccinated blogger - he has no problem with the vaccine - admits the validity.
What I am saying is that the comparison is inappropriate.
Ultraviolet
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"Validity has nothing to do with goodness or badness. It means that the act has happened." @V.R.S.
No it doesn't. It doesn't mean anything of the sort.
"Validity" imparts a judgement on the quality and acceptability of something. Specifically (according to the Oxford English Dictionary 1.) "The quality of being logically or factually sound; soundness or cogency." and "The state of being legally …More
"Validity has nothing to do with goodness or badness. It means that the act has happened." @V.R.S.

No it doesn't. It doesn't mean anything of the sort.

"Validity" imparts a judgement on the quality and acceptability of something. Specifically (according to the Oxford English Dictionary 1.) "The quality of being logically or factually sound; soundness or cogency." and "The state of being legally or officially binding or acceptable."

Merriam-Webster corroborates this:

Validity is a: "the state of being acceptable according to the law..." and b.: "the quality of being well-grounded, sound, or correct..."

So yes, it does have everything to do with "goodness" or "badness" when those terms are applied reason and law.

Pole-Land shouldn't lecture Spain on the meaning of words in English. That's Murrica's job. :D
atreverse pensar
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The author's Abel-Cain approach is inadequate.
But the Novus Ordo and the Traditional Mass are two very different things.
The Novus Ordo does not reflect the faith of the Church. A rite that departs dramatically from the Catholic theology of the Holy Mass cannot be willed by God.
Scapular
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Interesting type and antitype!
De Profundis
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