Roman Rite Communities Exempted from Traditionis Custodes
Francis has said that institutes such as the Fraternity of St Peter are “not affected” by the [invalid] general provisions of Traditionis Custodes, an official February 21 communiqué of the Priestly …More
Francis has said that institutes such as the Fraternity of St Peter are “not affected” by the [invalid] general provisions of Traditionis Custodes, an official February 21 communiqué of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter says.
The reason: The use of ancient liturgical books was at the origin of their existence and was provided for in their constitutions.
On February 4, two members of the Fraternity, Father Benoît Paul-Joseph, Superior of the District of France, and Vincent Ribeton, Rector of the Seminary of St. Peter in Wigratzbad, were received by Francis for almost an hour.
According to the communiqué the meeting “went well, in a very cordial atmosphere.”
Francis made them believe that he was “very impressed” by the approach of the founders of the Fraternity and their desire “to remain faithful to the [unfaithful] Roman Pontiff.”
He said that this gesture should be "preserved, protected and encouraged".
Subsequently, Francis sent a February 11 decree confirming for the members of …More
The reason: The use of ancient liturgical books was at the origin of their existence and was provided for in their constitutions.
On February 4, two members of the Fraternity, Father Benoît Paul-Joseph, Superior of the District of France, and Vincent Ribeton, Rector of the Seminary of St. Peter in Wigratzbad, were received by Francis for almost an hour.
According to the communiqué the meeting “went well, in a very cordial atmosphere.”
Francis made them believe that he was “very impressed” by the approach of the founders of the Fraternity and their desire “to remain faithful to the [unfaithful] Roman Pontiff.”
He said that this gesture should be "preserved, protected and encouraged".
Subsequently, Francis sent a February 11 decree confirming for the members of …More
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Francis allows Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter to continue celebrating exclusively in Tridentine Rite, exempting it from July decree curtailing use of the pre-Vatican II liturgy
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And how much fake news got posted around here claiming just the opposite, eh? This one claiming "Charlier has published accurate reports and predictions in the past. " and this one from “reliable and concordant sources.” and this one... and, and, and...as of this writing, they were all wrong then and they're all wrong now. All of them.
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@Chat Chartreux I'm not sure what you mean. The only "Roman Rite" community referenced in the article is the FSSP. Their status has always been clear. They are a Catholic priestly fraternity submissive to the Pope and in full communion with the Catholic Church.
Here I'm taking a certain glee in having my doubts proven correct. As shown by the three examples I linked, the only ones instilling fear …More
@Chat Chartreux I'm not sure what you mean. The only "Roman Rite" community referenced in the article is the FSSP. Their status has always been clear. They are a Catholic priestly fraternity submissive to the Pope and in full communion with the Catholic Church.
Here I'm taking a certain glee in having my doubts proven correct. As shown by the three examples I linked, the only ones instilling fear and doubt around here has been GTV's news team. For the better part of three months now, readers have been getting "news" filled with dire predictions of doom and gloom that simply haven't happened. I didn't believe they would happen, I expressed doubt that they would happen (and repeatedly), and I was correct in doing so. ;-)
Here I'm taking a certain glee in having my doubts proven correct. As shown by the three examples I linked, the only ones instilling fear and doubt around here has been GTV's news team. For the better part of three months now, readers have been getting "news" filled with dire predictions of doom and gloom that simply haven't happened. I didn't believe they would happen, I expressed doubt that they would happen (and repeatedly), and I was correct in doing so. ;-)
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I'm not debating with you. I'm expressing puzzlement. This article refers to only one "Roman Rite" community and their status within The Church is not in question.
Additionaly, this has nothing to do with Canon Law since the FSSP is not in violation of it.
Likewise, it appears that "faithful Catholics outside of the diocesan system" seems to be a contradiction in terms. How can one be faithful To …More
I'm not debating with you. I'm expressing puzzlement. This article refers to only one "Roman Rite" community and their status within The Church is not in question.
Additionaly, this has nothing to do with Canon Law since the FSSP is not in violation of it.
Likewise, it appears that "faithful Catholics outside of the diocesan system" seems to be a contradiction in terms. How can one be faithful To The Church and yet choose to be outside The Church's authority/ hierarchy? No matter. The FSSP are faithful Catholics and they remain within the diocesan system.
Even El Francesco noted "their desire “to remain faithful to the Roman Pontiff.”
"Calling them schismatics..."
I've called no one here anything of the sort. o.O in fact, your usage of the word, followed by my quotation of it, are the only instances of it appearing here.
The FSSP aren't schismatics and they're the only group the article explicitly discusses.
