A Faithful Doesn't Wear Mask, Priest Calls Police (Video)
Father Raymond Thomas of Our Lady of Peace parish, Ashtabula, Ohio, called the police because a parishioner, Patrick Ruane with his two-year-old son showed up for Mass without a mask. Ruane posted the …More
Father Raymond Thomas of Our Lady of Peace parish, Ashtabula, Ohio, called the police because a parishioner, Patrick Ruane with his two-year-old son showed up for Mass without a mask.
Ruane posted the filmed incident on FaceBook.com (June 1). The arriving policeman told him, “They are asking you to wear a mask to remain in the service. If you refuse to do so they are asking you to leave.”
Ruane replied, “You cannot force me to wear a mask, Father Thomas.” But the priest insisted.
The parishioner promises to leave but added, “Father you closed this church down for two months, and we couldn’t even kneel before the Lord in the Eucharist. Now I come here and you call the police.” Thomas ignored his words and repeated mechanically: “Please leave.”
The video shows how a nervous Father Thomas is constantly grabbing, adjusting, and rubbing his mask.
Would bishops and priests obey God's Commandments the way they obey the coronavirus regime, the Church's deadly crisis would be over within hours. …More
Ruane posted the filmed incident on FaceBook.com (June 1). The arriving policeman told him, “They are asking you to wear a mask to remain in the service. If you refuse to do so they are asking you to leave.”
Ruane replied, “You cannot force me to wear a mask, Father Thomas.” But the priest insisted.
The parishioner promises to leave but added, “Father you closed this church down for two months, and we couldn’t even kneel before the Lord in the Eucharist. Now I come here and you call the police.” Thomas ignored his words and repeated mechanically: “Please leave.”
The video shows how a nervous Father Thomas is constantly grabbing, adjusting, and rubbing his mask.
Would bishops and priests obey God's Commandments the way they obey the coronavirus regime, the Church's deadly crisis would be over within hours. …More
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This is disgusting.... The amount of blatant pandering to the government and abuse of your parish you show here is shameful, Father. You are a puppet and you have betrayed Our Lord. Sickening.
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So where is the "lie" (blatant or otherwise), @Be Ye Stupid? You haven't shown any falsehood, you fraud. All you've done is state the obvious IN ALL CAPS and then falsely claimed I've made "anti-Catholic" comments. None referenced, as usual.
You pulled this rhetorical trick often enough under your @Joseph a' Christian sock-puppet account. You're counting on casual readers taking YOUR lie (that …More
So where is the "lie" (blatant or otherwise), @Be Ye Stupid? You haven't shown any falsehood, you fraud. All you've done is state the obvious IN ALL CAPS and then falsely claimed I've made "anti-Catholic" comments. None referenced, as usual.
You pulled this rhetorical trick often enough under your @Joseph a' Christian sock-puppet account. You're counting on casual readers taking YOUR lie (that I"ve lied) at face value. There's some irony in this.
For something to be a "lie" it must contradict the truth. Here's where YOU need to compare and contrast the two. If you can't then your claim is a falsehood, told maliciously, and therefore (wait for it) a lie. ;-)
You pulled this rhetorical trick often enough under your @Joseph a' Christian sock-puppet account. You're counting on casual readers taking YOUR lie (that I"ve lied) at face value. There's some irony in this.
For something to be a "lie" it must contradict the truth. Here's where YOU need to compare and contrast the two. If you can't then your claim is a falsehood, told maliciously, and therefore (wait for it) a lie. ;-)
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Caught in one of your more blatant lies. @Ultraviolet The article is about a CATHOLIC CHURCH.
You spew out slanderous anti-Catholic comments, then you lie to defend your subversive work.
You spew out slanderous anti-Catholic comments, then you lie to defend your subversive work.
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...and today @Be Ye Stupid can't tell the difference between "churches" (specific venues) and "the Holy Church of Christ" (a religion). Attaboy, dim-wit.
