Foul Play: Germans Ask Rome for Novelties They Have Already Introduced. On Easter – Lay Liturgy Instead of Mass In German-speaking dioceses, lay liturgies are multiplying - even for the highest holidays …More
Foul Play: Germans Ask Rome for Novelties They Have Already Introduced.
On Easter – Lay Liturgy Instead of Mass
In German-speaking dioceses, lay liturgies are multiplying - even for the highest holidays. Gloria.tv has learned that believers of several dioceses are protesting because of parishes where all Easter liturgies are presided by lay people. Lay Easter liturgies seem to be popular especially in Cardinal Marx’ Munich archdiocese.
Austria: Graz Diocese is the Pioneer
The Austrian trailblazer for lay liturgies is Graz diocese. In January, it published a 41-page handout for lay Christmas, Easter and Corpus Christi liturgies. In its preface, Graz Bishop Krautwaschl writes that these feasts should have a – quote - "liturgical expression" in every parish, even if the - quote: "customary full form of celebration" is not possible. Krautwaschl presents the handout as something that should be - quote: "further developed" by daily use.
Lay Christmas, But Saint Stephen's Day with Mass
The handout wants lay liturgies of Christmas, Easter and Corpus Christi to be prepared by a “team” together with (quote) "a leader". Special attention is given to the music and the (quote) "sermon". Each parish is encouraged to choose the liturgical dresses for the liturgical "leaders". The handout explains, that on instead of the Midnight Mass and Christmas Day Mass lay liturgies may be organized. However, in that case, on St. Stephen's Day, when few people come to church, a Eucharistic should be scheduled.
Lay Triduum, But Mass on Easter Monday
According to the handout the unity of the Easter Triduum is visible through "the same leader" or "a stable congregation". It recommends baking bread for the Holy Thursday lay liturgy in order to - quote: "be closer to the shape of the bread". Graz Diocese recommends celebrating at least one Mass from Easter Vigil to Easter Monday. The handout stresses that the Easter food blessing after the lay liturgy is arranged by the "team" in a high quality and festive way - including liturgical clothing, because (quote): "The Easter food blessing is for many people the Easter celebration par excellence".
Corpus Christi: Lay Minister in Alb, with Velum, Monstrance
The handout also contains a Corpus Christi lay liturgies with a procession. It recommends bringing in a consecrated host for the monstrance from a near-by parish where a mass is celebrated at about the same time. Regarding the procession, it says - quote: "A communion minister commissioned by the bishop carries the monstrance and may wear a liturgical garment (alb) and velum over it."
On Easter – Lay Liturgy Instead of Mass
In German-speaking dioceses, lay liturgies are multiplying - even for the highest holidays. Gloria.tv has learned that believers of several dioceses are protesting because of parishes where all Easter liturgies are presided by lay people. Lay Easter liturgies seem to be popular especially in Cardinal Marx’ Munich archdiocese.
Austria: Graz Diocese is the Pioneer
The Austrian trailblazer for lay liturgies is Graz diocese. In January, it published a 41-page handout for lay Christmas, Easter and Corpus Christi liturgies. In its preface, Graz Bishop Krautwaschl writes that these feasts should have a – quote - "liturgical expression" in every parish, even if the - quote: "customary full form of celebration" is not possible. Krautwaschl presents the handout as something that should be - quote: "further developed" by daily use.
Lay Christmas, But Saint Stephen's Day with Mass
The handout wants lay liturgies of Christmas, Easter and Corpus Christi to be prepared by a “team” together with (quote) "a leader". Special attention is given to the music and the (quote) "sermon". Each parish is encouraged to choose the liturgical dresses for the liturgical "leaders". The handout explains, that on instead of the Midnight Mass and Christmas Day Mass lay liturgies may be organized. However, in that case, on St. Stephen's Day, when few people come to church, a Eucharistic should be scheduled.