As for cruelty, why is it cruel to be gleeful at being right when false predictions turned out to be false?
I would think it's far more cruel to generate fear in GTV's readership by presenting empty, hysteria-driven predictions from questionable sources as "news".
Additionaly, this has nothing to do with Canon Law since the FSSP is not in violation of it.
Likewise, it appears that "faithful Catholics outside of the diocesan system" seems to be a contradiction in terms. How can one be faithful To The Church and yet choose to be outside The Church's authority/ hierarchy? No matter. The FSSP are faithful Catholics and they remain within the diocesan system.
Even El Francesco noted "their desire “to remain faithful to the Roman Pontiff.”
"Calling them schismatics..."
I've called no one here anything of the sort. o.O in fact, your usage of the word, followed by my quotation of it, are the only instances of it appearing here.
The FSSP aren't schismatics and they're the only group the article explicitly discusses.
As for cruelty, why is it cruel to be gleeful at being right when false predictions turned out to be false?
I would think it's far more cruel to generate fear in GTV's readership by presenting empty, hysteria-driven predictions from questionable sources as "news".
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@Cat Smith I agree with you! I don't have any doubts as to the lack of apostolic succession, but I do think the evil vatican may allow FSSP lee way since it is clearly an enemy of the "Old Tradition" and the FSSPX, and works diligently to undermine their works where ever they are allowed by the "Bishops!"
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" I’ve also heard of some pretty bad SSPX priests. Some of them even saying young earth is Protestant, despite the traditional prayers of the Church disagreeing.."
Oh noes... a disparaging comment about SSPX on GTV.
You keep this up you'll see Loads o' Bold, Unhappy Underlining, CAPS LOCK, Irritated italics, Ranty Red, and Yammering Yellow all descending upon your unsuspecting head with the …More
" I’ve also heard of some pretty bad SSPX priests. Some of them even saying young earth is Protestant, despite the traditional prayers of the Church disagreeing.."
Oh noes... a disparaging comment about SSPX on GTV.
You keep this up you'll see Loads o' Bold, Unhappy Underlining, CAPS LOCK, Irritated italics, Ranty Red, and Yammering Yellow all descending upon your unsuspecting head with the veritable Wrath of Lefebvre. ;-)
Oh noes... a disparaging comment about SSPX on GTV.
You keep this up you'll see Loads o' Bold, Unhappy Underlining, CAPS LOCK, Irritated italics, Ranty Red, and Yammering Yellow all descending upon your unsuspecting head with the veritable Wrath of Lefebvre. ;-)
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Being exempted from TC doesn’t mean that these communities will not be the targets of future administrative and legislative action. We’ve been anticipating it, in fact. Panic is not called for, but neither is optimism.
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"We’ve been anticipating it, in fact." Sure you have, you and Michael Charlier back from last December. Then it was January, then it was February, then it was going to happen in March, and now you're still anticipating it... "in fact"
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@Ultraviolet Ha! I leave prognostication regarding the dates of adverse action to no one but Joe Biden! This news is good, I will admit, but the FSSP is bigger than their attachment to the traditional liturgy, as their main mission is to provide traditional priestly formation, and, obviously, to be able to admit new members. When these issues are resolved positively, by the Congregation for Religious …More
@Ultraviolet Ha! I leave prognostication regarding the dates of adverse action to no one but Joe Biden! This news is good, I will admit, but the FSSP is bigger than their attachment to the traditional liturgy, as their main mission is to provide traditional priestly formation, and, obviously, to be able to admit new members. When these issues are resolved positively, by the Congregation for Religious, or whomever else, I might breathe a very small sigh of relief. Again, no timetable.
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Open ended prophecies are easy to make since they could always happen in the future, John. As GTV's Self-Appointed Official Seer, I'm an expert at such shenanigans. :D
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“In the course of the audience, the Pope made it clear that institutes such as the Fraternity of St. Peter are not affected by the general provisions of the Motu Proprio Traditionis Custodes...”
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Says a lot about the FSSP doesn't it?
Here is the decree
Decretum – FSSP
Decretum – FSSP
Terrible when we think this clarification is good, but it at least is better than what was offered in 1970 and is a relief even if only for some.
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My reaction was 'That's not good'. Why? Because there's bound to be an ulterior motive, even if it's only to cause more confusion. Frankly, I wouldn't put any faith in this necessarily being the same position in a month's time.
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I agree this is terrible. Anything coming from apostate Rome at this point reinforces the idea they have the authority to hold Catholics under obedience to their modernist front men and false religious principles!