In financial terms, Churches ARE like any other business. Some struggle financially and some are profitable. They are subject to boycotts by their consumers. At least 12,000 (That's twelve THOUSAND) churches in the US applied for loans under …More
...and today @Be Ye Stupid can't tell the difference between "churches" (specific venues) and "the Holy Church of Christ" (a religion). Attaboy, dim-wit.
In financial terms, Churches ARE like any other business. Some struggle financially and some are profitable. They are subject to boycotts by their consumers. At least 12,000 (That's twelve THOUSAND) churches in the US applied for loans under the Paycheck Protection Program from the (wait for it, you chump) the Small Business Association.
In financial terms, Churches ARE like any other business. Some struggle financially and some are profitable. They are subject to boycotts by their consumers. At least 12,000 (That's twelve THOUSAND) churches in the US applied for loans under the Paycheck Protection Program from the (wait for it, you chump) the Small Business Association.
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@Ultraviolet rants ridiculously that,
"Churches are like any other business. The management sets the venue policies. If the sign on the door says "Shoes and shirt required", then visitors must wear shoes and shirt."
No, the Holy Church of Christ is not like any other business.
"Churches are like any other business. The management sets the venue policies. If the sign on the door says "Shoes and shirt required", then visitors must wear shoes and shirt."
No, the Holy Church of Christ is not like any other business.
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So the article title and lead-in sentence aren't quite what happened at all.
The priest didn't just call the police "because a parishioner... showed up for Mass without a mask." The priest called the police because the parishioner REFUSED to wear a mask after being asked to AND, barring that, refused to leave. Repeatedly. So it wasn't just a case where Father Thomas got all cop-happy and hit …More
So the article title and lead-in sentence aren't quite what happened at all.
The priest didn't just call the police "because a parishioner... showed up for Mass without a mask." The priest called the police because the parishioner REFUSED to wear a mask after being asked to AND, barring that, refused to leave. Repeatedly. So it wasn't just a case where Father Thomas got all cop-happy and hit his 911 speed-dial the moment he spotted somebody mask-less.
The priest may only be following the orders handed down from the diocese. Some parish pastors are deeply, deeply unhappy with this situation -yet their oath of obedience compels them to follow the direction of their superiors on such matters.
But the culprit of this situation is Mr. Ruane himself. He had two options before the police were called. He refused both of them. Churches are like any other business. The management sets the venue policies. If the sign on the door says "Shoes and shirt required", then visitors must wear shoes and shirt. Masks are the same way now.
If Mr. Ruane doesn't want to wear a mask? Fine. That's his choice, but it is not his right. He has the right to somewhere else. He does NOT have the right to dictate his clothing choices as policy for the venue. That decision is the right of the venue's management.
If he feels his civlil/ religious rights have been impinged on, then he can go talk to an attorney. AFTER he leaves.
I'm not at all surprised it's a guy with a two-year old. There's a species of parent out there that loves using their toddlers as a justification to do whatever they please.
The priest didn't just call the police "because a parishioner... showed up for Mass without a mask." The priest called the police because the parishioner REFUSED to wear a mask after being asked to AND, barring that, refused to leave. Repeatedly. So it wasn't just a case where Father Thomas got all cop-happy and hit his 911 speed-dial the moment he spotted somebody mask-less.
The priest may only be following the orders handed down from the diocese. Some parish pastors are deeply, deeply unhappy with this situation -yet their oath of obedience compels them to follow the direction of their superiors on such matters.
But the culprit of this situation is Mr. Ruane himself. He had two options before the police were called. He refused both of them. Churches are like any other business. The management sets the venue policies. If the sign on the door says "Shoes and shirt required", then visitors must wear shoes and shirt. Masks are the same way now.
If Mr. Ruane doesn't want to wear a mask? Fine. That's his choice, but it is not his right. He has the right to somewhere else. He does NOT have the right to dictate his clothing choices as policy for the venue. That decision is the right of the venue's management.
If he feels his civlil/ religious rights have been impinged on, then he can go talk to an attorney. AFTER he leaves.
I'm not at all surprised it's a guy with a two-year old. There's a species of parent out there that loves using their toddlers as a justification to do whatever they please.