Lay Triduum, But Mass on Easter Monday
According to the handout the unity of the Easter Triduum is visible through "the same leader" or "a stable congregation". It recommends baking bread for the Holy Thursday lay liturgy in order to - quote: "be closer to the shape of the bread". Graz Diocese recommends celebrating at least one Mass from Easter Vigil to Easter Monday. The handout stresses that the Easter food blessing after the lay liturgy is arranged by the "team" in a high quality and festive way - including liturgical clothing, because (quote): "The Easter food blessing is for many people the Easter celebration par excellence".
Corpus Christi: Lay Minister in Alb, with Velum, Monstrance
The handout also contains a Corpus Christi lay liturgies with a procession. It recommends bringing in a consecrated host for the monstrance from a near-by parish where a mass is celebrated at about the same time. Regarding the procession, it says - quote: "A communion minister commissioned by the bishop carries the monstrance and may wear a liturgical garment (alb) and velum over it."
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For shame. They should practice some humility and request missionary priests to help them from Nigeria or Vietnam, where people know what it is to live and die for the true Faith.
FAUX-JEU : les ALLEMANDS DEMANDENT à ROME les NOUVEAUTÉS qu'ils ont DÉJÀ INTRODUITES
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A Pâques - Liturgie laïque au lieu de la messe
Dans les diocèses germanophones, les liturgies laïques se multiplient - même pour les fêtes les plus importantes. Gloria.tv a appris que les croyants de plusieurs diocèses protestent à cause des paroisses où …More
FAUX-JEU : les ALLEMANDS DEMANDENT à ROME les NOUVEAUTÉS qu'ils ont DÉJÀ INTRODUITES
catholique.forumactif.com/t680-news-au-11-fevrier-2020
A Pâques - Liturgie laïque au lieu de la messe
Dans les diocèses germanophones, les liturgies laïques se multiplient - même pour les fêtes les plus importantes. Gloria.tv a appris que les croyants de plusieurs diocèses protestent à cause des paroisses où toutes les liturgies de Pâques sont présidées par des laïcs. Les liturgies pascales laïques semblent être populaires, surtout dans l'archidiocèse du cardinal Marx à Munich.
Autriche : Le diocèse de Graz est le pionnier
Le pionnier autrichien des liturgies laïques est le diocèse de Graz. En janvier, il a publié un document de 41 pages pour les liturgies laïques de Noël, de Pâques et de la Fête-Dieu. Dans sa préface, l'évêque Krautwaschl de Graz écrit que ces fêtes devraient avoir une - citation - « expression liturgique » dans chaque paroisse, même si - citation : « la forme complète habituelle de célébration » n'est pas possible. Mgr Krautwaschl présente le document comme quelque chose qui devrait être - citation : « développé » par l'usage quotidien.
Laïcisez Noël, mais une messe pour le jour de la Saint-Étienne
Le document veut que les liturgies laïques de Noël, de Pâques et de la Fête-Dieu soient préparées par une « équipe » avec (je cite) « un responsable ». Une attention particulière est accordée à la musique et au (je cite) « sermon ». Chaque paroisse est encouragée à choisir les vêtements liturgiques pour les « animateurs » de la liturgie. Le document explique qu'au lieu de la Messe de minuit et de la Messe du jour de Noël, des liturgies laïques peuvent être organisées. Cependant, dans ce cas, le jour de la Saint-Étienne, lorsque peu de personnes viennent à l'église, une Eucharistie doit être prévue.
Triduum laïc, mais messe le lundi de Pâques
Selon le document, l'unité du Triduum de Pâques est visible à travers « le même chef » ou « une congrégation stable ». Il recommande du pain levé pour la liturgie laïque du Jeudi Saint afin de - je cite « être plus proche de la forme du pain ». Le diocèse de Graz recommande de célébrer au moins une messe de la Veillée pascale au lundi de Pâques. Le document souligne que la bénédiction de la nourriture de Pâques après la liturgie laïque est organisée par l'« équipe » de manière festive et de haute qualité - y compris les vêtements liturgiques, car (citation) : « La bénédiction de la nourriture de Pâques est pour beaucoup de gens la célébration de Pâques par excellence. »
Corpus Christi : Ministre laïc en aube, avec voile huméral et Ostensoir
Le document contient également une liturgie laïque du Corpus Christi avec une procession. Il recommande de faire venir une hostie consacrée pour l'ostensoir d'une paroisse voisine où une messe est célébrée à peu près au même moment. En ce qui concerne la procession, il est dit - citation : « Un ministre de la communion mandaté par l'évêque porte l'ostensoir et peut porter un vêtement liturgique (aube) et un voile huméral par-dessus ».
[Depuis Vatican II, tout ceci est normal : les prêtres font la foire et les laïcs deviennent prêtres ! C'est un renversement satanique, ni plus ni moins.]
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A Pâques - Liturgie laïque au lieu de la messe
Dans les diocèses germanophones, les liturgies laïques se multiplient - même pour les fêtes les plus importantes. Gloria.tv a appris que les croyants de plusieurs diocèses protestent à cause des paroisses où toutes les liturgies de Pâques sont présidées par des laïcs. Les liturgies pascales laïques semblent être populaires, surtout dans l'archidiocèse du cardinal Marx à Munich.
Autriche : Le diocèse de Graz est le pionnier
Le pionnier autrichien des liturgies laïques est le diocèse de Graz. En janvier, il a publié un document de 41 pages pour les liturgies laïques de Noël, de Pâques et de la Fête-Dieu. Dans sa préface, l'évêque Krautwaschl de Graz écrit que ces fêtes devraient avoir une - citation - « expression liturgique » dans chaque paroisse, même si - citation : « la forme complète habituelle de célébration » n'est pas possible. Mgr Krautwaschl présente le document comme quelque chose qui devrait être - citation : « développé » par l'usage quotidien.
Laïcisez Noël, mais une messe pour le jour de la Saint-Étienne
Le document veut que les liturgies laïques de Noël, de Pâques et de la Fête-Dieu soient préparées par une « équipe » avec (je cite) « un responsable ». Une attention particulière est accordée à la musique et au (je cite) « sermon ». Chaque paroisse est encouragée à choisir les vêtements liturgiques pour les « animateurs » de la liturgie. Le document explique qu'au lieu de la Messe de minuit et de la Messe du jour de Noël, des liturgies laïques peuvent être organisées. Cependant, dans ce cas, le jour de la Saint-Étienne, lorsque peu de personnes viennent à l'église, une Eucharistie doit être prévue.
Triduum laïc, mais messe le lundi de Pâques
Selon le document, l'unité du Triduum de Pâques est visible à travers « le même chef » ou « une congrégation stable ». Il recommande du pain levé pour la liturgie laïque du Jeudi Saint afin de - je cite « être plus proche de la forme du pain ». Le diocèse de Graz recommande de célébrer au moins une messe de la Veillée pascale au lundi de Pâques. Le document souligne que la bénédiction de la nourriture de Pâques après la liturgie laïque est organisée par l'« équipe » de manière festive et de haute qualité - y compris les vêtements liturgiques, car (citation) : « La bénédiction de la nourriture de Pâques est pour beaucoup de gens la célébration de Pâques par excellence. »
Corpus Christi : Ministre laïc en aube, avec voile huméral et Ostensoir
Le document contient également une liturgie laïque du Corpus Christi avec une procession. Il recommande de faire venir une hostie consacrée pour l'ostensoir d'une paroisse voisine où une messe est célébrée à peu près au même moment. En ce qui concerne la procession, il est dit - citation : « Un ministre de la communion mandaté par l'évêque porte l'ostensoir et peut porter un vêtement liturgique (aube) et un voile huméral par-dessus ».
[Depuis Vatican II, tout ceci est normal : les prêtres font la foire et les laïcs deviennent prêtres ! C'est un renversement satanique, ni plus ni moins.]
All the past V2 ultras (Netherlands) and present (Germany, Belgium) have seen the near death of Catholicism. V2 needs to go.
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I haven't broken away from the Church, Pattfm. It's the people who are denying the Pope who've broken away. Try harder for an argument, darling. You're way off your game today.
"It's the people who are denying the Pope who've broken away" -- Devil's mouthpiece @Ultraviolet
Francis is an Antichrist.
Our Lady of La Salette
“Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.”
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God.
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"It's the people who are denying the Pope who've broken away" -- Devil's mouthpiece @Ultraviolet
Francis is an Antichrist.
Our Lady of La Salette
“Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.”
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God.
Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
Francis is an Antichrist.
Our Lady of La Salette
“Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.”
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God.
Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
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If I am the Devil's mouthpiece Pattfm then you are the Devil's anus. While I may be motivated by pride, you produce only verbal dung: one accusation after another. All of them false.
Bold and red text doesn't make things true. You picked up that nasty habit from Thor.
Monkey-see, monkey-do. ;-)
"Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist."
That could just as easily refer to …More
If I am the Devil's mouthpiece Pattfm then you are the Devil's anus. While I may be motivated by pride, you produce only verbal dung: one accusation after another. All of them false.
Bold and red text doesn't make things true. You picked up that nasty habit from Thor.
Monkey-see, monkey-do. ;-)
"Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist."
That could just as easily refer to Vatican Council II which happened decades before Francis. According to Father Malachi Martin, the latter literally happened.
In terms of lasting, cumulative damage to The Catholic Church, Vatican Council II is without parallel. Pope Francis is, in fact, the end-result of it.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 is sufficiently vague it can be applied to many different situations, Galatians 1:8 doesn't apply at all. When Pope Francis presents a new account of Jesus' life, a gospel, then it may.
Until then, you're wrong as usual and you don't know what you're talking about as usual.
This subject doesn't really interest you and it shows.
That's why you're so easily beaten, Pattfm. What interests you is arguing, specifically arguing with me. By now you should recognize that will end badly for you as it always does.
It's a pity stupidity isn't painful, GTV would see much less of you.
Bold and red text doesn't make things true. You picked up that nasty habit from Thor.
Monkey-see, monkey-do. ;-)
"Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist."
That could just as easily refer to Vatican Council II which happened decades before Francis. According to Father Malachi Martin, the latter literally happened.
In terms of lasting, cumulative damage to The Catholic Church, Vatican Council II is without parallel. Pope Francis is, in fact, the end-result of it.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 is sufficiently vague it can be applied to many different situations, Galatians 1:8 doesn't apply at all. When Pope Francis presents a new account of Jesus' life, a gospel, then it may.
Until then, you're wrong as usual and you don't know what you're talking about as usual.
This subject doesn't really interest you and it shows.
That's why you're so easily beaten, Pattfm. What interests you is arguing, specifically arguing with me. By now you should recognize that will end badly for you as it always does.
It's a pity stupidity isn't painful, GTV would see much less of you.
All heresies including V2 will remain till the second coming of Christ. I am only gathering more treasures by showing it to the elect.
Francis is an Antichrist.
Our Lady of La Salette
“Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.”
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, …More
All heresies including V2 will remain till the second coming of Christ. I am only gathering more treasures by showing it to the elect.
Francis is an Antichrist.
Our Lady of La Salette
“Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.”
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God.
Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
Francis is an Antichrist.
Our Lady of La Salette
“Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.”
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God.
Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
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You may be showing things to the elect, but your obvious enjoyment in starting arguments shows you, personally, are not among them.
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Wolves devouring the sheep.
St Michael the Archangel defend us in battle
St Michael the Archangel defend us in battle
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Welcome to the spanking new Church of Bergoglio where the 10 divine commandments of God have been reduced to 7 just by getting rid of the bothersome and tedious 1st ,6th, and &7th ones.
All are welcome and mercy abounds [unless of course you address Mr Bergoglio in a manner he dislikes. A bit like Jim Jones if you ask me}
All are welcome and mercy abounds [unless of course you address Mr Bergoglio in a manner he dislikes. A bit like Jim Jones if you ask me}